PannySVHS

1 hour ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Agreed...except one of the best aspects of that lens is the fact that it's a pancake....on a stabilized camera, you can be on any street corner grabbing stellar footage while attracting no more attention than a tourist!...huge value in that stealth factor for me...I've actually contemplated the 14mm 2.5 Panny pancake for this very reason...they are tiny and optically excellent for the price!

I think for street photography I´d love to shoot with an Oly EM10 and the 14mm Panny lens. The autofocus of my 20mm is bugging me, manual focus is not

a pleasure neither. It has beautiful optics with cheap ergo and not pleasant tactile features. So the 20mm in the gestalt of a SLR Magic 12mm 1.6 would

be awesome. Would be my one and only lens if I had to choose.

@Mattias Burling, you hinted towards all of them being APS-C. So here comes my guess:

3rd one has a threedimensional look. Must be a Foveon camera just like in your video. So camera 3 is your 80 dollar Sigma DP camera, shot wide open.

Though you got very lucky with that price. Should get a Sigma DP Merrill some day or all three of em:)

Second one has harsh chroma. Would say the 500USD camera with a vintage 28mm 2.8 lens, also wide open.

First one is the 2000USD camera, maybe Leica M8 with a 35mm.

PS. The fixed Sigma lenses on their DP compact cameras are some of the best lenses one can find in the APS-C format.

Would be awesome to have the panasonic 20mm 1.7 pancake modded. Well, I couldnt afford it, but would love to see the result of such optical and mechanical beauty.

1 hour ago, Superka said:

I don't see any real reason to look at GH5 at all, when there are SONY a6300/6500. Bigger sensor, less noise, S-LOGs included, autofocus, and much cheaper. just for 10bit 4:2:2 400Mbit/s? Not for me.

8bit Sony will show artefacts quicker than GH5. Slog especially in that carnation will show artefacts quiet easily. Slog of external 422 8bit recording with the Sony FS700

shows banding and blotches pretty quick. 8bit and slog is kinda tricky.

Lens looking awesome. The Meteor zoom for the Krasnogorsk is much cheaper but not with that kind of image.

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

@Andrew Reid I do not like the new voting system. First of all it is very antagonistic, why do we have to down vote? It will increase hostilities into the forum I guess, and I can not see easily who is up voting/down voting. I strongly prefer the older system.

@Kisaha, @Andrew Reid, I second that. Doesn´t feel like good vibes!

@Grimor, nice edit and framing and pace, perspective. Nice job with the colors as well. What lenses did you use? Exellent choice of focal lenths! Great job!

Hey Glenn, @mercer, you must put Andrew at @Andrew Reid, so he can recognize your question better. I´m also very interested

in that question I takes quiet some practice to get smooth movements other than tilts n pans and 3 feet push ins with the GX85.

I´ve been practicing quiet a bit and it is kinda edgy. Using it with a cage and a rubber band, which helps a lot.

1 hour ago, mickachiste said:

Hi guys, with all the advices readen on this topic, here is my last work with the gx80. I hope you will enjoy ! Any feedbacks are very welcome... and I know there are still many things to work on ;-)

 

Hallo Mick, nice filming. The moody start at the beginning was in the known manner of such mood/people pieces,

nonetheless solid. Out of that I really liked the cheerful part with the youngsters having a great time at the beach- nice perspective and framing and focal length.

I really liked the energy of the surfing stuff. Maybe a little story or storyline would be nice to give it some narrative interest.

Something like preparation, collective cheering afterwards about the great surf moves. The music I found rather of the generic moody style, typical

modern video soundtrack style. Anyhow, good camera work and exiting surfing footage and filming!

1 minute ago, mercer said:

Seriously though, these past few months have been great for the indie filmmaker. Gotta love competition!!!

They filmed it in sLog. 

Yeah, great cams! If the C200 only had 2K 12 bit Raw in that 3:1 dataratio.

Slog- looks like it! Haha! Out of likes again. Gotta get to sleep now. Good night, bud!

10 minutes ago, vas said:

He said there is internal stabilization on the sensor side.

Haha, what´s up with the skintones of these two guys?

1 minute ago, Zak Forsman said:

That's good to hear. Definitely keeping an open mind. I've got a big four month job coming up that will finish in the fall, leaving me flush with cash for a new camera this fall.

Let´s get a poll started for your camera to buy! Will be a heck of beautiful VLOG colors without nasties

Just now, Zak Forsman said:

I was pretty excited that the C200 was offering compressed RAW, 15 stops of DR, and solid color science. buuuut there are a lot of compelling specs in the EVA. If they can truly attain Varicam color and 14+ stops of DR, i might be tempted. But I worry that 400mbps won't be enough. That's half what 10 bit ProRes 422 HQ would be at DCI 4K. 

Think Varicam LT has the same 400mbit codec, doesnt it? And its supposed to be pretty nice for lower framerates.

