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Being astonished how it is possible to make so wildly uncontrolled and non-professional test about topic and some questions aroused from this thread - and still called yourself professional...

5 hours ago, kye said:

The GH6 could be $1 and have 8K 16-bit RAW with integrated drone and I wouldn't feel bad about my GH5 at all.  My only stress now is buying lenses - there are so many and I want to have all of them!

Friendly advice - but hardly it doesn't already in your mind: stay with Voigtlanders of choice, because you'll always come back to them after excursion in the realm of vintage lenses (Voigts have best  combination of vintage/clear-modern traits). Than, slowly spare money for Fujinon MK zoom (or best Leica R zoom with speedbooster 28-90 - zeiss contax 28-85 as cheap alternative): firstly, it is much better to make dreaming for perfection  longer,  and secondly, your kind of commitment simply deserves and logically aims just for the best (still inside of the boundaries of achievable). 

10 hours ago, kye said:

Cropping in and panning / tilting / Ken Burns-ing is a digital simulation of a fixed position camera movement, like a fluid-head on a tripod.  The difference is that you don't get the depth effects of the foreground moving differently to the background.  If there's a movement towards or away from the subject then you also get a change in how out-of-focus the background is.

Actually, that is base task for compositor's seat in studio, being it with Nuke or Fusion - extracting and playing with plans, paralax projections and z-plates in 3D space

But, of course, filming and moving on fresh air, dancing with camera instead of sitting in twilight-zone of vfx room, is much better and natural solution!

26 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

If I was shopping for my hybrid cameras I would have gone Weebill for sure. Ronin is just overkill.

Funny, as for any other gimbal, reviews fall in totally opposite parks  Even weight is not firm objective fact... So gimbals are really strange birds.

@Kisaha

Finally someone to whom I can completely believe  Please, share here your experiences with Ronin S ASAP - I had just Crane 2 and sold it, so I'm also in process of evaluating maybe another gimbal...

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

I see here the DJI has a much nicer movement. What do you people think?

 

I had never see so much general disagreement between reviewer as in the case of gimbals. From most positive to most negative comments, from one to another as best or flop. It seems that market is very tight and too much players in it so struggle and youtube presentation of duels are very harsh and... contradict.

22 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I saved you also. Your welcome. Ungrateful people, wow. And I told you I don't drink. Silly rabbit.

Indeed, it is obvious that you must feel like mr Savior.

On 1/8/2019 at 6:49 AM, webrunner5 said:

Helped Make it a safer world so you could be on here.

Wow, tell us more - how much barrel of beer or something more sophisticated used in front of cable TV is needed first to believe in, thеn to casually spread this American peacemaker's nonsense?

2 hours ago, @yan_berthemy_photography said:

Hi there,

 

just got my GH5, one question, I would like to use In-body stabilization, will in body stabilization this crop the image? 

Using 4k, I know it will crop, but if I add the in body stabilization, will it crop also?

 

Thanks.

There's no crop with just sensor stabilization, even in 4K. 

Grey market of course, but with internal guaranty period (Panamoz, for example, even give three years on cameras buying). Till now I bought several products from eglobalcentral, including Zhiun Crane 2 or Voigtlander 42.5, shipping and service were perfect.   But at the moment, actually, eglobal is in its top price period... wait few weeks and discount will be much better (usually additional 3-5%). E-infin is Hong Kong base, so also without additional VAT to pay in UK as eglobal (which is UK registered as Panamoz) - i. e. paying price is always that you see listed.

„Problem“ with BM price in UK is that never existed grey market for them - and what is dollar in US is pound in UK, so official price is 1300GBP... so, for extremely spare buyers - or those that simply can't count to easy make usage of warranty (there's no nearby services etc. ) difference between, say, Pocket 4K and GH5s even now is not so big (especially in Europe) as it seems judging from officially announced. Moreover, we have to wait to Pocket 4k for months, and who knows what will be than price for GH5s... 

From my experience with BM cameras (had several), to the moment they were far more fragile than Panasonic's. Actually, one of the reason I often bought and resold them and again bought was afraid to keep them too long, expecting technical problems. I don't know how better is Pocket 4k in that regard, but that's also factor to be count... Of course, not so much in countries where servicing is easy task...

