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Panasonic GH5 - all is revealed!

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4 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I have owned both. The XT3 image is definitely better. Superior at  3200 iso and 6400 iso. Dynamic range is better. 4k 60p and  HD 120p holds up better to grading and hold more detail I've found. 

Auto focus is far superior. Dynamic range and noise performance in stills is far superior. 

IBIS on the GH5 is fantastic though and the H264 codec is much easier to work with than H265. The XT3 can show moire and aliasing at times where the GH5 is pretty much free of both. That isn't too say the XT3 is bad at all in this regard, just that the GH5 is really really good. The GH5 rolling shutter performance is better, again the XT3 is not bad the GH5 is just great. 

The XT3 sensor is obviously bigger, with a speedbooster you get the full frame look. That can't be achieved on the GH5.

Ugh, I'm so torn right now - I could sell the XT3 and buy a used GH5 with the ULTRA Metabones speedbooster. I'm very happy with Fuji's pictures, but video? Handheld is more of my style and I absolutely can't do it, since it has no IBIS. Is it that much of a difference for photography between these two cameras?

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3 hours ago, dorche said:

Reviews are everywhere today, but I'm still looking for a clear side by side comparison of 4k  25 fps vs 4k 50 fps from the GH5 ( or 30/60) ...  How much is the loss in quality when shooting 50 fps from your experience ?

A bit more noisy and of course vlog in 8 bit on the GH5 is not a good idea so you are stuck with Cine-D or Natural profiles.

1 hour ago, njekolino said:

Ugh, I'm so torn right now - I could sell the XT3 and buy a used GH5 with the ULTRA Metabones speedbooster. I'm very happy with Fuji's pictures, but video? Handheld is more of my style and I absolutely can't do it, since it has no IBIS. Is it that much of a difference for photography between these two cameras?

If you mostly do flash or studio photography it doesn't really matter. But the extra Dynamic range and low light performance on the Fuji make a big difference for the type of photos I like to take.

I've been considering the Nikon Z6, ultimately a better photo camera than the XT3 and it has IBIS. The 18-55 on the XT3 is nice for handheld, I end up using it a lot for photos too.

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3 hours ago, njekolino said:

Ugh, I'm so torn right now - I could sell the XT3 and buy a used GH5 with the ULTRA Metabones speedbooster. I'm very happy with Fuji's pictures, but video? Handheld is more of my style and I absolutely can't do it, since it has no IBIS. Is it that much of a difference for photography between these two cameras?

once you use ibis as good as gh5 its hard to want to shoot with something without it. Thats why i got the S1 its like a gh5s but FF and ibis

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29 minutes ago, arson519 said:

once you use ibis as good as gh5 its hard to want to shoot with something without it. Thats why i got the S1 its like a gh5s but FF and ibis

I am very interested in it, slightly out of my normal budget though and of course poor AF in video is a bit of a turn off.

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7 hours ago, njekolino said:

Ugh, I'm so torn right now - I could sell the XT3 and buy a used GH5 with the ULTRA Metabones speedbooster. I'm very happy with Fuji's pictures, but video? Handheld is more of my style and I absolutely can't do it, since it has no IBIS. Is it that much of a difference for photography between these two cameras?

I had the Fuji XT-3 for a while and switched back to the GH5. 

GH5 has bad auto focus, you have a micro 4/3 sensor, etc... BUT man this camera is incredible. I missed it the instant I got the Fuji.

Fuji definitely has some plus sides and really great color. For photos I prefer the Fuji but the GH5 does great. One thing nice about the Fuji is the AF in 120fps full HD. But again I can get over that. 

If you do run'n'gun / handheld or anything of that sort. I would go GH5. It's a killer camera. Once they get a variable ND Micro4/2 to EF adapter the GH5 becomes a killer camera. Also don't fall for the noise around the depth of field not being shallow enough, it's plenty good. 

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49 minutes ago, colepat said:

I had the Fuji XT-3 for a while and switched back to the GH5. 

GH5 has bad auto focus, you have a micro 4/3 sensor, etc... BUT man this camera is incredible. I missed it the instant I got the Fuji.

Fuji definitely has some plus sides and really great color. For photos I prefer the Fuji but the GH5 does great. One thing nice about the Fuji is the AF in 120fps full HD. But again I can get over that. 

If you do run'n'gun / handheld or anything of that sort. I would go GH5. It's a killer camera. Once they get a variable ND Micro4/2 to EF adapter the GH5 becomes a killer camera. Also don't fall for the noise around the depth of field not being shallow enough, it's plenty good. 

