PannySVHS

10 hours ago, Grimor said:

Leica 12-60 has a new firmware with improved stabilization and focus. (maybe less jitter?)

http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/index2.html

I can do slow pan test with G85 if needed.

Wow, this is awesome! EOSHD community supporting one another! Slow pan and quick one, one on fore,-middle- and one on background!

Now I am getting greedy. With IBIS, with DualIS, one without. Hot darn, Grimor, you must be very brave to offer this!:)

Anyhow, would be great as you like. Awesome. Thanks!

I wrote SD card, panning speed, etc. are sorted out as faulty parameters due to fast card, slow panning speed, with and without IBIS still worse than Lumix G6, etc.

That makes encoder and other parameters left for consideration. I´ve read the linked thread. My SD card is a Samsung EVO UHS-I Class 10, model MB-SP32D.

With HD and 4K pans having the same jitter problem, it´s not a writing speed related issue.

Its write speed is at least 19 Megabytes/ 150 Mbits per second, so plenty for HD and enough for 100mbit which UHD barely reaches.

Jonpais has provided his first experience doing a well executed test. Thanks again, Jon! More GX and G85 users might chim in as well. cheers

4 hours ago, jonpais said:

@PannySVHS Here are a few slow and fast pans I just did in the alley.

 

Holy Spaghettoni! Thank you very much, Jon! This is a great test and i can see jitter. It is less than the jitter in my pans. That´s due to your awesome 12mm Leica lens:) and

the distance between the camera and the buildings. It would be much stronger, if about 3 to 6 foot away from the stores. GH5 seems to have the same problem as

seen in the videos above. Jon, what´s your conlusion to your test? Thanks a lot again. Watched your Leica Nocti vid again on this occasion:)

Color lookin very nice!

6 hours ago, meanwhile said:

It really would help people help you if you give more details.

 

I did. Please see my previous comments in this thread: I´m doing slow movement, tracking works fine, etc. Also the GH5 videos are illustrating the issue, providing all infos to exclude testers faults.

7 hours ago, jonpais said:

I can't even make a steady slider shot, but I'll try to do some panning shots this morning.

Awesome. Thank you very much! Though people will wonder why you won´t consider them worthy enough of being filmed, Jon: "Get outta here, I need me some store fronts and brick walls!":)

13 minutes ago, robbino said:

Some suggestions over in this forum post that might help

Thanks. Unfortunately that post does not reveal a solution. @jase, @John Matthews, @Jan G, Maybe some avid GX85 filmers could chim in on this. Already wrote Jonpais,

if he could check if his G85 would have the same issue. Hopefully not, of course!

So, 7second rule, SD card, calm hand and strong stance, with and without IBIS, etc. didnt matter to the Studder/Flicker/Jitter.

By the way, cuz this is getting exhausting, here is a beautiful video I found in the GX85 thread, when looking for avid GX shooters. Awesome vid,

with beautiful ooc color, from Jan Groenewoud (Jan G). So I think I need a break from jitter judder and rather watch this beautifully filmed vignette.

2 hours ago, mercer said:

Also remember to use a strap, keep it taut with your elbows to your side and turn your waist not your arms. It's a good ab workout too. 

I have a nifty setup, rubber bands on my cage and backpack straps:)

Seriously, it might be an issue with the encoder in 4K. Haven´t compared HD and 4K yet.

Looking at this video, pans with a GH5 without ibis. Jitter! GH5 shows it in this video and test.

In this second test, they recorded externally to a Shogun, issue still there:

Color is astonishing in these samples. Video has some awesome color too.

Ouch, flange distance alert:) I could use it on a china booster for m43. Another 100 bucks, oh well, it will have to wait:)

You might wanna get the Minolta 35-70mm 3.5 Macro, version 3. It is supposed to be an exellent vintage buy. Get em while it´s affordable. Version 3 is important, like the one on the picture.

Here is an awesome read about it from lens afficiando Phillip Reeve:

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/minolta-md-zoom-35-70mm-3-5-review/

Hey kids,

2nd teaser, GX85, profile natural cont+col at 0, noise at -5, sharp at -2.

