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I can’t go along with the ‘they’ve been screwing us’ line. I paid $1,800 for the GH5, $1,880 for the a7 III, or around $500 more for the two hybrid cameras which admittedly pack a lot more tech. You may not need or want that tech, you might just want a sensor in a box that shoots RAW, and that’s fine, but that tech costs money either way. For working professionals who need a hybrid camera (read: most people), a full frame camera for under $2,000 is still peanuts.

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My dear erstwhile member can you please stop attacking John Brawley now. I have long since given up on camera forum arguments so might not be completely up on who is right and who is wrong-evil /

I like the pictures. A lot.  This camera will probably replace the micro cinema camera for me as it’s not much bigger and is much easier to work with.  I didn’t feel as strongly about the 4K

What a shame. Who are these "deep state" BMD insiders that are here pushing an agenda ? Myself and Hook.  Who else ?  What do you guys think, there's a plot and conspiracy ?  You guys don't wat t

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45 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Overlooking Z Cam? 

E2 giving 4K 120fps for $2K is amazing. 

Ditto the E1 being only $199, that is an awful lot of value. 

Yeah but the footage out of the E2 is pretty bad right now. Will they fix it, I don't know. But it can be 250 bucks and I don't want it. Well I guess I would LoL.

Yeah I forgot about the E1. Now that is pretty good. I am sure they will figure out the E2, I hope. But I don't see how they are going to sell Any of them since the 4K BMPCC has been announced Unless you need a damn small profile body. Ergo, BM Micro size. They are in a tough spot right now with it no doubt.

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2 hours ago, jonpais said:

Loving it, but most of all, reliable AF-C. sry for the off-topic...

Hmm, I must have missed that. I never knew you went FF.  Grats. Hell it's about time you saw the light. Sony, FF, heck you may have died and went to heaven. ?

6 hours ago, jonpais said:

I can’t go along with the ‘they’ve been screwing us’ line. I paid $1,800 for the GH5, $1,880 for the a7 III, or around $500 more for the two hybrid cameras which admittedly pack a lot more tech. You may not need or want that tech, you might just want a sensor in a box that shoots RAW, and that’s fine, but that tech costs money either way. For working professionals who need a hybrid camera (read: most people), a full frame camera for under $2,000 is still peanuts.

I agree with you thoughts. Panasonic and Sony have picked up the pace here pretty fast lately. But this new 4K BMPCC is more a Cine camera than a Hybrid. I think the GH5s is a bit also. But we are talking $8000.00 type Cine cameras this thing is going to be able to compete with. That is a Big deal. The average person is not even going to need it or the 8 grand cameras. They are slow and clunky. This BM might not even be clunky. We don't know yet. But for other than run n gun, and it may do that, this thing is maybe unbeatable for us money wise. I guess we will soon find out. I think we are going to be blowen away by the 4K Raw footage out of it.

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3 hours ago, mercer said:

Totally off topic, but how do you like full frame? 

 

3 hours ago, jonpais said:

Loving it, but most of all, reliable AF-C. sry for the off-topic...

Oh, jonpais, you've got the A7iii? Welcome onboard the Sony boat! 

44 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

This BM might not even be clunky. We don't know yet. But for other than run n gun, and it may do that, this thing is maybe unbeatable for us money wise. I guess we will soon find out. I think we are going to be blowen away by the 4K Raw footage out of it.

Maybe, but then not because of better resolution than what we already have with our normal hybrids. Just compared a wedding video I shot two weeks ago with A6500 with a four year old I had then shot with BM Pocket - on a UHD TV, from a very short viewing distance. Negligible visible differences of resolution  between "HD minus 20%" - the Pocket has 1920 by 1080 pixels on it's sensor, un-debayered - and "6k downsampled to UHD". 

How is that? Well, Yedlin was obviously right. The display resolution is of more importance than that of the camera and FullHD is the threshold. The BMPCC 4k also has just 4k pixels (the additional pixels for the wider AR can't be used for debayering).

Decided I had to go back to the computer and finetune the colors, because in comparison *some* Sony shots looked like "video", colorwise.

Not all though. And here is the interesting part. I had used GFilm as picture profile. And I'm glad I did. The A6500 may have it's shortcomings (more so if you compare it - on paper - to the Pocket 4k's specs), but it also has undeniable virtues (small size, low weight, good lowlight and AF), the most important one being that I already own it and a combo of good glass.

Sony cameras are vloggers' choices. They don't care if their stuff looks like video. No one yet showed me a Youtube link to a Sony video to disprove that. But there will be a *few* Pocket clips to show such elusive qualities as better cadence or beautiful skintones. Few, because at least the skintones need the ability of the user-colorist to let them survive.

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11 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Z Cam can be argued it is a cinema camera manufacturer.

I can agree to that If they get their act together on better output on the E2. And they may be belly up with the 4K BMPCC announced for half the price of the E2. I have no clue how they are going to sell it at even 1000 bucks?

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5 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I can agree to that If they get their act together on better output on the E2. And they may be belly up with the 4K BMPCC announced for half the price of the E2. I have no clue how they are going to sell it at even 1000 bucks?

It isn't hard to see how the E2 could be viewed as a premium camera relative to the BMPCC4K for some people's needs and worth the premium 

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10 hours ago, mercer said:

Yeah, @cantsin that is some of the nicest color from the BMPCC that I have seen. Who needs the P4K with an image like that?

The image of the old Pocket still has two weaknesses:

  • moiré - if you watch the video carefully and in full resolution, you see it everywhere;
  • resolution - with a native 1920x1080 Bayer sensor, the camera realistically just produces an optical resolution of about 720p.

There are third-party OLPFs for the old Pocket that greatly reduce - but not eliminate - moiré, but they lower resolution even more. 

There's a chance that the 4k sensor of the new Pocket alleviates moiré with high-resolution lenses. No doubt the camera will produce excellent 2k/1080p when downsampling its footage in post. But it doesn't have an OLPF either, unlike the GH5s (which likely has the same sensor), so I'm afraid that moiré will remain an issue.

A collerateral damage of the Pocket 4K's smaller sensor pixels will be dynamic range. Blackmagic advertises it as one stop less than the old Pocket. (And another question is whether using the camera at its second native ISO of 2500 will mean the loss of yet another stop of DR.) For the video that I posted here, this would have meant that the windows would have been completely blown out in all shots against the light.

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