Yeah its perfectly fine with a speedbooster or the right lenses. With more inexpensive M43 lenses though I've never been satisfied with DOF on M43, at least for run and gun stuff where you don't have control of location and such.  

I love having full frame as an option but shooting super shallow isn't always the most realistic. Its really hard to stay in focus at f2 on full frame. 

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2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Yeah its perfectly fine with a speedbooster or the right lenses. With more inexpensive M43 lenses though I've never been satisfied with DOF on M43, at least for run and gun stuff where you don't have control of location and such.  

I love having full frame as an option but shooting super shallow isn't always the most realistic. Its really hard to stay in focus at f2 on full frame. 

I've used the Panny 15mm f1.7 and the Sigma 30mm f1.4 and they are plenty good. I even used the Sigma 18-35mm NON speedboosted for some good results (just waiting on that variable ND adapter). I would personally love to see something like a 25-50mm f/1.4 or f1.7 that would probably never leave my GH5 if it existed. 

 

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For those shooting with the 5K 4:3 mode who crop the image in post, how do you set framing properly?

I know there are guide-lines that you can put up on the display, but they're so feint that my brain completely ignores them, and so I instinctively frame up in the 4:3 view and then have difficulty cropping in post because I filled the whole frame.

I don't want to put tape on the screen, and can't put it on the viewfinder (which I use a lot).  Is there a hidden setting somewhere that I'm not aware of that shows stronger framing guidelines, or better yet, actually blacks out the top/bottom parts of the frame to only show the aspect ratio you set?

Thanks!

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3 hours ago, kye said:

For those shooting with the 5K 4:3 mode who crop the image in post, how do you set framing properly?

I know there are guide-lines that you can put up on the display, but they're so feint that my brain completely ignores them, and so I instinctively frame up in the 4:3 view and then have difficulty cropping in post because I filled the whole frame.

I don't want to put tape on the screen, and can't put it on the viewfinder (which I use a lot).  Is there a hidden setting somewhere that I'm not aware of that shows stronger framing guidelines, or better yet, actually blacks out the top/bottom parts of the frame to only show the aspect ratio you set?

Thanks!

yeah no such settings exist, some not so sticky gaf tape is your best bet.Just out some cardboard on the screen itself so the tape only touches the plastic. 

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25 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

yeah no such settings exist, some not so sticky gaf tape is your best bet.Just out some cardboard on the screen itself so the tape only touches the plastic. 

Doesn't help with the viewfinder or to improve the touchscreen functionality.  It's a pretty weak aspect actually - adding some additional options for this would be pretty easy in software I would think.

How would I go about petitioning Panasonic and would anyone actually listen/care?

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7 minutes ago, kye said:

Doesn't help with the viewfinder or to improve the touchscreen functionality.  It's a pretty weak aspect actually - adding some additional options for this would be pretty easy in software I would think.

How would I go about petitioning Panasonic and would anyone actually listen/care?

Yeah I agree, I had the guidelines on once but forgot they were there. I imagine it could improve with practice tho

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I guess it was overhyped. I dont see a point of getting one with such a shitty AF. Sigma is a bit heavier, gives better and stronger bokeh, better AF for video (!) and costs 500 $ used vs 2000 euro for this one (or 1800$ for lucky chaps in US). The price\efficiency ratio just doesnt cut it. Useless lens. 

Ok, used sigma + Viltrox adapter = 700$ ~ 1 kilo

But Sony FE Tamron 28-75 2.8 = 800$ and it gives better range, perfect AFC and weights TWICE less (550grams) then Sigma+booster combo. Year I know it Sony, but in terms of weights, price and specs it is very comparible if not favorable to Panasonic options

And Pana 10-27 - 1800-2000$ with its 700 grams in the middle. Mehh

Now I have even more reasons to switch to Sony (all thos wonderfull Tamron lenses).. waiting on that A7S3 duh

The only important thing Panasonic still wins over Sony in my bag - is its IBIS. But maybe Sony will improve on it as well. We shall see.

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1 hour ago, Amazeballs said:

I guess it was overhyped. I dont see a point of getting one with such a shitty AF. Sigma is a bit heavier, gives better and stronger bokeh, better AF for video (!) and costs 500 $ used vs 2000 euro for this one (or 1800$ for lucky chaps in US). The price\efficiency ratio just doesnt cut it. Useless lens. 

