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2 minutes ago, Myownfriend said:

Why would they do that?

Idk, so far from what I've seen, I prefer the S16mm look from the older sensor. The new camera has a more modern, video look to it (it looks good and crisp and clean) but the OG Pocket/Micro had a different aesthetic that I prefer.

1 minute ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Groan.

Ugh.

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Just now, mercer said:

Idk, so far from what I've seen, I prefer the S16mm look from the older sensor. The new camera has a more modern, video look to it (it looks good and crisp and clean) but the OG Pocket/Micro had a different aesthetic that I prefer.

Maybe wait until this camera comes out and they're actually juxtaposed. You may even be able to use the CST plugin to make Pocket 4K look like original Pocket footage and then you just grade from there.

BMD isn''t going to release anything that shoots less than 4K now and Fairchild doesn't make any 4K S16 or 4/3 sensors.

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4 minutes ago, Myownfriend said:

Maybe wait until this camera comes out and they're actually juxtaposed. You may even be able to use the CST plugin to make Pocket 4K look like original Pocket footage and then you just grade from there.

BMD isn''t going to release anything that shoots less than 4K now and Fairchild doesn't make any 4K S16 or 4/3 sensors.

All the videos look good, I was just expecting something different.

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25 minutes ago, mercer said:

All the videos look good, I was just expecting something different.

I kinda don't get what you're saying.

What BM is delivering is more difficult to achieve (not necessarily better). The 'aesthetic' some are looking for I think will be easily attainable. I do think it would behoove BM to let Olan Collardy shoot and grade a short piece. I GUARA-FRIGGIN-TEE everyone's perception of the 'look' will suddenly shift massively. 

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Yeah, I guess the original produced somewhat footage that I'd call 'flat with character'. That gave it a very organic and filmic look, which people took to heart and embraced even further in post.

This new one seems to have more bite, more contrast and seems to lend itself nicely for a natural clean look. Would be interesting to see something more in the blockbuster direction. How things look when you give it more of a mood and look. I'm sure it will handle that like a champ as well. This puppy is probably very well-rounded and versatile.

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John Brawley talks about the new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. ‘Models Close up at Night’ is his third camera test where he checked out the camera’s ability to handle different skin tones in very low light conditions.

“This camera test was about shooting different skin tones in different low light conditions, so we wanted to keep it simple using the least amount of artificial lighting. We had a hotel room in Atlanta where we shot from 3pm until 11pm and got through about 70-80 shots cycling through different lighting and skin conditions. When you can get really great pictures at ISO3200 and above, things suddenly get very interesting. In this test, we were shooting two hours after sunset and you can still see blue sky around the buildings in the background! This camera can really read a long way into the shadows, which was a big surprise.”

“I see this camera as continuing the evolution that Blackmagic started with the Pocket Cinema Camera by now making it 4K. Having something that we can work with in really low light like this, means you can still get really great results with any type of ambient light.” 

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K
Apple ProRes 422 HQ 
ISO1000 and 3200
Olympus Pro 17, 25, 45, 1.2 Micro Four Thirds lenses

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2 hours ago, mercer said:

Idk, so far from what I've seen, I prefer the S16mm look from the older sensor. The new camera has a more modern, video look to it (it looks good and crisp and clean) but the OG Pocket/Micro had a different aesthetic that I prefer.

I have to agree with this. The original Pocket had a beautiful organic look reminiscent (to me anyway) of celluloid - even without grading, in fact even when it was in 'video' mode. I am disappointed to see that the Pocket 4K footage has more of a digital aesthetic - albeit with beautiful colour science. I was hoping for an image closer to what we usually see from BMD cameras rather than the Panny /Sony look.

I'm not going to cancel my pre-order because it is still a beautiful image and incredible value, but I will definitely be hanging on to my original Pocket. 

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I don't know. From what I have seen so far it has sort of lost the magic the BMPCC has. But I want to see something in 1080p. Maybe you can't get a real organic look in 4k. It is in a sense too good. But i will admit the skin tones JB is doing, especially the last video seen on Vimeo is really damn good.

 

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22 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Maybe you can't get a real organic look in 4k. It is in a sense too good. 

I love the look of the Ursa Mini Pro. It looks organic and film like to me - so I don't think resolution is a factor. I even liked what I was seeing from the BMPC4k despite it's limited DR. I guess it all comes down to the sensor. 

22 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

But i will admit the skin tones JB is doing, especially the last video seen on Vimeo is really damn good.

Agreed those colours and skin tones are excellent. 

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2 minutes ago, John Brawley said:

I think we're just nostalgic.

When the Ursa Mini 4.6K first started shipping there were many many threads that were EXACTLY the same as some of the complaints on here....  Users complaining that the UM4.6K didn't have the same mojo / look / feel as the 4K sensor which at that point was in the Production camera, the Ursa and the Ursa mini 4K.

This is a new sensor.  

It has the same chef's in the kitchen, working with new ingredients.

Spend some time with the images, look at the RAWS when they're available and learn to get the most from it.  THEN come back and post about what you like or don't like.  But grading from a downloaded 264 and then writing it off as being inferior is a bit premature and simplistic.

JB

 

I love this man lol

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2 hours ago, mercer said:

Idk, so far from what I've seen, I prefer the S16mm look from the older sensor. The new camera has a more modern, video look to it (it looks good and crisp and clean) but the OG Pocket/Micro had a different aesthetic that I prefer.

Ugh.

I think the color is just more accurate with the new Pocket 4K.  In the past the footage had more of a look to it, and now the color is better so you have to do that yourself.  Putting a heavy "look" on something makes it hard to judge the performance of the camera, so Blackmagic chose the route of grading it themselves and making sure it accurately represented the camera.

 

A lot of the Kinefinity Terra footage (especially Phillip Bloom's stuff) is hard to judge the color science of the camera due to haphazard and heavy grading.  I have no idea if Kinefinity cameras produce nice images because all of the graded material is very artistic.

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