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Disclaimer: I dont have the camera, Im not saying its good or bad. I haven't watched Max, Kens or any other AF test. Personally I would never use AF anyway. Its to slow and imprecise for my way of doing things.

So this comment is not about the AF in the GH5, its about AF in general.

But, If it really comes down to "learning" how to use the AF its at least safe to say its not great.

Ive said the same thing about WB in Sony Slog. Some say it requires practice and testing. Bullshit imo. A $3K camera that needs special treatment for something so fundamental and simple as WB... thats just a bad WB.

An AF in a $2K camera that needs more fiddling than MF just to get it going... sounds like a pretty mediocre AF imo.

Again, not saying the camera is bad, so take a deep breath before defending. All AF is mediocre at best imo. I dont use AF on any camera. I hardly ever use it for stills (to slow) so I couldn't care less. I was just thinking out loud about what Ive read in this thread. 

There are far more important things to factor when deciding on a camera imo. AF in video isnt at the top of the list. In fact, its not even on the list.

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3 hours ago, Hanriverprod said:

So like anything it has good and bad qualities. Although after seeing what ml is doing with a 5 year old camera, the images from the gh5 like the gh4 seem videoy and anemic. I'm thinking about picking one up but I'm just being honest with myself about what I could use it for. Although I gotta say the marketing online and the hype is impressive I guess until we see what Sony unveils at NAB.

I own 2 GH4's....although they are "video cameras" as is the Alexa and all Reds and the Sony F 35...I have to say I'm completely baffled by your statement that the GH4 & now 5 looks "videoy" and "anemic"...you're kidding, right!....or is this where we're going next, now, that AF is getting exhausting?

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53 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

But, If it really comes down to "learning" how to use the AF its at least safe to say its not great.

Fair enough. Although I'd add that my default for the GH4 has always been the one touch area option if I really wanted to use AF in video. It was slightly frustrating to see Max try everything except for it. And it does work. As a GH4/GH5 user he has given me nothing in those videos. Plus I hate long tech videos.   

53 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

There are far more important things to factor when deciding on a camera imo. AF in video isnt at the top of the list. In fact, its not even on the list.

Yup. Although kinda handy if doing unboxing videos and holding something up to the camera. rx100v does really well at that in the 4 minutes before the camera overheats and the battery goes flat. 

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45 minutes ago, Orangenz said:

I'd add that my default for the GH4 has always been the one touch area option if I really wanted to use AF in video. It was slightly frustrating to see Max try everything except for it. And it does work. As a GH4/GH5 user he has given me nothing in those videos.

That's the point. This has been ignored and followed by canceled orders based on YT testers.

Here's another one, seems happier:

 

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2 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

I own 2 GH4's....although they are "video cameras" as is the Alexa and all Reds and the Sony F 35...I have to say I'm completely baffled by your statement that the GH4 & now 5 looks "videoy" and "anemic"...you're kidding, right!....or is this where we're going next, now, that AF is getting exhausting?

That's my opinion. Is that okay?

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2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Disclaimer: I dont have the camera, Im not saying its good or bad. I haven't watched Max, Kens or any other AF test. Personally I would never use AF anyway. Its to slow and imprecise for my way of doing things.

So this comment is not about the AF in the GH5, its about AF in general.

But, If it really comes down to "learning" how to use the AF its at least safe to say its not great.

Ive said the same thing about WB in Sony Slog. Some say it requires practice and testing. Bullshit imo. A $3K camera that needs special treatment for something so fundamental and simple as WB... thats just a bad WB.

An AF in a $2K camera that needs more fiddling than MF just to get it going... sounds like a pretty mediocre AF imo.

Again, not saying the camera is bad, so take a deep breath before defending. All AF is mediocre at best imo. I dont use AF on any camera. I hardly ever use it for stills (to slow) so I couldn't care less. I was just thinking out loud about what Ive read in this thread. 

There are far more important things to factor when deciding on a camera imo. AF in video isnt at the top of the list. In fact, its not even on the list.

Long before the release of the GH5, I remarked how adjusting even relatively straightforward settings like white balance, curves and contrast on cameras like the G80/85 was confusing for some people (myself included), and that it would result in yet more perplexity for photographers not accustomed to setting things like knee, gamma, hue, etc. on the GH5. But never could I have imagined that custom AF settings would create such a stir. 

