IronFilm

"Full frame" is a nonsense size popularized by the Canikon marketing duopoly. 

Full frame really just means a match between sensor size and image circle the lenses are designed for.

In the movie world, S35 is the "standard size" (or S16 in the indie/doco/news worlds). Thus compared to that the MAVO LF is indeed "large format".

In the film stills world you had 135 film (also referred to as 35mm film) or medium format as the two main standard sizes that people used. 

So what is regarded as "large format" depends on what you're referring to as your reference starting point.

unless they're just rebranded Veydra lenses. 

@jonpais Interesting thread.  My (little) experience on film sets is more than enough to understand the benefits of being able to prepare a focus pull in advance.
In order to add to the completeness of this thread for those lurking out there, in addition to the benefits of cinema lenses already mentioned, IIRC they are also designed so that all the lenses in a set are the same weight (which means not having to re-balance gimbals or adjust steadicam rig counterweights when changing lenses), will also share the same filter size (to enable one set of filters) and will have the same spacing of gears so that remote controllers for focus pulls or zoom lenses don't have to be adjusted.
The total hourly rate of a film set is absolutely huge, and these lenses are designed so that they are quick to change and use.  

I actually commend Sony for this. Their color science in the original fs5 was beyond terrible. The skin tones in this video, however, look fantastic. I know it is early yet but the skin tones appear to be superior to the EVA1 and the c200 and I am a Canon apologist. 
Externally, you have all the framerates you require, so if you don't mind removing the top handle and running an atomos, I think this thing could surpass most cameras in this price point in terms of IQ. The skin tones really do look gorgeous. 
I am surprised by Sony because they usually cater to the specs crowd, but this targets those of us who care about the image quality more than anything, which is a nice change of pace.  

Looks like a Canon release....

@IronFilm I'll send you the outtake where I say I'm working on doing better audio because of you  

Here's my full review. I also wrote a more detailed post at No Film School.

Hopefully it doesn't have the Micro Studio sensor. 

But BMD might think now that they've had the firmware update which boosts DR 2 stops and gives base ISO a raise from 400 to 800 that this is sufficient for BMPCC Generation 2.0?!  

Hope not. 

Fantastic news!! This makes a FS700 much more attractive, as I too didn't want to use a 7" monitor with it. 
 
It was BMD's first ever MFT camera. 
 
I don't imagine they will do an inactive mount again, not now they have the experience of building active MFT mount cameras. 

JVC has quite a large stand at NAB 
I too am hopefully JVC will release another MFT cinema camera. 
I believe this was a mistake by both BMD and Panasonic not to release a locking MFT mount with their cinema cameras. (Like Sony has done with their E mount, with the FS7mk2 and the new VENICE).
Yup, the MFT mount was a *strength* of that camera, while its biggest negative was perhaps its name. 
Exactly why it was a mistake of Panasonic not to have an EVA1 MFT camera. 
As the EVA1 left nowhere to go for Panasonic's **own customers**!! Way to go Panasonic in neglecting your faithful followers. 
Meanwhile with Sony you could buy a lenses for your a5100 and keep on using it all the way up to the VENICE!!

What is Panasonic going to be showing? 

Check out the Kinefinity booth too!

Fantastic news!! This makes a FS700 much more attractive, as I too didn't want to use a 7" monitor with it. 
 
It was BMD's first ever MFT camera. 
 
I don't imagine they will do an inactive mount again, not now they have the experience of building active MFT mount cameras. 

JVC has quite a large stand at NAB 
I too am hopefully JVC will release another MFT cinema camera. 
I believe this was a mistake by both BMD and Panasonic not to release a locking MFT mount with their cinema cameras. (Like Sony has done with their E mount, with the FS7mk2 and the new VENICE).
Yup, the MFT mount was a *strength* of that camera, while its biggest negative was perhaps its name. 
Exactly why it was a mistake of Panasonic not to have an EVA1 MFT camera. 
As the EVA1 left nowhere to go for Panasonic's **own customers**!! Way to go Panasonic in neglecting your faithful followers. 
Meanwhile with Sony you could buy a lenses for your a5100 and keep on using it all the way up to the VENICE!!

A lot of huuUUUge productions have used the BMPCC for vehicle mounting and sorts...

Think that had more to do with the name 'JVC' giving flashbacks to mom & dad DV camcorders. Apparently there were some letdowns like display quality as well. But all who have tried it had seemed positively suprised by what it was able to do... and now many quite significant firmware updates later, it's quite capable. Really like the idea of an APS-C sensor behind a MFT mount leading to new possibilities. Wouldn't mind the new Blackmagic pocket rocket to be capable of such as well.

Yeah, especially for a 'mirrorless' 'pocket' camera... there's always adapting EF to MFT... so, why waste a perfect oppertunity with a limited use EF-mount used on clunky DSLRs. BMPCC was partly so popular because of the size and MFT and even S16 allowed for small lenses (C-mount as well).

And if they do that I'm completely uninterested.
That is likely what we will see. 

No, as it could be the 4.6K sensor at the heart of it, but a cut of it. A 4K sized cut of it. 

No, as it could be the 4.6K sensor at the heart of it, but a cut of it. A 4K sized cut of it. 

Flanders Scientific / Sony / Panasonic / etc are some of the common ones I see on sets with budgets. 

On low / no budgets then I can see almost "anything" used! Quite commonly, just a TV or PC monitor:
 
 
 
This btw is the trailer of the film which was shot during the previous vlog from just before:
 


It was just shot on a lowly Canon Rebel DSLR, seriously. A BTS shot of the director (it was her first ever film) and the camera (oh, and you can see my blimp too in the shot! ha): 



An indoors pic (you can tell from the HDMI cord running out the director is sitting somewhere there to the right of the pic, monitoring the shot):



Me again, this was back when I was still using my Tascam DR680:

Someone could have asked a while ago why would any one ever buy a phone from a computer company?!

I can't imagine the BMPC4K being crammed into anything which could be described as "pocket"?! It would surprise me. 

But yes, I also hope not!

Comrades.
We might just get something gooood
https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/04/07/blackmagic-tease-new-4k-pocket-cinema-camera/

BMD has taken to heart the criticism and seems keen to ship cameras immediately now or at least in a timely manner 
 
Then again they might regress to old form....    so anything is possible!

Astonishingly they'e still selling secondhand for more than that!
 
Hopefully the new BMPCC4K will push down hard prices of the secondhand  original BMPCC