HD 24p. Unlit footage, heavily graded. Shot with 12mm SLRMagic. Mechanically this is a beautiful marvel for handheld shooting.

Sharp enough at 2.8, shot at f2.

Hey Glenn, 100% d´accord:) Back2Basics sounds great. Up to Matt. Using a zoom, awesome. Got my Tokina 28-70 2.6, Nikon mount, boosted on my EF booster.

Helluva awesome lens, beautiful image, no sweat wide open. Optically it is much better than my 24-40 2.8. Sorry to have to say. Didn´t your GAS lead you to that tasty 28-70?

Well, this lens is a real beauty, brushing it off of dust every day:)

@meanwhile Thanks. The G85 had real troubles before the firmware update. I have a GX85 though:), with updated FW. The GX didnt have these troubles though.

@meanwhile, thanks for testing.

I just tested panning without IBIS. It seems it is pretty much the same mess.

What works very well are tracking movements, vertical and horizontal, are without jitter, even faster ones!

Anybody willing to do a test as well and maybe post a short vid?

Of either GX85 and G85. I don´t mean a pan, which follows a moving subject/object.

What´s meant is a pan over a nonmoving background/object, which is entering one side of the frame and leaving to the other side by panning over it with the camera.

@Hene1, your video looks awesome, exellent color work! Is all the footage done with the NX1?

@MKSN, Thanks to your post I found Hene1´s settings in the NX1 section. Straight forward: "Normal Gamma, 0-255, Standard picture mode (0.95x green, -10 sharpness)"

Doing it with my camera is a mess. Never had these problems with my Panny G6.

Hallo guys!

I am in the preparation a little shortfilm and want to shoot handheld. The GX85 is an interesting prospect. Nice ooc color, really great color by grading it.

The IBIS is great except from one thing, where it is not usuable to me at all.

It´s a great mess when panning over an inanimate background. Panning slowly with 20, 28, 35mm, same problem, really nasty jitter.

Following moving subjects is fine, since the subject is kept within the frame. But as soon as I want to to a pan over non moving objects, entering one side of the

frame and leaving to the other, JITTERRRRR! That jitter should be a headline for legimate clickbait, other than classic clickbait headlines!:) It is awful.

My question goes to GX85 and G85 shooters, if the have similar problems with panning over non moving objects/backgrounds/subjects?

Might it be a specific GX85 problem, might there be a cure for it. Is the G85 without this problem or is it a general problematic occurance with Panny IBIS?

Your help is greatly appreciated, as this is driving me nuts. The short has only a short time window as always with super small scale non budget fictional efforts.

Thank you!

cheers, Marty

Awesome idea, you guys, Matt and Glenn! Perfect little manifesto below. Deal!

We could open a thread for this and for discussing ideas, for questions and support.

You guys would come up with the name and would be posting the manifesto/rules below.

I think something like this might sound cool, after it took me 5mins to write it:)

" -- GH2 and friends -- THE ULTIMATE EOSHD GLORIOUS 8bit COLOR shortfilm challenge -- Open til 12-31"

4 hours ago, mat33 said:

I had originally envisaged keeping it to older cameras like GH1/2/3 to help resist the urge that you need the updated colour/IBIS/4K etc of a newer camera. But its all meant to be fun so not too worried if the GX85 or others are included or not. If they are, they should be shot in 1080p and with the internal 8bit codec-could well be interesting to compare the GX85 1080p to the older cameras.  How about this:

The Back to the Future challenge

-3 to 5 minute short by end of year with as many submissions as you like

-any genre allowed

-No 4K

-All footage to be captured in 1080p and 8bit

-Extra kudos for the older cameras and the less gear that is used

 

 

59 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Beautiful skin tones, nice lighting, pleasing shallow depth of field, good performance - and if that's AF, it's awesome that it doesn't hunt back and forth once it locks on. Still wish I could find one of these in Vietnam.

