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43 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Super job, hope you don't mind if I post this on my blog? You'll get lots of exposure, I've got around 5 subscribers so far. :) 

Of course! Mmm I should add to the description using eoshd pro color on the rx100. 

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11 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

Nice to see someone rocking one of the best native lenses for m43. But I find it questionable that a professional studio photographer uses a white balance preset rather than setting it manually. It only takes a second, and colors will be better.

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6 minutes ago, Ken Ross said:

Jon, where did you see he used a preset? I didn't see that in the video or the description below...unless I missed it.

When they show the back of the camera, you can see he's using 'cloudy' instead of Kelvin. There's no way in god's green earth that those LED lights have a color temperature of 'cloudy'! hahaha :) 

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2 hours ago, jonpais said:

When they show the back of the camera, you can see he's using 'cloudy' instead of Kelvin. There's no way in god's green earth that those LED lights have a color temperature of 'cloudy'! hahaha :) 

It's an old trick to warm up the image, done when the first digital cameras didn't have dedicated Kelvin settings.

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White balance was too magenta. Corrected in Photoshop. Now the background is gray, however green-magenta bands are still mixed in and skintones are slightly greenish. Some shades go magenta and some go green. That's the big challenge cameras have with color science. To get everything right in this example it would take secondary color correction and/or masking- a lot of work. While Canon is certainly not perfect, in my experience I have far less work in post with Canon vs. Panasonic or Sony (both of which can look great, but takes more time in post). Part of the issue could be the lights- spikey spectrums are hard for many cameras to deal with (that's why natural light and tungsten can look nice, and all other non-continuous spectrum lights prove challenging).

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I bet any 8-bit 4:2:0 artifacts can be overcome on HDMI 10-bit going on much higher bitrate with external recording... I just am not sure I had understood it well, hey, Simo: Atomos much better than the Blackmagic's external recording device? Why should it be so? So strange that.

Saluti,

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2 hours ago, jcs said:

White balance was too magenta. Corrected in Photoshop. Now the background is gray, however green-magenta bands are still mixed in and skintones are slightly greenish. Some shades go magenta and some go green. That's the big challenge cameras have with color science. To get everything right in this example it would take secondary color correction and/or masking- a lot of work. While Canon is certainly not perfect, in my experience I have far less work in post with Canon vs. Panasonic or Sony (both of which can look great, but takes more time in post). Part of the issue could be the lights- spikey spectrums are hard for many cameras to deal with (that's why natural light and tungsten can look nice, and all other non-continuous spectrum lights prove challenging).

GH5Skin.jpg

Judging not only from other videos we've seen, but also the incorrectly applied preset in this video, I don't think we can use this video in any way to judge skin tones from the GH5.

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Hi everyone, sorry to interrupt your discussion as i dont wanted to start a new topic for a minor question. I was lucky enough to get a GH5 today and was wonderign if you guys could recomend me some good, reasonably priced, SD cards for shooting video? And should i wait for the new v60 standard cards, because of the 400mb/s update? thanks a bunch!

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2 hours ago, wonderboy said:

Hi everyone, sorry to interrupt your discussion as i dont wanted to start a new topic for a minor question. I was lucky enough to get a GH5 today and was wonderign if you guys could recomend me some good, reasonably priced, SD cards for shooting video? And should i wait for the new v60 standard cards, because of the 400mb/s update? thanks a bunch!

Well I don't know of any place that even sells v60 cards as yet, so I guess use what you got for now and by the time the Firmware Update comes out maybe B&H, etc. will have some. Cards we have now sure are not going to be able to push 400mb/s content with ease.

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The 95MB/s* seems to classify as V30 (so max. sustained 30MB/s, 150Mbit/s should be a little less than 20MB/s, so I imagine that's fine; *read, 90MB/s write). More about speed classes, as you've probably seen, here: https://www.sdcard.org/consumers/choices/speed_class/index.html . Haven't seen any official V60 cards yet (required for GH5 w/ firmware update; 400MBit/s - 50MB/s, so V60), but I have V90 and those would roughly be the ones with spec: R280/W250. The Panasonic and Delkin ones, don't come cheap though. If 90 equals 30 and 250 equals 90, you're looking at about a factor 3x. So, 60x3=180 (also 90+30=120/2=60 and 250+90=340/2=170). That's the exact writespeed of the 'Transcend Ultimate SDXC 64GB, UHS-II U3/Class 10'. With all that said, draw your own conclusions and then check cards availlable and pricing right here.

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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

Here is a link to a German site that gets close to what you need!

https://www.foto-mundus.de/17049/lexar-professional-2000x-uhs-ii-64gb-sdxc-300mb/s

Twice the cost, but the 128GB is a better idea for those future codecs. How fast is the sustained write on these? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1090745-REG/lexar_lsd128crbna10002_pro_1000x_uhs_2.html

In other news, the vlog activation works fine. 

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14 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

New video I have not seen, maybe on here, don't know. Looks like ISO 3200 Could be used in a pinch, but damn good color at lower ISO's.

Nice all around camera. Can be cinematic with the right lens (e.g Voigtlander F.95), filter (ProMist or similar), 24p, and log to protect highlights (+grading. Lighting is important though cinéma vérité can work too).

This is a no excuse camera, now anyone can make a blockbuster :). @Orangenz are you waiting for Peter Jackson to get his so you can combine cameras for District Kong Hobbit IX 3D? If you shoot it Birdman style in one take then throw on a LUT, you'd be done in about two hours! ;)  

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Yeah I think you are right jcs, this camera is a no brainer as far as I can see. It, to me, looks like Panasonic has changed their "color science" on the GH5 for well it is a lot better skin tone wise as I see it so far. And that is a damn good thing!

The color looks more natural for sure to me, but I can't put my finger on any camera to compare it too. Ah , I can throw out a lot of cameras here, but I think they have come up with a unique look that has a smooth yet colorful look to it. Yeah I guess it still is a bit Video Camera looking but I don't think we are ever going to get rid of that look with 4k, even 2k. It just has a Lot more detail, and lets be honest, the film era viewed in a movie theater was soft, not tack sharp, but still had a lot of definition, contrast, and hell I guess the DR of film was what made it happen, not counting the best lens, best lighting.

Do I think it has a film look, well not close, do I think it has a modern, this is what we are wanting, Indie look, well hell yes. We can always add LuTs, but you have to have a great output to start with, and I think the GH5 has it in spades! This thing could end up being the best camera under 5000 bucks money can buy.. This camera I think can be used as is, out of camera, and end up on Vimeo, YouTube as a winner look wise.

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@webrunner5 everything I listed above plus film grain (ideally organic noise), and film-look grading or using a film style LUT (PP CC has a few, there's also Film Convert and others), I'm certain it can have a film look, even in 4K. A super detailed noise free look is fine for corporate, commercials, YouTube vloggers, etc., and with a little work can look quite filmic too. Remember @Neumann Films example (I tweaked this frame- see full screen):

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https://www.filmconvert.com/ has a GH4 + Vlog and Varicam LT profiles and I'm sure will have GH5 too (if the Varicam LT is log, that might work on the GH5).

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