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If this model retains at least a decent 10-bit 4K mode of some description, and vlog, well Canon could be a little sore after the R5 debacle 😅
https://www.l-rumors.com/confirmed-panasonic-will-soon-announce-the-new-s5-entry-level-full-frame-l-mount-camera
I do wonder what this means for a GH6, if there is still one in the works or if full-frame is pretty much the Pana roadmap now...
All the S5 needs really is to be a lighter, stabilised run and gun with their solid 150mbps 4k 10-bit and it'll sell a bunch.

Wow this is crazy. Great report Andrew. Thor would be envious of this incredible cripple hammer.

It's possible they set the time limits in firmware as an ultra-conservative "make sure it doesn't burn out" cut off, based on a worst case scenario... it's the kind of thing these large corporations do.

Quite why you wouldn't just design it well like the A7S iii though, I don't know. I think this is irreparable brand damage for this market sector.

It's possible they set the time limits in firmware as an ultra-conservative "make sure it doesn't burn out" cut off, based on a worst case scenario... it's the kind of thing these large corporations do.

Quite why you wouldn't just design it well like the A7S iii though, I don't know. I think this is irreparable brand damage for this market sector.

So I know they were saying "FX9 colour, everything is fine now" but I watched this official video and her skin is doing the "Sony thing", jumping from yellow, to magenta, to magenta blotches in low light.

I guess I'll have to try one out and see how it is IRL, but this doesn't fill me with confidence...
The initial shot is nice, but the blue light ones she is blue and magenta, in blotches, the tunnel ones she is yellow...

I don't know what's at play here, ISO colour shift, how the sensor reacts to different lights (it seems to be having a horrible time with bluer than daylight and those tunnel lights, which are probably fluros) but it's not a good advert for the camera.
In the Kitchen video there's also some weird stuff going on with the tungsten lights going very yellow too.
 

Big brain time should tell you if a heavy grade doesn't balance out skin tones then the color science captured is a hot mess.
Resolve is great but not all footage should have to be FIXED to the extent Sony's have to be fixed. 

Different lighting, different grading.... hard to tell if its the camera, the white balance choices or the grade choice...  
On a side note, I like the videos from the Sony A7s more than from the Canon.  Not on an image point of view, more just for checking video themselves.  I felt with Canon, all I saw were vloggings talking with some footage thrown in.  I saw one video on a beach that looked great,  and DpReview did one with the R6, but compared to videos linked here, its all talk talk talk I've seen with Canon videos.  
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, or maybe no one has been able to keep the Canon cameras on long enough to make a decent video out of the footage.

So I know they were saying "FX9 colour, everything is fine now" but I watched this official video and her skin is doing the "Sony thing", jumping from yellow, to magenta, to magenta blotches in low light.

I guess I'll have to try one out and see how it is IRL, but this doesn't fill me with confidence...
The initial shot is nice, but the blue light ones she is blue and magenta, in blotches, the tunnel ones she is yellow...

I don't know what's at play here, ISO colour shift, how the sensor reacts to different lights (it seems to be having a horrible time with bluer than daylight and those tunnel lights, which are probably fluros) but it's not a good advert for the camera.
In the Kitchen video there's also some weird stuff going on with the tungsten lights going very yellow too.
 

So I know they were saying "FX9 colour, everything is fine now" but I watched this official video and her skin is doing the "Sony thing", jumping from yellow, to magenta, to magenta blotches in low light.

I guess I'll have to try one out and see how it is IRL, but this doesn't fill me with confidence...
The initial shot is nice, but the blue light ones she is blue and magenta, in blotches, the tunnel ones she is yellow...

I don't know what's at play here, ISO colour shift, how the sensor reacts to different lights (it seems to be having a horrible time with bluer than daylight and those tunnel lights, which are probably fluros) but it's not a good advert for the camera.
In the Kitchen video there's also some weird stuff going on with the tungsten lights going very yellow too.
 

The S1H, I took it out at the height of a hot day, was shooting bursts (I always shoot bursts) and video for ages, but the fan didn’t even seem to come on
if you look at the size difference between the S1 line and the Canon and Sony models, I think that’s the main issue here, just The physics. Cramming Hot things into to tiny sealed bodies makes for poor ventilation.
i don’t know why the obsession with shrinking professional tools, for me it’s a lose lose, I prefer the larger ones in use and they don’t boil themselves.

The S1H, I took it out at the height of a hot day, was shooting bursts (I always shoot bursts) and video for ages, but the fan didn’t even seem to come on
if you look at the size difference between the S1 line and the Canon and Sony models, I think that’s the main issue here, just The physics. Cramming Hot things into to tiny sealed bodies makes for poor ventilation.
i don’t know why the obsession with shrinking professional tools, for me it’s a lose lose, I prefer the larger ones in use and they don’t boil themselves.

At this stage it's glaringly obvious Canon allowed this to protect their C line. It's just their cripple hammer in disguise. I think they tried to take a page from Sony to appease the ones asking for better specs. This camera would be absolutely amazing if not for this issue.

Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, etc. could have got stuff anywhere at any time, I think the decision largely boils down to Sony winning the tender before the other manufacturers even got a look in because it was perhaps a done deal with Sony marketing material in the tender (like AP saying it needs "cut & paste from Sony"... eh, I mean "silent shutter")
That's what I hear on the grape vine anyway 🙂
Plus the financial terms probably quite favourable.
But also, Canon didn't have a pro mirrorless camera available at the time the decision was made, and neither did Nikon, both with limited mirrorless lens ranges too.

The only one you can do anything about is learn how to focus, then you can buy the S1H 😀
Sorry bad joke...

The S1H second hand is a lot cheaper than this, you'll find them for 2700 USD or so.
It has an internal fan, all anamorphic modes you could think of, VLOG. External recording for boosted settings, but plenty of good internal ones including a 6K mode for big plates. Excellent colour and DR, it's wonderfully usable.
The only down sides are shit autofocus and the battery life could be better. The stills are amazing too.
It doesn't yet have raw recording because something is up behind the scenes, but it's designed to work as a pro camera, and is the model of how a hybrid camera should work, for me.
If you want a balanced hybrid for professional use, it's the best all-round choice right now. If you want raw for cine-style use with a bigrig, there's the Sigma FP which is phenomenally specced.
The new Canons look like more of the usual "we can't make this too good or no-one will buy our camcorders" rubbish from Canon. Same old same old, looks great on paper before it's released (cue ridiculous YouTuber wide mouth wide eye infantile thumbnails) and turns out to be hobbled in order to make you buy a more expensive model.
They want you to buy a C300 MK iii. It's where all their great new tech is, including their own version of the Arri dual-gain architecture.,
Fuck em.

The S1H second hand is a lot cheaper than this, you'll find them for 2700 USD or so.
It has an internal fan, all anamorphic modes you could think of, VLOG. External recording for boosted settings, but plenty of good internal ones including a 6K mode for big plates. Excellent colour and DR, it's wonderfully usable.
The only down sides are shit autofocus and the battery life could be better. The stills are amazing too.
It doesn't yet have raw recording because something is up behind the scenes, but it's designed to work as a pro camera, and is the model of how a hybrid camera should work, for me.
If you want a balanced hybrid for professional use, it's the best all-round choice right now. If you want raw for cine-style use with a bigrig, there's the Sigma FP which is phenomenally specced.
The new Canons look like more of the usual "we can't make this too good or no-one will buy our camcorders" rubbish from Canon. Same old same old, looks great on paper before it's released (cue ridiculous YouTuber wide mouth wide eye infantile thumbnails) and turns out to be hobbled in order to make you buy a more expensive model.
They want you to buy a C300 MK iii. It's where all their great new tech is, including their own version of the Arri dual-gain architecture.,
Fuck em.

The S1H second hand is a lot cheaper than this, you'll find them for 2700 USD or so.
It has an internal fan, all anamorphic modes you could think of, VLOG. External recording for boosted settings, but plenty of good internal ones including a 6K mode for big plates. Excellent colour and DR, it's wonderfully usable.
The only down sides are shit autofocus and the battery life could be better. The stills are amazing too.
It doesn't yet have raw recording because something is up behind the scenes, but it's designed to work as a pro camera, and is the model of how a hybrid camera should work, for me.
If you want a balanced hybrid for professional use, it's the best all-round choice right now. If you want raw for cine-style use with a bigrig, there's the Sigma FP which is phenomenally specced.
The new Canons look like more of the usual "we can't make this too good or no-one will buy our camcorders" rubbish from Canon. Same old same old, looks great on paper before it's released (cue ridiculous YouTuber wide mouth wide eye infantile thumbnails) and turns out to be hobbled in order to make you buy a more expensive model.
They want you to buy a C300 MK iii. It's where all their great new tech is, including their own version of the Arri dual-gain architecture.,
Fuck em.

Maybe Canon will come out with an ice pack option:

for some reason i couldn't. The footage was always kinda mushy looking too... It had a lot of promise but ultimately didn't deliver.

I thought at first it was just Safari refusing to do 4K but yes it is only in 1080p. Wish there was a Vimeo-like site for high quality cinematic stuff, that actually worked.

Still such a beautiful  skintone and the dual-gain sensor is lovely.

But ya know, the associated grip and batteries and so on... it'l all massive. 

TBH if I have a production hwere i can have crew i just hire it. If I don't I'll use the S1H, and turn up with nearly everything in a Peli 1510,  it's pretty close in footage looks.

I think this is gradually happening, from those I know.

I think this is gradually happening, from those I know.

Still such a beautiful  skintone and the dual-gain sensor is lovely.

But ya know, the associated grip and batteries and so on... it'l all massive. 

TBH if I have a production hwere i can have crew i just hire it. If I don't I'll use the S1H, and turn up with nearly everything in a Peli 1510,  it's pretty close in footage looks.

This all seems like the standard modern business plan. Pull people in at one level, trap them, then raise the price/lower the pay. Pretty sad.