Video Hummus

2 minutes ago, mercer said:

One of my next purchases is an M1 Mac... I cannot wait. Do you have a MacBook Pro?

M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max will eat H265 all day everyday. It's basically a non-issue for those computers. Just get as much RAM as you can afford.

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

Is it impossible to do DfD without the pulsing back and forth? Because even if they could just eliminate that, they'd go a LONG way with their critics when it comes to AF.

By definition Depth from Defocus (DfD) achieves focus by this pulsing of focus. I’m not sure you can completely eliminate it…except for…you know…using phase detection instead.

45 minutes ago, Roger said:

Interesting answer on the autofocus question by Panasonic's Matt Frazer.

Matt also had good answers on the livestream about how the fan is engineered. The fan doesn’t have a traditional motor and drive shaft but instead uses magnets to spin the fan from inside the case without any connection. Pretty neat.

5 minutes ago, PPNS said:

also expecting internal prores raw is goofy.

Why? It has hardware in it to do ProRes encoding. Not that much of a stretch to think ProRes RAW is in there too.

6 minutes ago, PPNS said:

has anyone tried to make anything resembling something a well lit and good looking short?

11 minutes ago, Caleb Genheimer said:

I know Gerald is apparently in vogue as the reviewer to bash, but honestly I got a lot more from his preview than from the others I watched (including Media Division).

 

1. He had that shot out a window that clearly and concisely showed the impact of engaging DR Boost

 

2. He whacked the camera around to show how good the RS performs

 

3. Sure, his “is dead” statement is clickbaity, but heck, he laments even having to drop a video at embargo lift. He knows what he’s doing, it’s just how it has to be done to a certain extent, and most importantly, if you pay attention to his justification for personally declaring that, HE’S RIGHT.

 

Anyone who follows sensor tech and the signal processing along with it will recognize that he gave grounded reasons. For what it is, the performance is incredible, but they can’t cheat the physics of smaller sensors. I think the GH6 will serve many serious creators well, just like every other GH before it, but we’re now at a juncture where Panasonic has larger sensors in the game as an alternative. On paper, I think what most (if not all) the reviewers have missed though is its strengths versus the S-Series, which fill in some (not all) gaps, making it a VERY attractive B-Cam. Most importantly, they’ve managed full V-Log, so matching should be a breeze. And secondly, where DR is M4/3’s Achilles Heel, RS is Full Frame’s! The GH6 has piles of VERY high quality HFR AND low rolling Shutter. 
 

If you have an S-Series body, and need a second camera, I think the GH6 adds more flexibility to your arsenal than a second S-Series body would.

I think he kinda missed the entire point.

It is fine to compare it to a FF camera competitor. I don't have a problem with that.

It is however kinda like comparing a compact suped up Hatchback to a sports car. Sure, it won't be as fast and have a bigger engine but people still really enjoy driving the hatchback for many reasons and thats the entire fucking point!

I honestly think the tone of the video was very weird. He was lamenting that a MFT camera wasn't a FF camera. He wasn't excited at all that a MFT camera could keep up with FF. He didn't even touch on the subject of what this kind of tech in a FF Panasonic camera could do. It was just this odd, apparently painful, review of a product. Why didn't he just objectively review it like all his other product reviews?

I think the ending was just painful to watch. Claiming MFT is dead FOR HIM and then titling his video with LAST MFT camera is just fucking ridiculous from Gerald and flys in the face of all his other great videos that don't have shitty clickbait titles like this one. I mean, what was he expecting?...The GH6 to fold out a FF sensor with 15 stops of dynamic range to best the mighty A7SIII?

Potato Jet did a much better job of just showing footage and comparing it to other cameras with excitement and objectivity. Gene was pretty excited it kept up with a A7SIII, which is amazing for a sensor that small.

Will I buy this camera? Probably not right now. But kudos to Panasonic for basically improving on almost all aspects of the GH5, including that damn DfD AF. It looks like they revamped the entire imaging pipeline from hardware to video file.

• Way better screen design
• Better lowlight
• Better highlight retention with DR boost (looks like a respectable 11.5 stops in H265 modes).
• Internal ProRes! (and I suspect ProRes RAW in future firmware)
• Improved IBIS performance in video (it looks damn good without very little wobble)
• Ability to punch-in zoom while recording
• 200 FPS in FHD with autofocus without VFR
• 48 FPS

I'm sure I'm missing a few. If it had PDAF I would be considering the GH6 over something like the R5C for sure.