18 minutes ago, Geoff CB said:

I'm disappointed they didn't leave it Super 35 and just stick to the MFT mount. I'm guess others that have invested in panasonic glass may be having the same reaction right now...

Also, no Canon FD glass without cropping adapters But no more speedboosters necessary for that glorious S35 Look, Varicam sensor, awesome!

Also best light sensivity after Sony A7S, without the 8bit artefacts!

22 minutes ago, mercer said:

If they were to do that I think it would be in a DSLR/Hybrid format. This won't eat into their Pro Camcorder sales, but a $4000 version would. 

I predict that JVC will add internal Raw to the LS300 and it will look and work amazingly, and no one will care. 

LS300 with internal 2K RAW. Great idea. Instant buy!

36 minutes ago, mercer said:

Why have plans to output 5.7K Raw when it isn't outputting any Raw at release? Give use some 2K Raw up to 72/96 FPS.

 

Bummer!

29 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Because 5.7K raw onto SD cards is pretty difficult.

And the external recorders need to catch up and support 5.7K raw from the EVA1, no point having it in the camera yet if you can't record it.

So I suspect they bumped it down the priorities list a bit to finish the rest of the spec, as camera development does run to a tight timeframe and they do need to ship at some point.

The main thing about the EVA1 is that the codec isn't crippled like the FS5 and C200. You are getting a much higher-end codec to rival the FS7 / C300 II in a camera which will be priced at the FS5 and C200 level with their sucky codecs.

The only thing the C200 has over the EVA1 is AF and CFast (for raw). The rest of the spec falls short. But we'll see what they are like in the real world and not just on paper.

Would 400mbit be enough for 2K raw at 24p? That would be about 2Megabyte per 2K frame. Should be enough regarding writing speed onto SD cards.

FS7 has only around 240mbps for internal 4K. On paper, with internal 2K Raw, the EVA1 aka Varicam Mini would be a lovely dream to dream about upgrading

from a Lumix G6. Without 2K Raw I will never be able to choose between this and the C200 and will have to stay a Lumix filmer

22 hours ago, jonpais said:

Automatic shutter? Do you mean you're shooting video using aperture priority? I'm seeing this on my iPhone, but it looks underexposed. Is this straight out of the camera?

Hey Jon! Yes aperture priority due to the quick approach. It was an exercise for the director, the actors and me.

Pans, tilts and some push ins/outs involved with my rubberband GX85 rig in uncontrolled light. I just wanted to illustrate quickly, that GX85

does produce nice color even with underexposed daylight shots at ISO 1250. It is a good camera for good 8bit color.

22 hours ago, mercer said:

That's 1080p? That looks fantastic Marty!!! Is this CineLikeD?

Hey Glenn, thank you very much! I was going for the skintones and more sublte hues and tones this time.

1080p at ISO 1250. Will post the video, once edited and if actors agree. Not CineD but Natural with Contrast and Color at 0. Graded with five nodes.

Just wanted to approve, that GX85 has nice colors and to show off the well discussed approach to stay at 0 for contrast and color and not to choose

to flatten the profile. Just like Noam Krolls approach for Cine D with contrast at 0.

21 hours ago, mercer said:

Haha, Jon... seriously I didn't read your comment before I commented. It may not be CineLikeD. It could definitely be standard. I have always been a fan of the way Marty colors his videos. He gets some deep shades. 

Honestly I am sorry I even brought up CineLikeD settings and exposure. I prefer to underexpose by a 1/3 a stop. Your stuff looks good ETTRd so in the end it doesn't matter. I don't even own a Panasonic camera anymore... so who cares what I think. 

You are right, Glenn, it´s not Cine D but Natural. My point was GX80 shows off nice colors at contrast and color at 0. Thank you for your appreciation.

21 hours ago, jonpais said:

I do care what you think, I like the colors as well, the skin tones look great (but like I said, I'm viewing it on my iPhone), but I'm wondering whether this is SOOC or graded. 

Jon, it´s graded, filmed in Natural at 0 for contrast and color following your and the other guys´approach to honour the 8bit and not going too flat Thanks for bringing

that approach up and for giving some more very interesting points about feeding the sensor with plenty light and not to worry blown out parts in meaningless parts of the image.

4 hours ago, tonysss said:

My GX80 has better colors than my GH5 :-(

 

Would he still hack? Recording time restriction? GX80 Cine D hack Works super ! Thank you.

GX85 has nice colors for sure. Shot this footage with contrast and saturation at 0, -3sharp, -5noise, in 1080p with automatic shutter and -1/3stop ,

oh, and accidentally with ISO 1250

1 hour ago, stephen said:

IMHO you can't go wrong with Canon FD 28 f2. Recently tested my manual lens collection. Among them several 28mm including Canon FD 28 f2. To my surprise it turned to be quite good. Sharp in the center from wide open, corner were also sharp from f2 and improve a little when stopping the lens.  And it is quite affordable compared to Zeiss 28 f2 "Hollywood" which is one of the other options.

But if you shoot full frame or s35 with Speed Booster, 28mm are used mostly for scenery. And in this case you usually stop it down to @f5.6 or even @f8.  One stop advantage over your current one doesn't matter.

Canon FD 28 f2 make sense if you use it without speed booster on s35. It becomes something like 42mm equivalent on full frame at f2.8. And this focal length makes much more sense when shooting people and was favorite of some well known DPs, Deakins among them. In this case you could use DOF creatively and f2 vs f2.8 is desirable advantage.  

Hallo Stephen, I´m using my lenses on s35, that is speed boosted m43. So having that f2 over f2.8 is indeed the desirable advantage I am looking for.

Looking out for a Canon FD 28 f2 now.

5 hours ago, tupp said:

Could you go for a 25mm, f1.4 lens, and just crop-in a little and stop down?

 

If so, consider the $50 APS-C lens reviewed here.

Great link and read. On m43 that lens would be more narrow than a 28mm on a focal reducer. C-mount wouldnt allow speed booster. I don´t know, if it would cover "native" s35mm.

Thank you for the article. It was a great read!

13 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

Love the C/Y Zeiss, the 28/2.8 is something special, its not 2.0, but its awfully sharp at 2.8, and Zeiss glass usually has better transmission than others at the sam aperture. The Hollywood 28/2 is even better, but that comes at a cost. The Nikon is nice too, but you get the wonky focus rings the go the wrong way. Right now all my MF glass is C/Y, but I love the Zeiss look. Cheers

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Pentax-Asahi-Opt-Co-SMC-1-2-28-Lense-/201935691383?hash=item2f044e1e77:g:654AAOSw5cRZJbVB

The "Hollywood" Pentax went through the roof again!

There was a revised Pentax M version, I missed on bidding, which is even supposed to be better:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Pentax-M-28mm-f-2-manual-focus-lens-/272666168356?hash=item3f7c2b8c24%3Ag%3ArMcAAOSwKytZE1WS&nma=true&si=ksloQ3AY4H%2FmrNJTL3jOHqMZL%2FY%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

This would have been the perfect 28mm luxury bargain, 250 USD only!

Does anybody have experience with this carnation of the Zeiss/ Pentax "Hollywood"?

25 minutes ago, mercer said:

I had the Tokina 35mm f/2 which Soligor also rebranded. If the 35mm is any indication, then the 28mm Soligor should be a treat. 

Darn! Missed an auction today. It sold with an 28-70 2.8-4.2 Macro and a 70 to something zoom for less than 35 USD.

Was messing around researching for it too much!

I think I will have to wait to pick another one up for that cheap!

6 hours ago, mojo43 said:

Canon FD 28mm F2.0 used to be my go to lens. Nice colour and pretty sharp. The vivitar is also nice, but not sharp at f2.

Great. I think I gonna give that beauty a try. Maybe the best bargain 28 F2 of the better quality ones, I would assume.

FD glass is pretty awesome!

46 minutes ago, robbino said:

Tried CineD using 0,-5,-5,-5 and then applied the free LUT from Noam Kroll, very nice results to my very untrained eye.

Yes, it´s Noams CineD setting. I think it follows the right "philosophy". So you´re shooting Cine D on a GX85? Wanna show

some test footage with and without Noams Lut? One of the videos successfully showing off Cine D vs other profiles is this one.

It uses good exposure, good white balance, good light and none of that bad grading, just well shot footage for comparison.

This is the first video, which shown me the benefits of Cine profile.

My Kiron has a serial number starting with 7. It is Kiron/Kino made. Maybe the Komine made version is better.

There are not that many 1 on 1 full resolution comparisons between these differently made lenses. Pentaxforums has been a nice source of information to me.

For now, I will sell my Kiron and be happy with my FD 28 2.8 until that Pentax 2.0 crosses my way:) Or get a 28mm 2.0 Canon FD soon.

@Mattias Burling, did you ever get your hands around a Soligor 28 2.0? They are supposed to be made by Tokina and different from their Kiron counterpart,

which is very soft and CA loving to my testing, about as good at 4.0 as Canon FD wide open at 2.8!

18 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Ive always loved the Voigtlander 28mm f2.

Hey Mattias! Thats an M-mount lens? A bargain for Leica lovers then:)

16 minutes ago, Gregormannschaft said:

Ah, good point! Living in a full frame bubble. There's a lot of new lens brands popping up with interesting AF-less options. Here might be a good place to talk about a few of them.

Great suggestion of yours: 35mm 2.0 on full frame! A 28mm F2.0 on speedboosted m43 would be like 39mm F2.0 on full frame! Close enough I would say!