Ok, used sigma + Viltrox adapter = 700$ ~ 1 kilo

But Sony FE Tamron 28-75 2.8 = 800$ and it gives better range, perfect AFC and weights TWICE less (550grams) then Sigma+booster combo. Year I know it Sony, but in terms of weights, price and specs it is very comparible if not favorable to Panasonic options

And Pana 10-27 - 1800-2000$ with its 700 grams in the middle. Mehh

Now I have even more reasons to switch to Sony (all thos wonderfull Tamron lenses).. waiting on that A7S3 duh

The only important thing Panasonic still wins over Sony in my bag - is its IBIS. But maybe Sony will improve on it as well. We shall see.

Why is the video C-AF so bad with the panasonic lens? Is it the camera (gh5?) or the cdaf that is failing? Or just bad AF from the lens? Can't understand why they didn't notice while designing/testing this lens.

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31 minutes ago, Avenger 2.0 said:

Why is the video C-AF so bad with the panasonic lens? Is it the camera (gh5?) or the cdaf that is failing? Or just bad AF from the lens? Can't understand why they didn't notice while designing/testing this lens.

I think there is something wrong with his lenAF test (wonky settings, bad lens, etc...)

Look at other reviews with this lens with the G9. The autofocus is great. So it leaves me scratching my head. I was going to buy but now not sure. I haven’t seen any other reviews of it with the GH5/S.

Hybrid shooter at the 5:10 mark for AF.

 

Gordan Lang’s hands on 19:00 for AF.

Update:

Here is one with the GH5S. It’s not s great test.

 

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That looks like a great general-purpose lens.  I really like that it goes wider than ~25mm FF equivalent - my second favourite lens is a 16mm FF equiv which gives those great wides.

If I could only own one lens then that one might be it, but of course, that's not the case, and I like fast primes :) 

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54 minutes ago, kye said:

That looks like a great general-purpose lens.  I really like that it goes wider than ~25mm FF equivalent - my second favourite lens is a 16mm FF equiv which gives those great wides.

If I could only own one lens then that one might be it, but of course, that's not the case, and I like fast primes :) 

Well the general consensus is that it is a wide zoom that can take the place of primes, like they said it would. The sharpness, distortion, and flares are extremely well controlled. It has an interesting focal range and a great aperture with pretty decent DoF for m4/3 especially at its longer focal range of 18-25.

I have a GH5S so it would be a 18-45 f1.7 (dof of f3) equivalent FF lens, which really isn’t that bad. This is when shooting 16:9 or 17:9 on the sensor.

Is it worth the premium over the sigma 18-35? That’s my dilemma now. The AF is good to very good when shooting 60p. Seems to be fair to good with 30p. And just OK with 24p.

Geralds video didn’t even exhibit AF 🤣 so not sure what was going on there. 

EDIT: I’ve decided to keep my preorder and do my own tests. I’ll post them here when I get around to it.

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10 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

Well the general consensus is that it is a wide zoom that can take the place of primes, like they said it would.

I guess that depends on what primes you have - it's definitely not a replacement for the f0.95 (or faster) primes available.

It's the FF equivalent of a 20-50mm F3.4 lens.  Will it be a flexible length? Absolutely.  Will it be a workhorse? Probably.  Will it be a "prime killer"?  Definitely not.

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14 hours ago, kye said:

I guess that depends on what primes you have - it's definitely not a replacement for the f0.95 (or faster) primes available.

It's the FF equivalent of a 20-50mm F3.4 lens.  Will it be a flexible length? Absolutely.  Will it be a workhorse? Probably.  Will it be a "prime killer"?  Definitely not.

Well, yes of course. That is among the fastest primes for any system.

The 20-50 on GH5 not on the GH5S when shooting 16:9 or 17:9.

the 10-20 1.7 will replace the 1.4 and 1.7 primes without much downside and more flexibility.

1.2 primes...eh. Maybe not. The 1.2s from Olympus are quite pleasing but also pricey. I’d still prefer the 10-25 for the flexibility.

Good thing about MFT we have lots of options 😌

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On 8/23/2019 at 3:34 PM, Video Hummus said:

Is it worth the premium over the sigma 18-35?

IMO not, but for a different reason that you might think - it's not EF. The amount of times I rented/borrowed my EF glass to friends, 2nd shooters and even rental places made the lens not only free but it also earned me some cash. 

 

The amount of times I was asked to borrow/rent m43 glass? zero 

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