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

I'm not as knowledgeable about sensors as a lot of folks are, but could it possibly be Samsung? Or is that dumb/unlikely?

I mean Samsung could be one of the few companies to make something like this. I'm not sure though. Hopefully someone with some knowledge can clear it up.

Also, in the official Lumix launch video Matt was talking about in the USA they will be offering free CFExpress Cards with preorders. He was very specific about telling people that the cards will support all recording formats (so it isn't some cheap card) and all FUTURE recording formats that are coming and he was hinting that there was more to come. He also misspoke about being able to shoot ProRes RAW and then caught himself.

I honestly think this camera is going to get Internal ProRes RAW recording in firmware update down the line.

24 minutes ago, kye said:

If it is a BSI sensor - what advantages would that have?

At 25MP the pixel pitch is quite small so I would assume BSI would help here by increasing surface area on sensor to capture light.

Not sure if it is a stacked design or not.

It is a very interesting development if it turns out not to be manufactured by Sony. Sony doesn’t have any cameras with the dual gain simultaneously readout. Makes me think there is an association/collaboration with Canon or whoever makes ARRI sensor. 

6 minutes ago, hoodlum said:

Panasonic's excuse for not implementing PDAF seemed quite poor and hard to believe.

 

Yeah, I honestly had my mouth open the whole time in disbelief that they were running with that line again. Oh, well. 

1 hour ago, Robb said:

Here you go!

 

Media Division got early access, watching now

 

https://youtu.be/jUd_I8Z3Iqw

 

 

I encourage everyone to watch Media Division.

Gerald's video has a very weird tone. I can't tell if he is sad its not a FF Sony camera or that he knows he just burnt his relationship with Panasonic? Very different from his usual product tours and testing of other cameras. Oh well. Media division did an awesome job actually using the camera and telling us about its features and problems.

@Andrew Reid what are your thoughts with it so far?

21 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

They want to say Sony didn't pay us to choose Sony. 

Kinda smells this way. Just like YouTubers getting thousands of dollars of free gear and say they aren't getting paid! They then openly resell it on eBay. Total bullshit.

6 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

HD 240fps is oversharpened

It is.

3 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

The Olympus/OM Systems UK rep myself and several other potential customers were talking to yesterday said Oly/OM had already sold all of the first (March) shipment into the UK of OM-1 bodies (and most of the body+lens kits).

I suspect a lot of those are sales to existing Oly owners upgrading (as you would expect) but hopefully this bodes well for future sales.

I'm honestly wondering if the name, OM-1 and also it being said as being the last camera with the Olympus badge on the front is helping to sell it. Kinda sad knowing this, but also makes me want to have it as a MFT option for shits and giggles.

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Decision made: S1H + S5 (plus some lenses) outbound, pair of OM-1's inbound.

Nice! Looking forward to hearing your experience with the OM-1.

From what I have seen, the video AF on the OM-1 is pretty solid. Honestly, the OM-1 has been made 3x more interesting BECAUSE Panasonic didn't put PDAF in the GH6. It's still a pulsing mess from the leaked video.

I still think OM Systems could capitalize on this by releasing a more video focused camera that has PDAF. I'm sure a lot of GH5 users would take notice.

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

I wish the camera companies would recognise the importance of this mechanism and put it in.

Canon C70 manages it.

FS5 does it.

It's the Japanese obsession with small widgets that stops it from going into mirrorless cameras.

Just make them 10% bigger and be done with it.

I bet if they just took the S1H body, swapped the sensor with MFT one, and removed the shutter they would have plenty of room for a ND. Call it the GH6S. It would probably sell like crazy.

13 minutes ago, kye said:

Is there room in an MFT mount for an eND?  I have no idea how thick those things are.

Canon has a physical ND in the 20mm RF flange of C70. I think its pretty clear they can put NDs (especially an eND) into typical mirrorless flange distances when the shutter is removed.

Sony will do it first.