6 minutes ago, midloch said:

Videoy? Like camcoder? You should change your glasses! Lets see:

 

We've already seen this video, several times in different threads, OK? Hanriverprod is entitled to his opinion.

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Realistically true. I think it's also because life moves too fast today, well, much beyond media convergence of nowadays. People literally have no patience to set up stuff with detail. And these things fully require it. I left the plead to Yuryev on his comparison video, let's see if he adds his input on such request: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEsSsdTKJs4&lc=z122fzywwwqsidcbd04chxzyhqyfcfxhlkw0k

Something I believe as useful on his door (not only because of the contrast of its lines as Michael Ma wrote, nice catch) is the fact he's now at devil's advocate angle. His words from his interpretation over the GH5 manual is a finest example of all this agitation around and produced by his viral YT video tests. It would be nice to see his new entry if so happens.

 

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2 minutes ago, midloch said:

Videoy? Like camcoder? You should change your glasses! Lets see:

 

Footage is nice, probably best I've seen so far. But he's shooting on a grey day, muted palette, slo-mo, some very shallow dof shots, tracking, so yeah it looks nice. It works with what he's got which is what he should be doing. Still, I agree this looks good.

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1 minute ago, Hanriverprod said:

Footage is nice, probably best I've seen so far. But he's shooting on a grey day, muted palette, slo-mo, some very shallow dof shots, tracking, so yeah it looks nice. It works with what he's got which is what he should be doing. Still, I agree this looks good.

Yes GH5 is for people who know how to handle and than the results are great and filmic.

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25 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Long before the release of the GH5, I remarked how adjusting even relatively straightforward settings like white balance, curves and contrast on cameras like the G80/85 was confusing for some people (myself included), and that it would result in yet more perplexity for photographers not accustomed to setting things like knee, gamma, hue, etc. on the GH5. But never could I have imagined that custom AF settings would create such a stir. 

I guess its because Im old fashioned and started out in TV a long time ago before the DSLR boom. So Im used to professional gear where setting a custom white balance is an easy thing that an ENG-shooter does ten times a day. 

Same with focus. I need it to work, so use manual.

I guess thats why I shoot so much film and prefer cameras like Leica. Less fiddle faddle and instead focus on the craft and cteating.

We all like different things and work in different ways. You said once you liked to use tele for street shooting while many if not most of us like to get in close to the subject. Nothing wrong with either approach. Just different tastes.

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1 minute ago, midloch said:

Yes GH5 is for people who know how to handle and than the results are great and filmic.

I wouldn't call that filmic. It looks nice, but filmic? No. Nice video, to my eyes which is great. Now I been seeing some of the 3k footage of the hacked 5d iii and to me that looks filmic. It doesn't look soft and messy like the hd hack. Now it's sharp plus nice and thick with character like the bm, red and alexa cameras and some canon. But hey, that's just like my opinion man. Still, I would like a gh5 to play with.

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You son of a gun of a GH5 thread. Shame on you, GH5! You broke that beautiful record of the GX85 thread for

the longest and most beautiful thread! Keep on rockin! :)

By the way, GX85 files are easy to grade to get awesome colors from. So GH5 will even rock stronger color wise!

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8 hours ago, jonpais said:

Maybe Panasonic's  algorithms don't recognize Max's brother. 

I'd have given you a 'like', but the site is telling me I'm all out of likes for the day. That's kind of like "Air Supplys", I'm all out of love. :)

3 hours ago, jonpais said:

Long before the release of the GH5, I remarked how adjusting even relatively straightforward settings like white balance, curves and contrast on cameras like the G80/85 was confusing for some people (myself included), and that it would result in yet more perplexity for photographers not accustomed to setting things like knee, gamma, hue, etc. on the GH5. But never could I have imagined that custom AF settings would create such a stir. 

 

I think the point is that the settings are there, but you can choose not to use them...and you'll still get excellent results. I'm more than mildly amused by all the futzing with +5, -5, speed, sensitivity etc. I set the damn thing to central area focusing, leave every other AF setting at default, and my results seem to be 100X better than Max's. Did I say I want to hit my head against the wall. ;)

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