Don Kotlos

@Kisaha After taxes thats half an house per year for you  

But in all seriousness, living in a big city in the US for example can be expensive. It depends of course on anyone needs, but for a family of 4 $100-150K sounds about right.  

Yeah I think almost anyone that shoots personal stuff & really wants to enjoy the process, adopts a style like this. So I wouldn't describe it as a "guerrilla style" cause it implies harsh conditions but more like a banal or casual style  

@jhnkng  Great colors at your site. Especially with your son and the 53years. 

@HockeyFan12 Just out of curiosity what forums are these? 

2 hours ago, mercer said:

Any chance of persuading Olympus to include 24p Raw video in the E-M5 III? Even ProRes Raw at 1080p or 2K would be pretty epic with their superior IBIS.

That would be amazing. After that the only thing that needs to be addressed with E-M5III is the audio preamps. 

Ok back to the subject here is a review from Chris and Jordan for DPReview! DPReview is lucky to have them. Congrats to @Jordan Drake

Excellent work Oliver. I was wondering why one of the ladies was almost left ungraded but it made sense once I finished the clip  

Other that the colors there was some nice footwork as well. 

2 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said:

Arguing over which camera is best these days isn't even worth the debate. 

Wish we could keep this as a motto for this forum. It would make this place more pleasant and then we could spend a bit more time discussing actual cinematography  

Looks great @Snowbro 

I think in most cases it is a wise decision to stay with what someone already has and wait for something better to arrive  

Also since the build quality between the 1dxii and the a7* is not even close, in harsh conditions makes sense to have the most durable equipment. Add the fact that you use 4K 60p... 

@Gregormannschaft

There are 3 ways of getting this:

1. With a lens that has an internal or external servo. A couple of examples are the Sonys FE PZ 28-135 or the Sony E PZ 18-105. They are usually parfocal, but  a very good AF should work as well. The external servo lenses are expensive! 

2. Manual zooming potentially with a follow-focus mechanism attached to the zoom ring. It is not very easy to get the same smoothness as with the servo. 

3. Digital zoom. Sony has even a Clear image zoom function that you can get smoothly get with a cheap remote. With A7rII I could get a 2X magnification and you can do even more in post if you start from a 4K footage. Of course this will give you the worse IQ and the zoom range is limited, but it is the cheapest way to get smoothness. 

@salim I thought Greentoe was some seller on fredmiranda but I just found this post about the marketplace. I bought directly from a seller at fredmiranda and did not use Greentow sorry for the confusion. 

13 hours ago, salim said:

On fred miranda, I learned about Greentoe and some people told me they got their A7Riii for about $3-400 below MSRP.

Yep thats how I got an "open box" one for $2750 that had 3 shutter actuations. Like in your excellent examples the extra resolution is very useful for landscapes or even cropping and to me worth the extra money compared to the deals you can get right now on the A7rIII. But it is also true that 24MP should be plenty enough for most and the extra resolution can bog down the computer. I wish Sony would implement some version of downsampled RAWs. 

LCD should be much better as well offering better resolution & brightness without any dimming. I am not sure about the color .. 1080p should have less aliasing artifacts than the A6500 .

11 minutes ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

So I can throw my Sony 10-18 crop sensor lens on to the a7R III and be good to go???

And would that give me any real world benefit over my a6500 with 10-18???

Yes, and with A7rIII you would have a vastly better rolling shutter performance compared to the A6500. 

Dynamic range should be about the same. 

The S35 mode in A7rIII offers better resolution (less aliasing/moire) & ~25% faster rolling shutter. 

IMHO the new generation of Sony cameras A7III/A7rIII/A9 are significantly better than their predecessors in every way possible. So I would suggest people keep their mind open and avoid propagating false information unless they have direct experience. 

That being said, the experience at least when shooting pictures is very different between a DSLR and a mirrorless. I still find the OVF a pleasure to use but only when there is enough light. When things become a bit darker the EVF is far ahead. Tracking should be faster in the 1DXii, but if you shoot prortraits/people then the Eye/Face detect is very useful. The other advantage of any mirrorless is shooting with the LCD which is still clunky with most DSLRs. 

On the video side, sure the AF of the 1Dxmkii will be better but the newer Sonys are actually very close. The IBIS is the major factor that drove me to mirrorless really. Having the ability to stabilize any lens makes shooting so much more enjoyable as well. I also find the colors of the new Sony cameras very good. To my eye after you play around a bit with the settings they can definitely be better than Olympus/Nikon/Panasonic. 

If you have the money, I would suggest to rent on for few days. You might like it or hate it and it can save you quite a bit of money in the long run. 