21 minutes ago, bjohn said:

It was Jane Bown's camera too: https://www.anatomyfilms.com/jane-bown-65-years-with-olympus/

I've been a Jane Bown fan forever, and it's worth reading the article to learn about her minimalist approach: she took some of the most memorable portraits of the 20th century, all with natural light (she never carried a flash), never used a light meter, and brought her two cameras (one with a Zuiko 50mm and the other with a Zuiko 85mm) to her shoots in a shopping bag.

Great article. Thank you for sharing. I really admire her no fuss process. Very refreshing and inspiring in todays tech obsessed gear shit show.

On 2/17/2022 at 4:54 AM, Mmmbeats said:

I think the ARRI / Canon method is basically a frame blend too.  They've just done a much, much better job of marketing it!

Well the DGO method is using hardware and the other method is doing two different exposures at different shutter speeds and then blending them. I think ZCAM tried to do this and this is also what phones are doing with fast shutter speeds and fast readouts (looks bad in my opinion).

OM-1 is launched. It's a homage of sorts to the film OM-1 from Olympus. It's a great M43 photography camera for landscapes, wildlife, adventure travel photography.

Now launch "OM-1X" pivoted from a pro level MFT sports body (dead market) to pro level video body with new and improved 12-35, 35-100 F/2 43rd lenses revamped and redesigned for MFT. Focus on practical video focused utilities like:

• false color
• waveforms
• LOG
• great look and feel of image

Hit the few key specs like oversampled 4K up to 120p, PDAF, 10-bit, no overheating or record limits. Push unique Olympus features like enhanced IBIS modes and live IBIS feedback assist tools for video.

8 hours ago, Amazeballs said:

Ok, let's do a fact check on this one. MFT vs FF.

1. Olympus 12-100 f4 - 1300$

1. Tamron 28-200 f2.8-5.6 - 729$. Same weight.. but in terms of m43 it has f1.2-2.8 aperture! And its almost half the fricking price! Nice macro capabilities as well. 

Not exactly the same but I see your point. 

All I can think about is imagining this camera with the OM-1 autofocus and how good it would be even at $2500.

Love the tilt OR flip screen. Can they license that to Sony in exchange for PDAF please? 😂

5 hours ago, Mmmbeats said:

Isn't this extremely similar to how Canon DGO (or Arri equivalent) works?

I believe the ARRI and Canon DGO method is reading two gain circuits at the same time.

Kinda sounds like they are doing frame blending from a super fast readout.

17 minutes ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

the last one is a joke, IP53 is not rated for volcano swimming)

That’s IP666

18 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I think it is suicide at the price point they have. Even 2K sounds a bit high.

I agree, it is a bit pricey. There is savings in the lenses that should be taken into account.

I think a OM-1 + 12-100 f/4 + 7-14mm f/2.8 would make a sweet, light kit for people adventuring or want a light setup.

2 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

This cannot be understated in terms of build quality. Another way to read it from the other manufacturers is: "Sure, we have a weather-sealed camera, just don't use it as a weather-sealed camera." I still remember the imaging resource tests of the "weather-sealed" options from Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Olympus. Olympus E-M1 ii was great and it still didn't even have the rating then. The Sony A7r iii did the worst (must have been the camera's consumer electronics heritage). Now, all the E-M1 iii, E-M1x, E-M5 iii, and OM-1 cameras have IPX or IP53 ratings.

I believe they rated the EM1X as IPX1 which is still essentially a really low rating and still gives them an out on the warranty of use.

IP53 on the other hand is a guarantee this thing could handle blowing rain from multiple angles and it won't get damaged and they stand behind that claim and not some vague "weather sealed" (unless you something more than a sprinkle of rain gets on it) kinda of BS.

This guy gets it.

DPReview...well...

52 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

contrast vs phase IMO, but simply one of whether it works or not that is the issue.

Nailed it. They can maybe get away with DfD in the GH6 but if their next FF S-series camera does not offer a major upgrade to AF reliability, consistency, and performance then I am of the opinion LUMIX will be on its way out. We now have cheaper cinema level cameras available with less need to buy something like the S1H for cheaper and put up with its limitations. Other video people, driven mostly my YT'ers, will buy something with amazing AF like a Sony or Canon, and maybe even Fuji.

It is literally the only feature that matters for them. They have all the rest. But it will remain a mystery why they don't put PDAF in their cameras.

At this point it would make a good investigative documentary.