Absolutely! Would be nice, if Andrew would have a chance to revise this camera. It has an awesome, unique look. How awesome would it be

to see a comparison with your Fuji XT2!:)  G85 cannot compete in the ooc color department.

23 minutes ago, Ivanhurba said:

Bring the short film now, man!

Now I got it: "Bring it on", Kirsten Dunst. I love her. I got baited beyond the level I could have assumed by the movie "Bring it on":)

8 hours ago, jcs said:

Looks great, thinking what the dialog might be... SATT: Shaving, A Trial of Thought. VO in gruff voice: "Man. I've got to shave. But how? A razor? Then I'll need shaving cream. Too Messy. Too complicated. Something simpler maybe. Electric razor? Charging. Where to get power? Too complicated. Maybe I'll just grow a beard." END.

Here's something to click which inspired the dialog just from watching the ads (didn't buy it, but who needs it, right?  ): https://www.masterclass.com/classes/aaron-sorkin-teaches-screenwriting

Maybe not, duh. This is not a movie about beards, it is about Panny 8 bit HD.

I have to learn more how to clickbait. I think I could learn it from this interesting masterclass, you have been a testimonial for  

22 minutes ago, mercer said:

Sure that sounds good and should we include that if anyone else wants to join, then they at least have to shoot in 1080p? Or do we want to limit this to GH1/GH2/GH3?

Yeah, the 5D3 is just like nothing else I've ever used and it's probably the easiest camera to shoot with and grade. The conversion process can be a little tedious but there are ways around that now. I hope the GH2 is all I think it will be. If not, it's my own fault and I'll have to work on those things I feel are lacking. 

Would join in.

-Panasonics: GH1,2,3 and G3,5,6 and GF1,2,3 and GM1,5 and GX7.

-Canon DSLRs in h264

-Nikon DSLRs

-Olympus DSLMs

None of the 4K bunch. No fixed lens ones.

-one exception: GX85 in HD mode, because it would be awesome to have a legit short film with it. Plus I might shoot mine with it. Oh well

Hey people!

the way to avoid clickbait ist to engage in the attempt of creating it a way too much. That way people

will get annoyed hopefully. Unless the psychology behind different strategies is much trickier. I think it is.

Dataminers will give clues to content shitters how to bait for clicks even with the most stupidest shit.

So the best data analysis and realization will allow for successful clickbaiting.

Duh, that is obvious common sense, you say. Well you still clicked this topic and language and social behaviour analysis will put this into context as well.

So one needs to be so cheesy in clickbaiting that it only attracts people nobody can make an immorally earned dollar with.

Here it goes my cheesy clickbaiting, which I am not making a dollar with. Tata, check out my 8bit GX85 unlit footage, only brittle HD. Isn´t that still looking kinda cool?

Isn´t that a good reason to not to get baited by techsites and their clickbait headlines and to realize how awesome cameras have become.

Is it weird that I keep going forward and backward with my thread and topic? Well, sometimes it is just so much fun to engage in a conversation with you guys.

Because you rock. And because you deserve yourself your own little bit of clickbait. But only a little bit. Just like mine. Now for the fourth time on EOSHD. Dadaaaaa, video!

The music is awesome for granted

Quiete interesting. I dropped by this thread because it´s from Mattias. Sometimes I just like to read the mellow down to earth stuff from people I like.

Then I saw, Fuzzy wrote something. And I feel like I want to engage in a conversation. So I just did. This site allows and even more promotes that.

Even though, you suckers didnt click my bait, you sons n daughties of bitches! You know how much I love to talk Panny Lumix 8bit stuff

Lookin great! I dig Natural profile as well, due to lack of CineD,V, shooting with -5sharpening and NR, -2 or 0 color and contrast. Interesting that you left sharpness on.

Nice look and video!

Ah, shot 3. Will you revise the camera? This filmmaker has really put other cameras to shame with his NX1 and a lot of NX1 shooters even more.

It was shot with the native premium zoom, which NX1 lovers seem to cherish a lot: