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24 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Dziga Vartov was supported by the whole communist system doing their propagands. He had hundrends of people working under him.

Same as Riefenstahl. The whole system working for them.

 

Oh no... Maybe you are thinking about Sergei Eisenstein? Dziga Vertov filmed Man with the Movie Camera in exile in Ukraina  after he lost job in central Sovkino at Moscow because of criticism of mainstream line of Party (he than refused to make pure propaganda approach of Advertising and the Soviet Universe for the State Trade Organization). But because of success of it - yes, they hired him again and made mutual creative parthership  

29 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah but had a crew of thousands, not really, but you get the point, to help him out. Hell All he did was direct, maybe stick his face in the viewfinder every once in awhile. He didn't do Everything like the average person has to do, they do all of it, or maybe have your crazy uncle hold a boom mike, the easy part. ?

Actually, Dziga Vertov was all alone (I'd dare to try after your leading: alone as ass of hell?)

21 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I can tell you from experience when you start doing this stuff for money you spend one hell of a lot of nights awake. You are into a business that mostly on paper you have ONE shot at doing it. And if Anything is off by a good bit your goose is cooked no matter what you do to try and repair it, either in Post or with the Client. And there is always some talented as hell 16 year old kid down the street that is nipping at your heals. Because now they can get in pretty cheap at the start and look like a shooting star to you and your clients lol. Now it pretty much boils down to who screws up less, and has the better ideas. That is what keeps you up at night, because that is an unsustainable career path to always be better.

Just do this as a hobby and be happy, or work for someone else lol. YOU might live longer if you do.

Yes, well, me personally more and more did this (but with luxury to choose) stuff for money  But it doesn't matter... Recently I watched again some De Sica's movies - what a richness and uncanny taste in framing with his than-a-days modest BW cameras! What perfection in evolving scripts through language of visual evocation of emotions! What a usage of perspective plans with totally absence of shallow DOF! Whole give-me-just-Alexa-color-science-and-nothing-else and flying crans mumbo-jumbo are smashed to trash in front of mind that experienced, suffered and searched enough and have something to convey about it... Excuse me for digression, back to the topic: De Sica, or even Dziga Vertov, had not any gimbal, but shoulders are always with us

29 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah I would spend my money on a Zacuto Gratical HD LCD with a shoulder rig over a 7" monitor and the MX. Now if you have a crew looking over your shoulder, or you are looking over their shoulder lol, than I can see the 7" monitor. But man looking though a high end eyepiece is pure joy over an external monitor, especially outside.

The big trouble is you probably need to have both, and that is why doing video is so damn God Damn expensive if you want to get serious about it. That is why I got out of it years ago, there is no end to the money you really Need to spend to stay competitive. And now with new stuff coming out every week that is actually better than what you got, it is a death Sentence now to do it. You are Always going to feel behind. Because lets be honest, this newer stuff is just flat easier to use. Manual everything is a pain in the ass when you are rushed, or tired, or frustrated, or worse, unsure of yourself in the job you are undertaking. Man now that is when it is some scary shit.. And that will, and does happen when big money is on the line from a client.

Yes, but, from the other side, as pretty serious intruder from plethora of creative realms, I'm so often shocked how "shallow", one-dimensional and lacking of (time and knowledge and inner peace for) truly original perception/ideas are people strictly learned for film making... And how restricted are with their instruments, as fundamentally deprived in capability for play, for empathy, for seeing different angles and perspectives...

What I deeply regret is that I saw such enormously talented men and women at vimeo, with some so deeply original ideas and concepts that are high above of resulting artistic level (or lack of it) of regular movie productions... but those talented people, being poor and outside of mainstream connection, will stay forever anonymous

15 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Maybe you just need to add more weight and come up with a good shoulder Rig and be done with it.

I'd friendly second that regarding your demands - type of shooting with focus pull system and 7inch monitor doesn't call for relative advantages that might afford gimbal (more appropriate for lighter camera-lens combination). It could be too clumsy to move and operate, paying equal attention to focusing, proper gymbal operation, hands movements, you will easily loose spontaneity and concentration on shot. If a gimbal is the must - than better search for such that could be somehow fix to the body, as some sort of added extremity  Once again, I think that goal shouldn't be deadly non-shaking slide, but how to achieve natural movements - and get corresponding natural looking footage - without too distraction. 

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

I would kill one of you, to have a P4K with the XC form factor!

