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I just watched cinema5D video they did with the SteadXP+. Why the hell is panasonic not doing this with their cameras? They have an accelerometer, gyroscope, and rolling shutter data already in the cameras for their IBIS systems. Seems like it’s not too far of a leap to record this data inline with time stamps for external software to use.

The SteadXP looks great for non IBIS cameras like my GH5S. Requiring a 1/100 shutter for handheld isn’t that terrible. You could also fake a bit of motion blur in post for the critical shots.

This sure beats the hassle of a gimbal.

Anybody have experience with this thing? I see mixed reviews/experience with it.

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5 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I just watched cinema5D video they did with the SteadXP+. Why the hell is panasonic not doing this with their cameras? They have an accelerometer, gyroscope, and rolling shutter data already in the cameras for their IBIS systems. Seems like it’s not too far of a leap to record this data inline with time stamps for external software to use.

The SteadXP looks great for non IBIS cameras like my GH5S. Requiring a 1/100 shutter for handheld isn’t that terrible. You could also fake a bit of motion blur in post for the critical shots.

This sure beats the hassle of a gimbal.

Anybody have experience with this thing? I see mixed reviews/experience with it.

I've also seen mixed reviews.

I think it works great in some situations and not in others.  It would probably work very well for non-IBIS cameras like the GH5S and P4K/P6K.  

In terms of working with the GH5, the IBIS becomes a problem.  The motion recorder will record what motion there is, but it won't know what residual motion there is left after the IBIS has done it's thing.  You could potentially try and record that too, but that adds another level of complexity to things.  

I think it could be made to work, at least to the point of it being better than EIS, but it would require R&D, the willpower from Panasonic (or other brands), and they'd have to see a clear return-on-investment.  It's definitely true that the GH5 owes part of its excellent reputation to the IBIS, but I'm not sure how much of a factor that is (as the GH5 is also an excellent camera in many other ways) and beyond the IBIS and the EIS I'm not sure how many people would be in the "shut up and take my money" camp if Panasonic improved things on top of the existing performance.

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2 hours ago, kye said:

think it could be made to work, at least to the point of it being better than EIS, but it would require R&D, the willpower from Panasonic (or other brands), and they'd have to see a clear return-on-investment.

They are already hitting limits with the gyroscope sensitivity (Olympus has said the electronics are needing to be so sensitive that the earths magnetic field becomes a problem) on the latest IBIS tech in the EM1X. Adding this “smart” EIS in addition to the IBIS seems like a logical improvement.

2 hours ago, kye said:

It's definitely true that the GH5 owes part of its excellent reputation to the IBIS, but I'm not sure how much of a factor that is

I would say it’s pretty high on the list, if not at the top.

People I know bought the GH5 for the unlimited 4K recording in ALL-I and the IBIS.

People buy Olympus for the supreme ability to hand hold a 800mm lens and nail shots of wildlife.

It allows something like the tiny EM5 mark 3 to take hand held 50MPx high resolution shots with slower moving subjects.

I would say the super power of MFT is the IBIS. It was designed for it from the birth of the mount. The smaller sensor makes it much easier to reach the 7.5 stops of stabilization in the EM1X, for example. I doubt it’s as easy to do that with a larger sensor.

In the “bigger is better” days of camera sensors we live in today it would be wise for MFT manufactures to play the strengths of the system. Stabilization IS the big one.

I could imagine a day where a GH6 or a EM1.3 is capable of shooting 6K video with near Steadycam levels of stabilization with near zero levels of fuss—or taking 50MPx or 80MPx handheld shots for portraits, street, wildlife, or landscape from a compact “small”, “low” MPx sensor that has amazing readout speeds with zero or very subtle motion artifacts.

A smaller sensor is a trade-off. Sony at least has mitigated the lowlight sensitivity / high ISO performance of MFT sized sensors. What is left is now trading shallow depth of field for all of the things I stated above. I’ll take that trade.

/rant

Sorry for the thought dump. 

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1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

They are already hitting limits with the gyroscope sensitivity (Olympus has said the electronics are needing to be so sensitive that the earths magnetic field becomes a problem) on the latest IBIS tech in the EM1X. Adding this “smart” EIS in addition to the IBIS seems like a logical improvement.

I would say it’s pretty high on the list, if not at the top.

People I know bought the GH5 for the unlimited 4K recording in ALL-I and the IBIS.

People buy Olympus for the supreme ability to hand hold a 800mm lens and nail shots of wildlife.

It allows something like the tiny EM5 mark 3 to take hand held 50MPx high resolution shots with slower moving subjects.

I would say the super power of MFT is the IBIS. It was designed for it from the birth of the mount. The smaller sensor makes it much easier to reach the 7.5 stops of stabilization in the EM1X, for example. I doubt it’s as easy to do that with a larger sensor.

In the “bigger is better” days of camera sensors we live in today it would be wise for MFT manufactures to play the strengths of the system. Stabilization IS the big one.

I could imagine a day where a GH6 or a EM1.3 is capable of shooting 6K video with near Steadycam levels of stabilization with near zero levels of fuss—or taking 50MPx or 80MPx handheld shots for portraits, street, wildlife, or landscape from a compact “small”, “low” MPx sensor that has amazing readout speeds with zero or very subtle motion artifacts.