1 hour ago, Gregormannschaft said:

Thinking about selling my A7S2 for this. I'd get around 1700€, which means I'd be spending around 500€ for a whole host of improvements. Are there any major downsides to doing this?

Other than the imminent release of A7sIII ? 

Joking aside, it seems the only real downside is the excessive noise reduction at higher ISOs with gammas different than slog as illustrated in the video that @Simon Young posted. 

Other than that I believe you will be very satisfied. 

As much as I would like to see an XC10 with a removable lens, given the 1" sensor size I think they took the right decision. Where they messed up was the slow variable aperture. They should have traded range for speed. 

For any potential interchangeable lens version of the XC series to work, they need to use at least a S35 sensor.  

There is one dial at the front. Since I didn't spot anything in the menus, I am guessing for the time being it is just for the aperture. 

2 hours ago, Coiii said:

Hey guys! Can anyone please help me with this. I've never been fan of the Sony color science, but I just remembered that in the EOSHD review of the A7RIII, Andrew mentioned that the new HLG color profiles are a lot better than the previous cameras, and almost fixed the "Sony color science"

Since the A7III has the same HLG color profiles, where can I find some good examples of the new color profiles? Anyone has a good example? Or maybe a comparison between cameras? I want to check the new profiles because I'm tempted for the A7RIII (or A7III) as a video/photo hybrid.

In my experience you can get better results with the cine gammas + the pro/cinema/sgammut3.cine gammuts than the HLG+rec2020. As scotchtape & Robert already mentioned, try playing around a bit and you can make the colors look as you want. 

After moving from A7rii to A7riii, there is a significant improvement in color even with the same video profile settings. Even the default jpeg profiles look better than they used to. Sony finally started paying attention to color, and they even released the FS5II with better color being the only real improvement. Adobe has also improved their color with Lightroom. I like this direction!

@Simon Young That was a nice illustration of the NR + ghosting. Wish companies would allow turning off any kind of in-camera processing other than basic color calibration and pixel remapping + allowing for LUTs. At least Slog2 looks good so everyone should use slog2 in low light... 

@Trek of Joy Is that correct for the LCD display brightness of A7iii? It doesn't look like it is dimming as the older models, and if did then it would be a dealbreaker for many. 

16 hours ago, Axel said:

If you are tuned into the BM user mindset, you witness parallel efforts of Son, Pan, Can with serenity. So they found another smart gimmick to free you from the burden of having  to do something manually? Damn amazing indeed!

Having total control is a very different experience indeed and a very pleasurable as well, but there are times that I appreciate technology (like AF or smooth AE with ISO) which actually allows me to enjoy the moment instead of focusing all my effort into getting the shot. I am pretty sure many would have an issue with the old hand crank, even though at times it would be fun to use   . But I agree with you there are going to be plenty of pocket returns because of its "incoveniences". The remaining bunch are going to be pretty happy though. 

@hijodeibn Chill. 

2 hours ago, DaveAltizer said:

I talked to a rep about the olpf at NAB and they said that they tend to not put filters on their cameras and if they do its always minor because they are obsessed with image quality. Kind of a shame in terms of IR pollution. I remember having to put my Hoya IR cut filter on every freaking lens I owned because the original pocket had such bad IR pollution. I think this cam will have the same issue. 

I am wondering about the relationship between color and IR filter and whether their claim is correct. I can imaging wavelengths close to IR can help with warming up the shadows and improving the skin tonalities. In your experience did you have a problem when not using an ND filter? Here is a comparison of the URSA:

http://www.thehurlblog.com/what-is-ir-pollution-and-how-do-you-combat-it-tiffen/

In my opinion with cameras that have baked-in sharpening & contrast, the sharpest, cleanest, most flare-resistant lenses, usually give the worst results.  

25 minutes ago, sam said:

They are from a corporate videographers gh5, who claims the gh5 "smokes" the C500.  And for him it probably does. Less weight, hassle ect...

My best guess is that he was smoking something while making assertions like this: 

"IMO, The Gh5 (even before the "s" model, SMOKES the C500." 

Daniel Peters compares the dynamic range and comments on the rolloff of GH5/GH5s/A7III/UMP:

A used 5Dmkii/iii is a very good choice, since you can enjoy photography as well and with ML they can give some really excellent results.

But as a FF user I can tell you that sensor size is not important for video. That super shallow DoF is nice, but in my opinion overused and pain to actually work with if want things in focus  . Moreover there are plenty of fast lenses for smaller format cameras that can give a shallow enough DoF. DSLR APS-C models from canon can give you similar results at an even smaller price point. If RAW is your thing then the pocket v1, or preferably the v2 with 4K if you can wait, are a great choice as well. 

If I were you, I would get something dirt cheap to play around until the pocket v2 is available ...