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35 minutes ago, CaptainHook said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbB4dQOz4I

Mark Wyatt talks about using the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. ‘Nature’ is Mark’s test of the camera’s 4K performance in the extreme lighting conditions of rainforests and ravines.

“The camera tests I wanted to do were in the forests and waterfalls on the outer West Coast of Canada. I was really interested in seeing how the new sensor would handle these harsh lighting conditions. By increasing the ISO to an impressive 1250 and 2500, it allowed me to capture the dark moss-lined walls and unique emerald color, yet also hold onto the highlight detail of the top of the waterfall and sky. I feel most cameras would likely struggle with this scene.”

“I had the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K for only a few days, but overall I was really impressed by it. The weight of the camera is very liberating, especially when you are used to using larger camera systems. The screen is big and bright enough to use in daylight, which I found great for judging focus and exposure. And, the colors too on the screen, were also nicely represented. In fact, I would argue it is Blackmagic’s best screen yet.”

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K
RAW 
ISO400, 1250 and 2500 
Sigma 18-35mm, Rokinon Cine 50mm EF lenses
Metabones Speedbooster to Micro Four Thirds

Looks nice, but nothing the original pocket couldn't do? Especially only seeing this a 1080p version. 

The highlights seem to be clipping harder/differently than the original pocket. Looks more like the GH5 than the BMPCC to me.

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2 minutes ago, BenEricson said:

Looks nice, but nothing the original pocket couldn't do? Especially only seeing this a 1080p version. 

The highlights seem to be clipping harder/differently than the original pocket. Looks more like the GH5 than the BMPCC to me.

It's uploaded in 4K also it's difficult to know how the original would compare with out actually being their and testing it out. That being said, the original but in 4K is still excellent.

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It could be the grade, but there seems to be a color shift at higher ISOs and yes, other than that Raw texture, especially in the tree bark, it does seem to look more like the GH5 in its highlights. But for the first video out in the wild, not too shabby at all.

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Well, I shot this short/test for fun last summer with the GH5 with similarish content and conditions. Maybe some value in comparing the two.

I think I intentionally went 'darker' with my CC, but if I had to guess I'd say the P4K has more range than the GH5.

Here's one of the initial released videos from the URSA mini with similar content shot by the same guy the P4K footage above. There's something magical about these images. Can't compare the two cameras. But good for reference.

 

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35 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Well, I shot this short/test for fun last summer with the GH5 with similarish content and conditions. Maybe some value in comparing the two.

I think I intentionally went 'darker' with my CC, but if I had to guess I'd say the P4K has more range than the GH5.

Here's one of the initial released videos from the URSA mini with similar content shot by the same guy the P4K footage above. There's something magical about these images. Can't compare the two cameras. But good for reference.

 

I think what I’m seeing is a similarity in the highlight roll off, not necessarily a DR similarity with the GH5. With that being said, I enjoyed your impromptu family short film.

The Ursa Footage is in a different category than the P4K, as it should be, but I definitely think this is some quality first footage for the P4K. That midday sun, in the middle of the woods is a bitch on almost any sensor.

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2 minutes ago, mercer said:

I think what I’m seeing is a similarity in the highlight roll off, not necessarily a DR similarity with the GH5. With that being said, I enjoyed your impromptu family short film.

The Ursa Footage is in a different category than the P4K, as it should be, but I definitely think this is some quality first footage for the P4K. That midday sun, in the middle of the woods is a bitch on almost any sensor.

I'm thinking Wyatt did no favors for the P4K with the TOD he chose. That's it. Same great composition, just doesn't feel right. The last series of shots on the beach particularly is not flattering for the P4K. But I don't think it would do any cameras any favors.

Thanks @CaptainHook for sharing this with us. Please don't take my comments as a complaint. I'm encouraged actually. I think Wyatt's footage with different light or weather would be vastly improved. But actually, this was hard conditions for the camera and they still look great. I'm betting footage from this camera is going to keep getting better. Can't wait to see skin.

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34 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Trees... ? Seven months plus waiting for footage and their first footage is of trees?

I think you added like 3 months. Also you don't need a film to show it off. This was high dynamic range footage of trees, water, and caves. You're acting like they gave you test charts.

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2 hours ago, Myownfriend said:

It's uploaded in 4K also it's difficult to know how the original would compare with out actually being their and testing it out. That being said, the original but in 4K is still excellent.

Yeah it's 4K on my computer. But yeah it is not BMPCC looking, but it didn't have 4K either, so we don't really know yet?