Now you give idea/courage to BM for immediately starting new (super advance) page of their so successful timemachine advertising solution: "Don't kill anybody, instead save a life and be the first in preorder list fok P4K II, available as soon as spring 2023".

6 hours ago, Jimmy G said:

I'm not sure if the following sequence adds anything to the "organic-looking" dialog here 

Not for me... actually, reading one after another this one and topic about new Sharp 8k camera, given examples have very similar look to me.

I use this for 12V output (Atomos, BM etc) with big Sony NP batteries

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/900546-REG/ikan_BMC_PWR_PW_S_Blackmagic_DV_Top.html

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Barney at DPReview is obviously fine with depriving his readers with access to more knowledge, to settle a personal dispute. 3 years of the ban now and it is starting to really get me down.

Now being interested, I visited dpreview site with great curiosity and without prejudice, and made three main personal, of course ingenious, conclusions:

1) out of web-business matter (about which I have zero competency) you really have full right to stay with smile high above and to be proud on superior look and feel of EOSHD - dpreview is so cluttered with all-over-the-place advertising messages that so obviously eat space for exchanging information and free communication: in comparison to EOSHD, visitor there inevitably has to have feeling of being squeezed in auxiliary rooms (contrary, here, not at least as side-curative effect, members have so clean, reverberating space for intoxicated listening of themselves when easily calling similar enthusiasts as clowns, idiots etc.) Simply, it is hard to stay at Dpreview too long and not to be either bored or afraid of too well-known supermarket claustrophobia

2) being so intrusively obliged to sponsors and so-so trying to find impossible balance between two contradictory, mutually exclusive tasks (serving as unbiased discussion portal under the permanent rafal of persuading ads and enumeration voting) - psychologically it is very hard to owner(s) of dpreview not to hear some inner voices of restless bad-conscience against character of purity of EOSHD, especially if once upon a time you knew each other or started from similar idealistic roots... so

3) I'd say owner(s) of dpreview simply envy you

(At least, I'd surely envy if I'm in his/their place, and if I'm not so notorious, hopelessly ignorant clown  :)

1 hour ago, kye said:

Anyway, those DPreview people...  am I right? ???

I don't know anything about DPreview, but I must admit that Chris and Jordan look to me as the most polite, measured, unpretentious, but still with touch of nice humor, reviewers on YT that I have patient to watch occasionally. Even their quasi muppetshow mutual friendliness is cute to me - out of aggressively and vulgar shouting "Hey what's up guys" or different kinds of sticky affectation... But I think they are just from recently members of DPreview.

Actually, what I really miss in my infantile imagination is - how to abridge dispersion all around the world of us, members of EOSHD... It'll be so nice that some of us, willing to play and participate, form several geographically-based teams with agreement about competitive goal to make some artistic short movies. Maybe just as in NBA - USA vs other world, or vs UK vs Middle-South Europe vs Scandinavians vs FarEast vs Ozzies&comp etc.

In my dream it would be so cool and pretty picturesque scenery to, say, meet Mercer/webruner duo at battlefield with Kisaha's 4x2 NX1 revolvers or Django's collection of canons...  And I just hope that such idealistic creative duels would not turn out in brutal realistic question that pursues me even in the dream : what camera has most cinematic look?

5 hours ago, AlexTrinder96 said:

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing

shot with the Laowa 7.5mm F2 MFT

Just look how to rig camera  started at 4:48 - and yes, it seems that it was possible just with BMMCC+Laowa 7.5mm 

I need too much time to find topic about BMMCC, so sorry for posting here, but maybe it could be useful as another example of what BM cameras and especially BMMCC are capable for, or as comparison with Pocket 4k.

Laowa 7.5 in stock for great (for European buyers) discount at eglobal

https://www.eglobalcentraluk.com/laowa-7.5mm-f-2-mft-objektiv-fur-micro-four-thirds-mount-schwarz.html

More and more I see evolution of m43 and comparative possibility of format especially for video/moviemaking, I am more firmly in bizarre opinion that in the future matter of question will be - does the FF mirrorless will be dead  Big FF fish will eat each other market autistically looking at their Bokeh, desperately trying to catch speedy  little m43 fish with sharp or cinematic teeth... (Medium format Orka's bokeh are also coming.)

Little bit of fast fun playing with GHa lut, being bored in horrible circumstances at one of the lost nights in my life... or testing if I could catch that non-understandable selphie generation  (Tiny Wess Anderson's color touch is intentional.)  

1 hour ago, KnightsFan said:

Every single person who makes money rotoscoping, motion tracking, or really ANY job can be put out of work by an algorithm overnight. 

