cantsin 1 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: They are not going to have changeable modules on it get real. The GR was a flop sales wise. Goofy, complex idea. I just think that this is very real and possibly marketing-driven: BM can no longer sell a 1080p camera, despite all its goodness and a better image than practically any other prosumer camera in the market, because buyers are obsessed with 4K. A renewed Pocket camera with only 1080p wouldn't have been marketable. The only pocketable 4K sensor that BM had so far is the 1", 4K, 4OO ISO, 12-stops sensor of the Micro Studio/URSA Broadcast. If it had a newer sensor, it could have been built into the URSA Broadcast that was just released two months ago. Very possibly, the situation hasn't changed from what BM stated in 2017, and no 14-stops 4K sensor that fits a small housing is available for them (yet). So a clunky solution with swappable sensor units, 1080p/14stops and 4K/12 stops, allows to sell this camera both as a Pocket Cinema camera, but with the 4K label. As said earlier, I hope that Monday will prove me wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Well that sure as hell is not a normal looking camera that is for sure. Boy, only BM. It looks like a Barbie Cam that is Not pink! Well it is kind of Pink at the top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deezid 507 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Since my rant in the Blackmagic Facebook group about using the Sony IMX294 sensor used in the GH5s and a strong Lowpass filter may be a good thing in terms of Dynamic Range, Lowlight, battery etc. and still benefitting BM color science, broke out into a war I'm trying here again. What would you guys think? - Virtually no FPN - better battery life - Almost 14 stops of DR - great low light, ISO6400 should be fine without internal Temporal NR - low rolling shutter - none of the issues the GH5s is plagued with (strong overprocessing precisely and harsh red channel clipping) JordanWright 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JordanWright 318 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, deezid said: Since my rant in the Blackmagic Facebook group about using the Sony IMX294 sensor used in the GH5s and a strong Lowpass filter may be a good thing in terms of Dynamic Range, Lowlight, battery etc. and still benefitting BM color science, broke out into a war I'm trying here again. What would you guys think? - Virtually no FPN - better battery life - Almost 14 stops of DR - great low light, ISO6400 should be fine without internal Temporal NR - low rolling shutter - none of the issues the GH5s is plagued with (strong overprocessing precisely and harsh red channel clipping) It would be happy with that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Members BTM_Pix 5,558 Posted April 7, 2018 Super Members Share Posted April 7, 2018 Looks like a Leica R9 Lets hope it isn't priced like one. deezid 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cantsin 1 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, deezid said: Since my rant in the Blackmagic Facebook group about using the Sony IMX294 sensor used in the GH5s and a strong Lowpass filter may be a good thing in terms of Dynamic Range, Lowlight, battery etc. and still benefitting BM color science, If the last picture is not a fake, then it clearly shows an 1"/s16 sensor inside an MFT mount. The sensor on that picture is too small to be a 4/3rds sensor like the Sony IMX294. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sanveer 828 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, Matthias Scheja said: Wow. If that is what is had turned into, it's like shrek, where the princess turns into fiona. Also, the sensor is as tiny as ever, and the body looks like a flattened APS-C sizes camera squeezed under a hydraulic press. Now it's pocketable in purses, perhaps. Or huge jacket pockets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JordanWright 318 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Is that picture confirmed?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonpais 0 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, deezid said: Since my rant in the Blackmagic Facebook group about using the Sony IMX294 sensor used in the GH5s and a strong Lowpass filter may be a good thing in terms of Dynamic Range, Lowlight, battery etc. and still benefitting BM color science, broke out into a war I'm trying here again. What would you guys think? - Virtually no FPN - better battery life - Almost 14 stops of DR - great low light, ISO6400 should be fine without internal Temporal NR - low rolling shutter - none of the issues the GH5s is plagued with (strong overprocessing precisely and harsh red channel clipping) But why is it necessary to shit all over Panasonic in a thread about the Pocket? Maybe it’s your approach? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deezid 507 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, jonpais said: But why is it necessary to shit all over Panasonic in a thread about the Pocket? Maybe it’s your approach? Everyday struggle with the GH5, not fixed in the GH5s either, actually worse. Nothing wrong with Panasonic EVA-1 tough beside the 8 bit limitation in 4k60p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonpais 0 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Funny, ‘cause I find the GH5 pure joy to work with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, cantsin said: If the last picture is not a fake, then it clearly shows an 1"/s16 sensor inside an MFT mount. The sensor on that picture is too small to be a 4/3rds sensor like the Sony IMX294. Maybe it is a 1" sensor with a EF mount? Your guessing just like me LoL. That picture just about has to be real. Who would think up a crazy looking camera like that to be a fake??? 23 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: Looks like a Leica R9 Lets hope it isn't priced like one. Ohhh eye candy. I would have killed for that camera back in the day. And yeah, as expensive as it was we Would have had to kill somebody to buy it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sanveer 828 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 If it does 4k 60p, is priced at $1499 or less, has many favlours of prores and has decent battery (1.5 hours), and decent preamps, it may actually eat into some of the market of other low budget film cameras (GH5?). What it will lack is IBIS, photo shooting (Hybrid camera talents(, super long battery life, dual card slows, battery grip options, decent low light (they may be able to push ISO to 1600 by improving processing), water resistence, excellebt LCD and EVF etc. Anything above $1500 may be hard to justify especially with average or bad battery life and bad sound/ preamps. I wish the next Blackmagic Pocket Camera has some kickass ecosystem (external sound, good 5 inch affordable monitor-cum-recorder, external batteries etc). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonpais 0 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, jonpais said: But why is it necessary to shit all over Panasonic in a thread about the Pocket? Maybe it’s your approach? Not this @RedWineMogul asshole again, who just joined EOSHD to down vote all my comments. Why doesn’t he get a fucking life? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sanveer 828 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, jonpais said: Not this asshole again. Sir, are u also drinking like me right now? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, jonpais said: Funny, ‘cause I find the GH5 pure joy to work with. Come on Jon that is not what you said about that camera when it first came out. Even I was a bit wrong about it. You were sort of a X-T2 lover than. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonpais 0 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 The GH5 is a great camera, but we can discuss that in the appropriate thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Jon your not the Moderator anymore, and I can see why, so I don't think your reply's that belittle people on here ought to continue. Maybe You need to go to DPR. If you have a problem keep it to yourself. You Used to be able to respond in a civilized manner, hell if I know what has happened, but I am not fond of it. I consider a lot of people on here as friends. Maybe it's time you took a break, a long one. jonpais, mercer and Papiskokuji 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sanveer 828 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Peace everyone. Let's discuss the exciting BMPCC 4k. graphicnatured, Rinad Amir and JordanWright 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rinad Amir 214 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Id love to see some mft mouts this is such exiting time ? As for 4k its just a bonus am quet happy with 1080p raw to be honest longer battery life and bigger grip would be bonus?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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