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Just spent a little time comparing the footage from the new GH5 to that of my 1DXMk2. The GH5 footage in the footage certainly seems to be very versatile. I would give it the nod as far as ability to push it in post over that of the Canon. In that it does seem I can get away with a much more ham fisted approach as opposed to my 1DXMk2. That said the footage from the Canon still seem to look very good to my eyes. I am thinking I might pick up the Panasonic as a B-cam. It would be interesting to see what it can do in low-light or indoors, under less than ideal lighting conditions.

Below are a few frame grabs from both cameras. BTW: I processed the footage in FCPX 10.3. The experience went very smooth. 

 

1DXMK2 Color Correction.jpg

 

GH5 Color Correction Heavy.jpg

GH5 Test Grade.jpg

Original GH5 frame

GH5 Original.jpg

Original Canon 1DXMk2 frame

1DXMK2 Original Frame.jpg

1DXMk2 Heavy Grade.jpg

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You only have green, brown and black in your grade.

The blacks are crushed big time.

I'd recommend starting from scratch and reading up on how to grade properly.

There's already too much crap out there that has been graded terribly.

You don't want to add to it... trust me.

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43 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

You only have green, brown and black in your grade.

The blacks are crushed big time.

I'd recommend starting from scratch and reading up on how to grade properly.

There's already too much crap out there that has been graded terribly.

You don't want to add to it... trust me.

yikes :confused:

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26 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

You only have green, brown and black in your grade.

The blacks are crushed big time.

I'd recommend starting from scratch and reading up on how to grade properly.

There's already too much crap out there that has been graded terribly.

You don't want to add to it... trust me.

Well of course I could do something more traditional. However, the idea was to see how extreme I could push the image before all hell broke loose. More everyday looks are easy enough to just bake in. But if you insist...

 

GH5 Normal Grade.jpg

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Thank you very much @Neumann Films Luke for letting us download the files :)

Since I shoot a lot handheld with old lenses I'm very interested about the stabilization: I saw M. Uematsu's interview and he said (at 05:18") that 5 axis stabilization only works with Panasonic lenses.

Is that true or does it works also with manual lenses? I mean there is at least 3 axis stabilization with third part lenses?

I shot almost 3 years with GH4, how are the ISO performances and the V-LogL performance indoor on the GH5? I ask because I sold the GH4 recently and I'm using the G7 in this moment, waiting for the GH5, and in my opinion the G7 (in 4k) performs better then the GH4 in low light situations. Of course it is a lot less professional, it has less features and the 1080 is not comparable. 

Thank you very much! :) 
 

 

 

 

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Thank you @Neumann Films for the test footage!  Just awesome stuff, I really love the look of the images!  I think there's a lot of latitude in images and they look really good.  Kinda of a cleaner GH4 with more color information.  Attached are stills of my color grading.

GH5 - 01.jpg

GH5 - 02.jpg

GH5 - 03.jpg

GH5 - 04.jpg

GH5 - 05.jpg

Color graded video on YT:  

Premiere Pro worked well to view all the files, but the 10bit files didn't work with Davinci Resolve.  So I rendered to Prores in Premiere Pro, color graded in Davinci, then edited final in Premiere Pro.  Neat video for clips #2-4, warp stabilize for clip #5.

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On 1/6/2017 at 4:51 PM, Neumann Films said:

Uploading 5 or 6 more tonight.  Lowlight stuff mostly.

did these go up? not trying to put on any pressure, just curious if i missed them.

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4 hours ago, JazzBox said:

Thank you very much @Neumann Films Luke for letting us download the files :)

Since I shoot a lot handheld with old lenses I'm very interested about the stabilization: I saw M. Uematsu's interview and he said (at 05:18") that 5 axis stabilization only works with Panasonic lenses.

Is that true or does it works also with manual lenses? I mean there is at least 3 axis stabilization with third part lenses?
 

 

 

Yes it will have 5 axis even with old glass (unlike Sony u only get 3 axis with manual lens), just if u use compatible Panasonic lens it will get Dual IS 2 which is even more stable

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4 hours ago, JazzBox said:

Since I shoot a lot handheld with old lenses I'm very interested about the stabilization: I saw M. Uematsu's interview and he said (at 05:18") that 5 axis stabilization only works with Panasonic lenses.

At 5:43 he says "only some lenses work with Dual IS". By some lenses he means the new one. All the other lenses, old Lumix and vintage such as Canon FD will work with the IBS otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.

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1 hour ago, wolf33d said:

 

This must be a joke right? 

Here is a 30sec (literally: curve+sat adjustment) grade:

... 

I must admit I completely dislike at least 95% of other peoples graded shots. Not because I think I can do better, it's probably mainly (but not exclusively, see below!) a matter of taste. My own attempt, with explanation:

GH5-snow.jpg

On top of Panasonic V-lut (usually not recommended) I desaturated the shadows and also (like mercer) added some blue to them, but not so much. Is her jacket really a very dark blue? I substracted some magenta globally, thereby unwillingly adding more green to the trees, but fortunately the muted shadow saturation counteracted this (don't like the green in any of the shots). I boosted the saturation of the midtones, I like vivid colors, but not to the degree that the image looks artificially colorized.

I admit I am not good as far as serious grading is concerned. I think I know a lot about it in theory, probably more than most here. If you say my version is terrible, you are probably right. Do better, show, explain.

