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I got it from digital rev. 

Emanuel. Well in this case the mavic image is atrocious even when non zoomed trust me.

As for GoPro, try Protune with low sharpening and if you still think it looks shit.... Well. 

For me GoPro IQ > Phantom > Mavic. Mavic is a NO GO for video quality. I would get the Karma instead for a better ratio IQ/size

 

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All these action cameras are really bad comparing with even all these cheap mirrorless we are getting these days. They have to step up their game somehow (bigger sensor perhaps?). 

For amateurs, Mavic seems just fine (or amazing, depending one's perspective), for low budget semi-pro work, I guess GoPro offers better, and well tested image+a whole system to play with (gymbal, camera).

It seems that everyone has a drone for whatever production (weddings, to corporates, documentaries, hobbies, everything).

I am surely tempted to get one for the low budget jobs, but honestly, I would always prefer a specialist to come to do the job with an Inspire and a better than those cameras. Less money for me, but I am against the "do-it-all" approach of the 21st century (and the still going on financial crisis). I truly respect these kind of people, and I do the same to some degree, but sales-production-script-direction-camera-lighting-sound-editing-post production, is too much for one person to add to everything else. For not extremely low budget jobs I would prefer a 3 persons team, and probably drone/musician/After Effects small jobs.. and I am not a communist!

Does anyone know how the Sony X3000 compares to those in image quality? And is any other competitive drone around 1300$?

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9 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

All these action cameras are really bad comparing with even all these cheap mirrorless we are getting these days. They have to step up their game somehow (bigger sensor perhaps?). 

For amateurs, Mavic seems just fine (or amazing, depending one's perspective), for low budget semi-pro work, I guess GoPro offers better, and well tested image+a whole system to play with (gymbal, camera).

It seems that everyone has a drone for whatever production (weddings, to corporates, documentaries, hobbies, everything).

I am surely tempted to get one for the low budget jobs, but honestly, I would always prefer a specialist to come to do the job with an Inspire and a better than those cameras. Less money for me, but I am against the "do-it-all" approach of the 21st century (and the still going on financial crisis). I truly respect these kind of people, and I do the same to some degree, but sales-production-script-direction-camera-lighting-sound-editing-post production, is too much for one person to add to everything else. For not extremely low budget jobs I would prefer a 3 persons team, and probably drone/musician/After Effects small jobs.. and I am not a communist!

Does anyone know how the Sony X3000 compares to those in image quality? And is any other competitive drone around 1300$?

Andrew, your forum software should let us for multiple 'push the like button'... ;-)

There is... Interested people in such drone ready to fly, send me a private message... I guess me and my team we'll be able to supply to you one of those birds very soon :-)

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1 hour ago, wolf33d said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yes sure DJI killed GoPro. When you think GoPro 5 IQ > Phantom 4 and Phantom 4 vs Mavic looks like this (see image). Now I am curious about anyone interested in aerial video/photo buying this shit Maveric VS a Phantom or a Karma. That's an absolute fail. 

 

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They're both pretty shitty. Yeah DJI is softer. I mean this is entry level aerial equipment. I don't think anyone is counting on this to replace drones with a RED attached to it.

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+1 Emanuel!

Plus, just to conclude my thinking, when I started working, late 90's, everyone was concentraded on his trade, be it sound, be it camera, whatever, and we were investing accordingly. Today, things are getting cheaper, but the market requires, for even a very low budget production, a 800$ wedding let's say, or a 700$ small shop FB video, an interchangable lens camera, couple of lens, few OK led lights, whatever can do for sound, an action cam, a drone, a slider, a few more things (tripod/monopod/bags/batteries/cables/hard drives/computational power/editing amd pp software/memory cards/monitor/etch) and the budget is not adequate for another person to come help. Sorry for ranting, just some thoughts while preparing my bags for such a project!

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40 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:

They're both pretty shitty. Yeah DJI is softer. I mean this is entry level aerial equipment. I don't think anyone is counting on this to replace drones with a RED attached to it.

Are we sure that they have the same settings? Same sharpness applied?

They both look bad IMO but I have the impression that one is heavily sharpened and the mavic not.

A quick try in PS (small contrast boost and heavy sharpening) and they look similar (no details and tons of artifacts). Naturally sharpening a screen grab from a youtube video is not the best idea because you end up sharpening the compression artifacts too.