Yes, ironically, it seems that works that are involving highest level of man's knowledge will suffer the most. But, it would be simply great, if such liberation will be followed with more space for creativity... Alas, I see quite contrary - for example, just few days ago I spent a day with nice operative board stuff (DP, director, production manager etc) from most powerful movie/video producing house in my country, between lines trying to provide more interests for some artsy movie under mine conducting. Experience was pretty sad - they have, I quote from portfolio: "Cameras ( Phantom Flex, ARRI Alexa LF, Alexa SXT, Alexa Mini...), Lenses (Master Anamorphics, Signature Primes, Kowa Anamorphics, Cooke S4i, Super Baltars,ARRI UltraPrimes, ARRI Master Primes, ARRI CompactPrimes, ARRI Alura Zooms, ARRI Master Macro, Optimo zooms etc...)", but for ideas, vision, for any sort of metaphysics spark or goals they simply have no neither time, neither - it seems - any profound need. How bizarre moment in history: all superhuman instruments at disposal - around ultimate banality and emptiness in human mind...

Level of integration of AI and machine learning in today's high end softwares looks to me unbelievable and almost scary. Yet not in Fusion, but it seems just matter of time when F. will also incorporate possibility of AI software-driven 3d data from moving footage! So, all the knowledge and hours and hours of extremely tedious learning curve (also mine) needed for simulate-recreate 3D space from 2D footage very soon will be past. Or, even not soon, but now starting, as it seems from new Flame 2020 promo...

https://digitalmediaworld.tv/vfx/2340-autodesk-flame-2020-accelerates-vfx-workflows-with-machine-learning

(In its simplest application for, say, cinematography, just imagine what does it mean for simple background blur manipulation... )

Oh no, my point is not at all that 4k is "not relevant", but rather that 2k is not irrelevant or that is still enough relevant  Actually, my base point was that pretty all bluray disks are still 1080p distributed, so it seems to me that that speaks something about usability of that resolution - but I could be wrong.

Regarding BlackK, I just read data that final digital conversion is 2k (not - just to supplement your nice little educational explanation of process of converting analogue to digital - digitally "scanned" in 4k or 6/8k).... which is pretty obvious from picture characteristics, which is noticeably on softer side, but... for Hollywood obviously still relevant, so it will be the same still for a while for little-mouse-of-myself  

It is obvious from posted link, as also that has 2k as digital Intermediate master format.

Will I say something too stupid if remind that 1080p will be enough till mostly all bluray distribution of best movies use  that format? So, although shooting also in 4k when must, I'm in general with Mattias  

I saw that even BlacKKlansman has 2k as master format:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7349662/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

So, I say to myself: if it is enough for Hollywood and Spike Lee, it will be also for me!

We just wait that Resolve bring bezier free-defined option to patch replacement effect...

@Jonesy Jones

It might be pretty applicable irony for someone, but actually somebody here post ambitious comparison between Arri and P4K asking for comments and, as it seems, seriously calling to acclamation agreement that they are extremely similar. Me, personally, unfortunately and in spite to my wish, had to admit that for me they don't look so close as I expected, at least at concrete case... judging about traits that I not invented, but found here as usually pointed and quoted as proof of close quality (and, I'm sure, used by yourself also in commenting some other topic). As I understand, most of us here will be glad to the highest degree to buy P4K immediately if we could, but I can't pretend that in given example - and from whatever reason - it really looks to me and on my laptop screen as easy-to-match given Arri side-by-side results. Alas, they don't - but probably I'm wrong and curse just to my own modest angle and capacity of view.

It seems to me that somebody has to be little bit silly not to highly esteem and praise BM achievement with P4K, but why it is so bad if some other (obviously) long time admirers and users of BM products express some kind of reservation over some results - when it is clear that indeed BM makes pretty distinctive decisions? Is it the must for of all us to - being faced with her majesty P4K - use exclusively expressions type of high-suspense emotional connection, of being-professionally-reborn, of inner-mind revolution and revelation, of heavenly adoration and consciousness of turning point in aesthetic history 

34 minutes ago, majoraxis said:

What I was most impressed with is that BRAW did not seem to show objectionable softness due to the (b)raw "processing", which is of course a contradiction of terms.

I'm afraid that there could be some sharpening compensation at work to neutralize such compression softness?

Actually, and BTW regarding last question X vs Arri, why not to cheer here also remarkable achievement of our great com-eoshd member Sage