The point of this rant is, people - including me - can't grade. So why are they considering log the Holy Grail? I'd rather have a picture style that spared me all those steps and just left some color correction (which isn't a matter of taste and an artist's "eye" but merely cooking by the book with scopes). I would really love if the skin looked better. It's not wrong, it has the right tones, but it has too few nuances to look really alive. It's a pity that the above face is not in 10-bit, I'm curious to see if that made a difference.

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1 hour ago, Axel said:

I must admit I completely dislike at least 95% of other peoples graded shots. Not because I think I can do better, it's probably mainly (but not exclusively, see below!) a matter of taste. My own attempt, with explanation:

GH5-snow.jpg

On top of Panasonic V-lut (usually not recommended) I desaturated the shadows and also (like mercer) added some blue to them, but not so much. Is her jacket really a very dark blue? I substracted some magenta globally, thereby unwillingly adding more green to the trees, but fortunately the muted shadow saturation counteracted this (don't like the green in any of the shots). I boosted the saturation of the midtones, I like vivid colors, but not to the degree that the image looks artificially colorized.

I admit I am not good as far as serious grading is concerned. I think I know a lot about it in theory, probably more than most here. If you say my version is terrible, you are probably right. Do better, show, explain.

The point of this rant is, people - including me - can't grade. So why are they considering log the Holy Grail? I'd rather have a picture style that spared me all those steps and just left some color correction (which isn't a matter of taste and an artist's "eye" but merely cooking by the book with scopes). I would really love if the skin looked better. It's not wrong, it has the right tones, but it has too few nuances to look really alive. It's a pity that the above face is not in 10-bit, I'm curious to see if that made a difference.

Nice color. You did a nice job getting out the pink in her skin, yet keeping the colors muted yet vibrant. I do think her jacket is a dark blue, you can tell by comparing the strap from her backpack (which is black) but I agree with your point about the greens... I like the dark hue you pulled out of it. Also, great frame to show.

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7 hours ago, nahua said:

Thank you @Neumann Films for the test footage!  Just awesome stuff, I really love the look of the images!  I think there's a lot of latitude in images and they look really good.  Kinda of a cleaner GH4 with more color information.  Attached are stills of my color gra

Premiere Pro worked well to view all the files, but the 10bit files didn't work with Davinci Resolve.  So I rendered to Prores in Premiere Pro, color graded in Davinci, then edited final in Premiere Pro.  Neat video for clips #2-4, warp stabilize for clip #5.

Looks like overly sharpened, small sensor footage with "Plastic" skin tones.......... Honestly imo looks terrible, far from natural

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6 hours ago, Zak Forsman said:

did these go up? not trying to put on any pressure, just curious if i missed them.

Sorry, got sidetracked by something else.  I think the next video will be more insightful anyways.  Will hopefully be up in a few days.

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If anyone is interested in learning the hows and whys of grading then the Alexis Hurkman book is very good. Here's a sample chapter:

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321929662/samplepages/0321929667.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjlgrruyq_RAhWCWhQKHUB2DhIQFghXMAk&usg=AFQjCNHuTeG-lmowcqdfRUZ8zworMOaAkw&sig2=YNPI28RQXi8sbr7FeOp61g

As with so many creative endeavours, for people starting out, learning how to hold back can be valuable. Usually, a grade should not call attention to itself.

In the past, I've found it useful to download frame grabs of iconic movies from (not a porn site, although it sounds like one):

http://www.blubeaver.ca

Bring a few of these into your grading software and check them out on the scopes. Will give you a concrete idea of what to aim for.

Some of the examples in this thread are very poor, as has already been pointed out - the visual equivalent of the "music" generated by someone who has never played an instrument picking up an electric guitar and thrashing around like a madman. Yes, it's fun and that's good. But don't expect your neighbours to like it!

So if you are a "tone deaf" fledgling colourist making a lot of noise,  it might be possible to improve with careful study.

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8 minutes ago, hyalinejim said:

If anyone is interested in learning the hows and whys of grading then the Alexis Hurkman book is very good. Here's a sample chapter:

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321929662/samplepages/0321929667.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjlgrruyq_RAhWCWhQKHUB2DhIQFghXMAk&usg=AFQjCNHuTeG-lmowcqdfRUZ8zworMOaAkw&sig2=YNPI28RQXi8sbr7FeOp61g

As with so many creative endeavours, for people starting out, learning how to hold back can be valuable. Usually, a grade should not call attention to itself.

In the past, I've found it useful to download frame grabs of iconic movies from (not a porn site, although it sounds like one):

http://www.blubeaver.ca

Bring a few of these into your grading software and check them out on the scopes. Will give you a concrete idea of what to aim for.

Some of the examples in this thread are very poor, as has already been pointed out - the visual equivalent of the "music" generated by someone who has never played an instrument picking up an electric guitar and thrashing around like a madman. Yes, it's fun and that's good. But don't expect your neighbours to like it!

So if you are a "tone deaf" fledgling colourist making a lot of noise,  it might be possible to improve with careful study.

And lot's of practice...trial and error.  I hate so much of my old coloring work...gross.  Will probably hate my current stuff later.  Dialing it back is always a common theme in my learning experiences though.

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Haha now im feel dumb with my grading test video, i know mine was not very nice too, im very used to work with the 5DIII raw. 

Its very easy to grade with raw from ML, especially when you grade in LOG C color space. 

With the GH5 i was more in magenta tint, need more time for color adjustement and find the good settings. 

 

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