The YouTubers are fighting!

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

And speaking of American education, how come some people are still at school in the US in their 20’s?

 

Here, secondary education ends at age 17-18 - so a 4-year postsecondary degree would usually be achieved at age 21-22 - and, of course, an advanced degree would be additional time after the postsecondary.

For people who go to a trade school, they are usually done with school by age 20.  I dropped out of college so I was done at age 19.

[ntblowz]

I was wondering is Lumix taking a note from Sony's marketing tactics

I do see annoyed Sony user on some of those comments, like they are going through a divorce because the guy they subscribed suddenly jumped ship.

[John Matthews]

On 6/28/2025 at 5:01 AM, newfoundmass said:

Virtually any camera released in the last 10 years, if used with care and consideration, will look good. And ten years from now the GH5 will still be able to generate lovely images, assuming there are some still out there that work! The pace in which people upgrade cameras is crazy to me, it just seems pointless and wasteful.

The human eye isn't going to get any major upgrades last time I heard. It's the one constant from the early days of image creation to now. The crazy thing about the upgrades is that many cameras being sold have less than 5000 actuation.

[MrSMW]

1 hour ago, ntblowz said:

was wondering is Lumix taking a note from Sony's marketing tactics

I think so yes.

I have for a long time critiqued LUMIX regarding their marketing, or lack thereof and suspect they have indeed taken a leaf from the Sony playbook, of, "lets get our product out there into the hands of all influencers", rather than the seemingly limited way they used to do it.

And many of those who were previous diehard Sony Shillboys, seem to have jumped ship and are now preaching The Gospel According To Lumix.

I was an early adopter of Fuji when the X series came out and a large portion of the so-called 'professionals' scoffed.

When they became too popular (in my eyes anyway), I jumped ship to the newly hatched lame duck that was LUMIX full frame.

LUMIX seem to becoming 'the new Fuji'...which edges me closer back into being a Nikon boi which is where I started out back in the olden times.

But where do LUMIX stand in 2025 without all the hype?

Almost certainly top dog for 'consumer' video needs, as in hybrid style cameras rather than dedicated cine stuff.

Lenses is where I think they still lack, - the entire L Mount collection. There's a lot in it, but also a lot of holes.

And those holes are the one's that most suit my needs.

So between the hype (which puts me off any brand) and the 'lens hole scenario', two compelling reasons for me to dismount from this particular train ride at the end of this season.

But we shall see. The 'hype' alone is merely a 'negative distraction' really and. not a deal-breaker. Subject to finances, the lens situation will be the decider. 

[MrSMW]

4 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

The human eye isn't going to get any major upgrades last time I heard. It's the one constant from the early days of image creation to now. The crazy thing about the upgrades is that many cameras being sold have less than 5000 actuation

Truth.

I had a client from just over 10 years ago come back to me the other day having lost what I provided for them.

I went to see if I still had it and expecting it to be a bit trash compared with today, but was actually quite surprised.

It stood up very well and the video was shot on GH3 and the photo on X Pro 2.

I notice more things like technique and editing & grading choices, but as for the raw result, - the client wouldn't notice any 'upgrades' in a decade.

[newfoundmass]

15 hours ago, John Matthews said:

The human eye isn't going to get any major upgrades last time I heard. It's the one constant from the early days of image creation to now. The crazy thing about the upgrades is that many cameras being sold have less than 5000 actuation.

Yeah, I think we’ve hit a ceiling in a lot of ways. Most of the "progress" over the last couple of years has been in resolution increases, but visually it hasn’t been a major leap. It’s nothing like the jump from SD to HD, or even HD to UHD. And honestly, most of us aren’t even making full use of UHD, since our TVs usually aren’t big enough to show the difference clearly.

There have been a lot of quality-of-life improvements when it comes to acquiring images, and things like color science have improved. But visually, you can still take a GH5 and, with some effort, get results that look very close to modern cameras.

I can’t say the images I’m getting from my S5 and S5IIX are that much better than what I got from my old GH5. The larger sensor and better color are definite upgrades, but I don’t always take advantage of them. I often shoot at f/4 or higher because I don’t want extremely shallow depth of field. And while the color is nicer out of the box, it mostly just saves time. I was still able to get the look I wanted from the GH5 with a bit more work.

[FHDcrew]

8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

I often shoot at f/4 or higher because I don’t want extremely shallow depth of field.

Haha nice I just bought a Nikon F 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 as a dirt cheap zoom lens for my Nikon z6. Gonna post about it in the lenses topic but yea f4 is often plenty. 
 

 

8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

But visually, you can still take a GH5 and, with some effort, get results that look very close to modern cameras.

Yepp. I was networking with a wedding videographer the other day and showing her some of my work, she was asking me if I shot in SLOG3 when like half the videos I sent her were in 8 bit flat on my Nikon z6, but they were color graded in davinci to improve the highlight rolloff etc lol they did not end up looking different from lots of people’s videos they’re produced on FX3s. Really does come down to how you use the tools and seems that we’ve had sufficient tools for quite a while. I still don’t think I have reached the limits of what my 7 yr old Z6 is even capable of haha. 
 

Again I also think a big reason in people’s minds that they think the current crop of cams looks so much better than the stuff we had in 2017/18 (or heck even 2015 with some of the stuff I’ve seen from the Panasonic GX85 lol) comes down to skill. YouTube reviewers are much better in lighting, grading, editing etc than they were when say the A7iii was released. Yea there are totally very real advancements and I’m not discounting that these advancements can be extremely helpful, but I think so many older cameras are capable of a wayyy better image that I used to think…and that a lot of people on YouTube still think. 

[FHDcrew]

8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Most of the "progress" over the last couple of years has been in resolution increases

And the difference now is nothing like what it used to be. When we leapfrogged from lineskipped Canon t2i mush to GH4 clean 8mp 4k readouts, those were some huge IQ improvements. Everything now feels so tiny, what I really do care and appreciate about with modern releases is workflow, ergonomics, things that contribute to my enjoyment of shooting. And I do see genuine advancements. That’s what matters to me. 

[FHDcrew]

Even the freaking c100 II and original A7S look incredible in the right hands.