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1 hour ago, Myownfriend said:

I think you added like 3 months. Also you don't need a film to show it off. This was high dynamic range footage of trees, water, and caves. You're acting like they gave you test charts.

It's just that I was really looking forward to seeing a real demo of what this camera can do... motion cadence, skin tones etc... it's difficult to gauge with this footage. I'm sure more footage is coming,  but this was a pretty underwhelming first demo 

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12 minutes ago, DBounce said:

It's just that I was really looking forward to seeing a real demo of what this camera can do... motion cadence, skin tones etc... it's difficult to gauge with this footage. I'm sure more footage is coming,  but this was a pretty underwhelming first demo 

Same. I'm sure there will be other footage released in the coming days or weeks showcasing skin tones and low-light.

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4 hours ago, CaptainHook said:

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

RAW 
ISO400, 1250 and 2500 
Sigma 18-35mm, Rokinon Cine 50mm EF lenses
Metabones Speedbooster to Micro Four Thirds

I think it looks good. He could have pushed those shadows a little in his grade to make it a little less harsh and contrasty though.

 

i do see the cadence in the water though, i wonder what shutter angle it was shot and if that had anything to do with it. 

 

I’m glad I’ll have both the OG-pocket and this one when it finally comes.

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7 hours ago, CaptainHook said:

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K
RAW 
 

Do you know of any plans to release some untouched original files before the camera is released? I think even that would be hugely appreciated, perhaps more so than the forest video.

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6 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Well, I shot this short/test for fun last summer with the GH5 with similarish content and conditions. Maybe some value in comparing the two.

I think I intentionally went 'darker' with my CC, but if I had to guess I'd say the P4K has more range than the GH5.

Here's one of the initial released videos from the URSA mini with similar content shot by the same guy the P4K footage above. There's something magical about these images. Can't compare the two cameras. But good for reference.

 

Hattie Mae is so brilliant actress! And I think you did wonderful job so nicely taming the modern oversharpness. Darker mood need darker grading - just it made comparison with Ursa's clip harder because of different atmosphere... I just regret that you didn't somehow, for the sake of the fake game-test, change signature of used cameras... Sorry to say, but I have impression that just seeing the name of Ursa vs GH5 makes impression on some commenting... which, in a case of Hattie Mae's showcase movie is not true because of modest DR request in the scene that provide possibility that GH5 clip looks to me much more OLPFish.

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As Yurolov already mentioned, I think that some shots show so capable DR, which is, of course, expected... Reason why I'm waiting  BMP4k'raw (before, say, GH5s) is even greater possibility to conceal/correct critical WB and exposing mistakes  I made in so often uncontrolled situation... What is rest for best wish is - better build quality and longer life period without issues than original BMPCC... area where Panasonic is, with Canon 5d's, what I found from experience, so annoyingly superior in prosumer/consumer market (it is incredible that I still find GH1 and 5D II in great condition after very hard usage treatment.)

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6 hours ago, DBounce said:

Trees... ? Seven months plus waiting for footage and their first footage is of trees?

Nice trees and water rendering BTW : ) I find it pretty useful to not say awesome to be honest :-)

 

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11 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Well, I shot this short/test for fun last summer with the GH5 with similarish content and conditions. Maybe some value in comparing the two.

I think I intentionally went 'darker' with my CC, but if I had to guess I'd say the P4K has more range than the GH5.

Here's one of the initial released videos from the URSA mini with similar content shot by the same guy the P4K footage above. There's something magical about these images. Can't compare the two cameras. But good for reference.

 

The ursa shoot is almost all on an overcast day: much more flattering light in a forest. 

Whilst we're sharing forest shoots, here's how the d5300 coped on a sunny day, like the BM4k. Its 4 years old, a camera half the price,  8bit 24Mbps, 1/4 of the res and all, so I guess I was hoping to see better highlight rolloff in the new BM cam.  

And I agree those last shots are not flattering. The footage seems a bit thin. 

 

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I am actually really impressed by the footage in the forest, however I agree the beach footage looked kinda funky. There seemed to be a lack of detail and color in those shots somehow, I really wonder what happened there or why they choose to include that. Also while your footage is really lovely Gethin, I disagree that the highlight rolloff is similar there. Not only did you have to underexpose significantly (and understandably) in a lot of shots, your footage also blows out really mean in a lot of the footage, very different from the light in the Pocket 4k which I actually think haloes quite nicely. This is much better than what I experienced from the original URSA. Of course you cannot compare this to the Ursa 4.6k (I know we all will, haha), which has at least two stops more of dynamic range.

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