If somebody is still interested after all these compliments to Pocket4k, I have good experience with e-infin... that's the best deal at the moment for GH5s that I've found in Europe (through  holidays price somewhere were droped to 1425 GBP). Unfortunatelly, it seems impossible to expect Pocket4K in Europe earlier than several month period. To buy it now, price in UK is 3000GBP.

https://www.e-infin.com/uk/item/3545/panasonic_lumix_dc-gh5s_mirrorless_micro_four_thirds_digital_camera

Best price I found for Ronin S is at eglobal, and occasionally it is lower, about 450 GBP

https://www.eglobalcentraluk.com/dji-ronin-s-3-axis-single-handled-gimbal-for-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras.html

6 hours ago, kye said:

...which is what all this fussing with cameras is ultimately for, right? ?

Unfortunately, I'm not (ultimately) in that camp... As far as I can recognize it, for me all this fussing with cameras has, at the end, two - strangely  and maybe interestingly - two complete opposite but convergent goals: escape from loneliness and escape to loneliness - or, better to say, creative solitude.

So, cameras with their specifics for me are ultimately  tools that help me to find a peace in that creative shelter with least amount of distraction. Saying that, with due respect for any camera's combination of virtues and isolated advantages, besides appropriate aesthetic image BM cameras were greatest for me because of providing me the best opportunity to forget to annoying WB set up... As much as GH5 (with help of GHa lut) is greatest for me because of, besides enough appropriate image, provides me the best possibility to forget to annoying antishaking set up. And when I said "aesthetic appropriate image", I mean, of course, to opportunity to dive as much as possible into wonderful solitude world of grading...

... and to wait for someone noble to join me in that world and break my solitude of an filming/dreaming/sleeping beauty (or, well, the pretty ugly beast).

@leslie I'm referring to clip above and its creator who entitled his work "Why I sold my P4K"... I mean, I asked not (just) for new camera from the store, but more if someone by chance saw it on some hot auction in UK. One friend of mine is there at the moment, so...

5 minutes ago, leslie said:

if it is they should immediately ship it out here to fill my back order ?

I see... so community of disappointed P4K buyers and fond lovers of previous BM color science looks pretty small or timid!

I suppose to may guess answer, but still have to check: does anybody know if somewhere in UK Pocket4K is in stock for immediately buying?

I'd say, for your usage is better to go with GH3. Far better build, battery last forever and is the same for GH4-5, clip codec and container is readable in all video editor (GH2 clips you have to convert for using in Resolve).

Although, image quality from last Panasonic-made (multiaspect) sensor used in GH2 is nicer, more pleasant, more "organic," less crop (x1.86 instead x2) less sharpened with great hack variation contributions.

But, all in all as workhorse tool, GH3 is more modern as multi purpose and more robust camera.  Codes is also pretty solid and well matched with vintage lenses.

Nicely done and seriously looking...

Interesting different (reverse) acquisition approach

Thanks for explanation - yes, exactly.

12 hours ago, kye said:

Interesting to hear you prefer the Voits over the Leica / Contax lenses.  What is it about them that you prefer?

 

Both lines are equally exceptional - just matter of taste and actual task which to prefer: milky and smoother Leica R's, or touch sharper and cotrastier Contax's. (And what is more interesting, their color characteristic are so deeply inner, that no matter how long I tried, for me it is impossible to achieve exactly the same character in grading process.) When I say "exceptional", I mean mostly mechanic quality and manual focusing precision. After 20 or so year, there's no rule which is better in that regard. When they were both young, I'd say that in general Leica's are tad better. But, contrary, I'd see more Contax's in well shape than Leica's. Also Contax has 60mm 1:1 macro, Leica R not, but Leica R has beautiful and not so expensive 28-70, while Contax has those exceptional and bulky push-pull zooms. Ah, indeed not to much lucky with zooms for m43 users!

But, Vogitlanders for m43 IMO have traits of both character at different f values. (Some sort of m43 Cooks I'd even say.) Voigts rendering is also bit or two cleaner than Leica R and Contax which I had (you always have to calculate and age). In fact, as FF Voigtlanders are competitive both to Leica M and modern Zeiss lenses, it seems that these m43 variants have extremely successful combination of both know-how origin of competitiveness - besides it that actually the same factory Cosina products them and modern Zeiss.

Of course, It's easy to understand question and worry about reselling value - but, once I understood that I'm working now, and that nothing better with tasks that I may encounter in near future doesn't need anything "better' or, to be truth, "more impressive to client" ... I choose to invest and keep those wonderful Voigts as best tools for me now.

You know, lenses are more as human with character - when you find real one friend, than it's not so nice to think how to resell them later

Their 0.95 for movies are better than Leicas and Zeiss 1.4 or 2 with speedbooster. People who point to 0.95 softness just don't use them correctly: there are always curvature to which have to pay attention. Their construction is well thought to achieve completely effective image at one zone of focusing. Better is impossible. Actually they are better than Leica Noctilux.