For a real comparison we would need both video with 0 sharpening applied and then we could tell more.

mav.jpg

 

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38 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

Naturally sharpening a screen grab from a youtube video is not the best idea because you end up sharpening the compression artifacts too.

 

LOL Definitely, quote of this thread!

My vote is on Mavic. Purchase, as well :-)

GoPro is the most horrid camera even before the Lumière brothers did their presentation!

No Protune saves the grace or its absence in pallid colors all the same from one side of spectrum to the other extreme. No idea why people dare to shoot on it other than personal stuff and a few shots as inserts when the magical hour cheats all of us...

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It also seems that the Mavic camera has some sort of autofocus based on the spec:

P4: FOV 94° 20 mm (35 mm format equivalent) f/2.8, focus at ∞
Mavic: FOV 78.8° 28 mm (35 mm format equivalent) f/2.2 Distortion < 1.5% Focus from 0.5 m to ∞
 

This can also cause some difference when comparing the two.

Before a real judgment I would wait from a more in depth review by somebody that knows how to compare cameras and understand all the variable in this process

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Yeah, I can see how that would work better for Casey, he's riding his board to the boulevard, stops to get a smoothie, let the drone follow him as he rides around. It's compact, it's smart. It might not have the best quality, but then again, he's shooting a Canon 80D for the ease of use, not for its steller image quality and sick features. Like I said... 'So the one platform is more of a social tool, like an enhanced selfie stick... that puts you in the moment, having something cool to show for... while something else might be more just to stun and wow'. He definitely falls more into the first category (else he'd be going around in a van with a Freely ALTA 8 w/ ALEXA Mini). I already said as well I thought the footage looked to fall short of the Zenmuse X3 and this really seems to be the case. So personally, I'd lean more towards the Karma system right now. But that's the beauty... a lot of whishes, a lot of different options. Mix 'n match. To each their own.

-- another video, this time Jon!

And it's smaller than her shoe!

 

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1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

GoPro is the most horrid camera even before the Lumière brothers did their presentation!No Protune saves the grace or its absence in pallid colors all the same from one side of spectrum to the other extreme. No idea why people dare to shoot on it other than personal stuff and a few shots as inserts when the magical hour cheats all of us...

All aerial in this video shot on GoPro 4. Get some sense in your head before saying shit ;)

 

 

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Yeah I have to say, the Mavic footage looks quite soft.. Why do you think that is? The bitrate is too low?

Still looks SUPER fun to fly though. Man, I really wish they coulda made the Karma with the size and some of the flight modes of the Mavic.. would be perfect!

 

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Cameras, drones, it's always the same thing... they have the oppertunity to make it the ultimate thing out there... but they all just focus on one aspect instead of doing it all. I guess that's what running a business is about... not neccessarily beating the competition, but doing something different and leaving room for improvement so you can sell another one at a later time. Ugh. Need more people like Elon Musk that try to push the boundaries of what is possible with technology.

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34 minutes ago, Cinegain said:

Cameras, drones, it's always the same thing... they have the oppertunity to make it the ultimate thing out there... but they all just focus on one aspect instead of doing it all. I guess that's what running a business is about... not neccessarily beating the competition, but doing something different and leaving room for improvement so you can sell another one at a later time. Ugh. Need more people like Elon Musk that try to push the boundaries of what is possible with technology.

This is very true...All i see is the same Sony sensor (with some minor differences) in a great variety of products like Phantom 4, GoPro, Mavic and even smartphones..but nobody has unlocked it's full potential. Dji has shitty compression (and dlog is a total joke), gopro has that ugly ultra-wide lens and smartphones are just smartphones...Sony's latest action cam gives us 100 mbps but there is not a f***ing drone made for it.

Anyway, it seems that karma has a better construction quality (mavic looks like transformers toy with cheap plastics) and better IQ, from what we have seen so far. But in linear mode you are stuck to 2.7K. I am hoping for a direct comparison between these too, a proper one because all these A versus B videos are usually made by amateurs and focus on silly things. 

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6 hours ago, Ki Rin said:

It looks like it would be really easy to break several of those folding parts... .

All drones are prone to break. I would think that the folded parts of the Mavic afford more protection during transport than the exposed blades of the Karma. And the reviewers have said that the Mavic feels solid. Solely from a design standpoint, I think the retractable arms/blades are one of the most clever solutions to making the drone compact.

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