A smaller sensor is a trade-off. Sony at least has mitigated the lowlight sensitivity / high ISO performance of MFT sized sensors. What is left is now trading shallow depth of field for all of the things I stated above. I’ll take that trade.

/rant

Sorry for the thought dump. 

Certainly the IBIS distinguishes the GH5 from its competition more today than it used to, but before the GH5S, A73, P6K, P4K, Z6, etc, lots of people were buying it and using it on tripods exclusively.  If Panasonic can make another “solid reliable work-horse” camera that had modes that other cameras only dreamt of in the GH6 then i’m not sure how important improving the IBIS will be.  Of course, how you create a workhorse with new features is a bit of a tricky one..  (8K? 6K60? 4K240? 1080p960? or 12-bit h.265 in a variety of aspect ratios and bitrates perhaps?).
Certainly I want higher bit-depths, higher DR and dual-ISO for shooting in difficult available-light conditions, but the file sizes of RAW make my blood pressure rise beyond acceptable levels, plus the lack of stabilisation for vintage manual primes is a deal-breaker anyway.

Smaller sensor isn’t a trade-off when you compare it to 10x8 style film cameras, it just seems to be sub-optimal because the shallow DoF and wide angle lenses people want aren’t quite so available.

I look at the S1H and apart from the ridiculous cost and the fact I’d have to re-buy all my lenses, I just look at how large and heavy it is and rule it out immediately based purely on that.

Everything is relative.  FF is a trade-off that isn’t worth it for me because it’s too large.

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1 hour ago, kye said:

I look at the S1H and apart from the ridiculous cost and the fact I’d have to re-buy all my lenses, I just look at how large and heavy it is and rule it out immediately based purely on that.

Everything is relative.  FF is a trade-off that isn’t worth it for me because it’s too large.

I share this sentiment. I do think the S1H is an amazing cam though, despite its size. I’ve held one and it just feels solid and trustworthy, like any good tool should. But at the end of the day, for me anyway, is what is most convenient to use and handle with me on my adventures. It’s MFT, always.

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On 12/14/2019 at 3:30 PM, newfoundmass said:

Question: I've got someone offering me a good deal on the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 mk I. Is anyone using it for video and is there a jittering problem like I've heard the mk II has? 

I used to have the MK I and had no issues in video mode. Great lens. 

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On 12/14/2019 at 10:30 AM, newfoundmass said:

Question: I've got someone offering me a good deal on the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 mk I. Is anyone using it for video and is there a jittering problem like I've heard the mk II has? 

I would prefer the olympus Zuiko 40-150 f2,8 PRO hands down

 

Much better lens

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1 hour ago, nathlas said:

I would pay the difference only for manual focus clutch that olympus PRO have.

 

I can't comply with focus by wire only lenses

I have the 10-25 and after using the manual clutch...I hope all newer Panasonic lenses have it! It’s so nice. So I’d say the Oly 40-150.

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12 hours ago, mercer said:

My friend got a GH5 for Christmas and he isn't sure what card he needs for the C4K 400mbps all-i... will V60 U3 cards work?

He's looking at this card...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1512108-REG/sony_sfm128t_t1_sf_m_series_tough_uhs_ii.html

FYI - he shoots narratives, so he'll need continuous recording for dialogue scenes.

400Mbps is 50MBps so a V60 card should cover it having a minimum write speed of 60MBps.

The Sony Tough cards are quality.

He also doesn’t have to shoot 400 All-I if it’s just a person talking to the camera unless he just wants performance benefits of editing an ALL-I source.

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Debating on selling my A6500 system. Love the image, Auto Focus - hate the ibis, handling of the camera, battery life, expensive Sony lenses etc. I’ve seen a lot of good content produced with a GH5. Sony IBIS on this camera just doesn’t do a whole lot for me. I have shaky hands. I have tried using a manfrotto mini tripod stick as a cheap shoulder rig and it does help. But for the minimal amount I have invested in this system, I’m thinking about trying something new.

Currently have only a Sony 35mm1.8. If you could recommend one lens zoom or prime what would you recommend for the GH5? Affordability is a factor as I’d have to go all in selling all my Sony gear.

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16 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Debating on selling my A6500 system. Love the image, Auto Focus - hate the ibis, handling of the camera, battery life, expensive Sony lenses etc. I’ve seen a lot of good content produced with a GH5. Sony IBIS on this camera just doesn’t do a whole lot for me. I have shaky hands. I have tried using a manfrotto mini tripod stick as a cheap shoulder rig and it does help. But for the minimal amount I have invested in this system, I’m thinking about trying something new.

Currently have only a Sony 35mm1.8. If you could recommend one lens zoom or prime what would you recommend for the GH5? Affordability is a factor as I’d have to go all in selling all my Sony gear.

For affordability the Panasonic 12-35 2.8 and 25mm 1.7 might be a good place to start. 

The Olympus 17mm 1.8, 25mm 1.8 are great but a little more pricey. The Samyang/rokinon 12mm f2 is a fantastic wide prime as well. 

 

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