I also conceived that, actually, I didn't like more optics and more complication with adapters.

What people maybe often tend to forget is that - f0.95 is really T1.1 in the light gathering, but in depth of field it is not THAT uncontrolled shallow for video. So, having lenses that gather T1 and has depth of field of FF 1.8 value is fantastic and simple not existing in FF lenses world. Sigma Art's with speedbooster and some Milvus may be close - but I had also 18-35 twice and resell them because of sterile-and-oversharpening-undersmoothness in character (although unbeatable as run/gun tools), and Milvus have double price of Voigts.

Furthermore, Voigts with, say, GH5 (especially with Sage's lut),  mostly  diminished importance of GH5s for low light, still keeping stabilization.   

Shortly - maybe the main point is mine decision: living in afraid and permament recalculation of reselling and re-usage regarding money values, or learn inside-out best tools for my tasks. And I think there's no dilema: Voigts and Pocket and GHx series and probably Olympus or JVC etc. - at the moment produce image so competent that approach maximum level that human eyes can perceive, nothing to say about even more importancy of content, of inner beauty and aesthetic of respectable works.

The same goes with Fuji or Sony - but for reason that is needless to repeat, my choice is m43 and Voigtlanders as lenses that IMO squeeze every drop of know-how and a la cameleon exchangeable artistic qualities

Maybe I could provide some information if you are interested for something specific and comparison opinion?

Namely, I had and thoroughly tested Leica R and Zeiss Contax line of 4-5 lenses as also compared them with Voigts for usage on GHx cameras. Results - gradually I sold of Leica R's and at the moment keep just Distagon 35 1.4 for the case of buying some FF camera. But, actually, I put in the market even that Distagon and have potential buyer for 850e

I keep Voigts 10.5, 17.5 and 42.5

(Simply, from my experience, m43 cameras are all in all - regarding equally all aspects - today best tools for indie and fast moving film making. I'm not at all bother about future - actually, I think there will be no "future" in sense of importancy of technical progression and better tools. Similar to, say, audio equipment. Now we are horribly lacking vision, imagination, deepness and - IMO - taste. To proceed with comparison - we lack Mahler and Shostakovich and their kind of experience, not capable instruments to play and to reproduce.)

This was three days urgent task to imagine story, shot, choose music and compose with other material arround and make birthday gift for one local actress. I had just few her photos and old tv shots from facebook and  our or two to shot several additional shots. So, result with wonderful Resolve 15 and by-myself-modified verses of Louis Aragon ... I'd like to see more examples and techniques, so that's maybe separate thread is not redundant?

I'm going to tell you a great secret

You are time
Time is a woman

It needs
To be fawned over and bowed down to
Time like a dress to be undone
Time like endless tresses
Combed
A mirror misted and demisted by breath
You are time asleep at dawn when I rise
You're time like a knife across my gullet
O how I am unable to tell this torment of time unpassing
This torment of time halted like blood in blue vessels
Far worse than desire forever unmet
Than the thirst of the eye when you walk into the room
And my knowing not to break the spell
Far worse than feeling you a stranger
Fleeing
Your mind elsewhere and your heart already in a different century
My God how words are heavy That's what it's all about then
My love beyond pleasure my love out of reach today unattained
You swat at my clock temples
And if you fail to breathe I suffocate
And on my flesh your step waits and comes to rest

I'm going to tell you a great secret Every word
On my lips is stricken with poverty, begging
A trifle for your hands something glowing black below your stare
And this is why I say so often that I love you
For lack of a crystal clear enough of a phrase you'd place around your neck
Don't mind the baseness of my language It is
Plain water making that awful noise in the fire

I'm going to tell you a great secret I don't know how
To speak of the time you seem to be
I don't know how to speak of you I make believe
Like those who remain so long on the platform in the station
Waving their hands after the trains have left
The wrist fading out under the new weight of tears

I'm going to tell you a great secret I fear you
Fear what goes with you to the window in the evening
The gestures you make with unsaid words
I fear time rapid and slow I fear you
I'm going to tell you a great secret Close the doors
It's easier to die than to love
That's why I take such pains to go on living
My love

Resolve 15, but not so about grading, but composing - not to open separate thread, this was three days urgent task to imagine story and make birthday gift for one local actress. I had just few photos from facebook and one our to shot several additional shots. So, result with wonderful Resolve 15 and by-myself-modified verses of Louis Aragon ...