alsoandrew

I think innovating relentlessly until you reach market leadership and coasting thereafter is a pretty standard Sony strategy. Unfortunately

My orig comment was in response to why Panasonic can't compete in regards to access to image sensors and instead gets access to the latest tech a year/cycle behind Canon, Nikon, and Sony. Their organic sensor never made it out of the lab and even if it did Panasonic themselves have no fab to manufacture it themselves and would have to contract it out to a third party. I have a little bit of experience in filing patents, and in a segment as technical and complicated as cameras the IP landscape is like a minefield, there is no way to not encroach on a competitor's patent. So all companies (including Panasonic) will end up having licensing agreements and patent swaps to allow themselves to conduct business, lest they sue each other into oblivion. Sony is the largest image sensor fab with 60% market share and is leading the market in technology, Nikon makes the 2nd best lithography equipment, and Canon makes the 3rd best lithography equipment, own their own fab, and are the historical market leader in cameras. The thing is, Sony probably uses some Nikon and Canon lithography equipment to etch their chips, Nikon contracts Sony to manufacture some of their sensors, Canon DPAF probably builds on some phase detect patent that Sony owns. Panasonic in comparison has nothing that comes close to this when they go to the bargaining table. And this is in addition to lacking the amnt of staff in image sensor development that the other companies have possessed for decades (accumulated patents). So arguments on why couldn't they include the latest sensors earlier are moot because it is probably impossible. They have to make do with what they have. Although this also forces the question on why they tried to compete with Sony/Nikon/Canon with the S1II instead of trying to differentiate themselves with novel features like internal ND or what not like @Andrew Reid said. But maybe there is some exclusive licensing agreement with RED or Sony blocking that. I think sensor capabilities have platued and it is more about small features to differentiate systems. I've been pretty happy with my Z6 and am not sure how the latest and greatest would help me (although I am just starting my journey).

I think the problem with Panasonic is that they do not have much in the way of leverage for semiconductor/image sensors. Sony dominates image sensor market, Canon produces their own sensors/lithography equipment, Nikon is second to only ASML for lithography, Fuji has patents dating back to film. Meanwhile Panasonic is better known for making TVs or batteries.

Very interesting. I agree that Chinese and Korean reviewers are generally more unbiased and objective their reviews of home appliances and other gadgets, but have never seen their camera reviews. Are there any Chinese reviewers you recommend?

I went to B&H last weekend and S5, Z6, A7 size difference was negligible (IMO). Only when you got to S1/S1H did it feel like DSLRs of old. And there was not a huge difference to APS-C like Z30, Fuji, A6000, and then lens size is still pretty similar. To get a meaningful difference would have to go down to M4/3, X100V, RX1R, or point and shoot imo. Re: S9, XS-20 unfortunately they both are still $1.1-1.2k used. Also wouldn't the lack of mechanical shutter pose an issue for stills (probably not pottery since it's static). Hmmm I just switched from the 13 Pro to an old iPhone SE I had laying around to reduce the scrolling so probably not upgrading to 16 Pro anytime soon. I think instead of manual control I should have said not having to work around the camera and just being able to shoot. I feel like you have to mess around with iPhone so much I would just prefer to use an actual camera. I haven't looked at the computational shallow DOF in awhile but not impressed with the portrait mode on the 13 Pro. I think you underestimate social media video quality a bit lol. Yup. That is why I am allocating half (at least) to lighting and accessories. Hmm that is pretty funny re the Markus Guy. Haven't had a chance to check out his videos but will when I get home. Any horror stories re Lensrentals used stuff? They have the S5 for $810/730 depending on quality but they are also a rental house so a bit cautious on their quality. https://www.lensrentals.com/buy/panasonic-lumix-dc-s5 KEH is $880 https://www.keh.com/shop/panasonic-lumix-dc-s5-mirrorless-full-frame-digital-camera-body-black-24-2-m-p.html MPB is $870 https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/panasonic-lumix-dc-s5 Adorama is $870 https://www.adorama.com/us1914794.html

I'm hoping that isn't a huge issue as pulling the clay is not crazy fast, and I try not to make those mistakes that often :). Yeah I am not sure I need 10 bit log tbh. Don't think intra frame compression matters either if the wheel is just rotating in place. How is the color SOOC with minimal editing for the Panasonic vs Nikon? Somehow the Fuji XT-3 is around $850 in the US due to all the Fuji hype from YT :(. It was my first thought too Hmm Anamorphic seems interesting to play around but in the far, far, future I think main problem with S1 is size (would like to be able to take the camera to galleries or on the street) and +$250 in price. Is manual focus such a huge issue with focus peaking and a static subject? I plan to tape where the tripod sits and mostly never move it. Eventually I would like to film some interviews/short studio tours with artists when I go to Asia to visit family this summer but I am not so sure I need AF for that. Also thank you everyone for the suggestions. I think I am going to pick up the S5 from B&H this weekend unless there is a huge difference to the Z6 in terms of color science.

Yep I already am doing that with my iPhone 13 Pro and planning to use that as my A/B cam to start (most likely to get hte wide angle shot). Altho I need to get a new tripod and phone mount because the one I bought in Japan for $15 disintegrating. I just loathe the lack of manual adjustability on the phone. Pottery (vlogging) on social media these days is also kind of saturated. I am not looking to become a vlogger but I am hoping filming with more careful framing, lighting, and depth of field.

Good idea. I hadn't even thought of that option but I will definitely get one! Thanks for the advice. I think a time lapse feature would be useful for hand building but for throwing its a bit too slow to match the movement. I will definitely try to post a video here once I get up and running. That guys seems to be right up my alley with the janky alternatives lol. Hmm definitely leaning towards the S5 then if record limit is not going to be an issue. How are the colors SOOC? Like I said to start I tend to overthink things so hoping to get a few videos out there with minimal editing/setup and learn the more advanced stuff as I go.

What lighting would you suggest? I am thinking of buying a main light + parabolic diffusor and a panel light. Maybe some reflectors, a matte panel, C stands, and some paper lanterns. And repurposing a few desk lamps and floor lamps for the rest.

Thank you for the recommendations. Meant to say sub $1k for body + adapted 50mm vintage lens. Tbh I am not sure if I need that level of audio and lighting yet at the moment. I feel like you give too much away with the GH5/4 in photo. This guy is doing pretty well and his setup is 5D MkIII, Canon Primes, LED panel lights from amazon, Manfrotto 055 Tripod, and natural light. IDK if he even color grades his videos. I have a tendency to overcomplicate things tbh. This is my current list: I think $500-600 for storage, lighting, tripod, mic is doable if ordering from Aliexpress. Not sure if you are aware but most low end tripods (Smallrig, Leofoto, Sirui, Benro, etc) are white labled from the same factories and you can order from the factory brand via Aliexpress for 1/2-2/3 the price. I have not fully done the research but I'm assuming/hoping it is the same for lighting. My studio is in the basement so not a huge amount of natural light. Not even sure where to start regarding lighting but this is the list I've built up.

Hmm maybe I am overestimating the storage needed. I would say longest I would like to continuously record would be around 45min-1hr but I would like to shoot 2-3 of those videos a session without having to transfer the data to an external SSD. To start out it is not necessary (4k and 10bit probably overkill tbh) but would be something nice to have in the future. It seems that beyond 128gb the price of SD cards jump up a lot. Is there a huge difference between the Z6 and A7III in video? A7III is still about $1k mark while I can get a refurbished Z6 from B&H for $750. Panasonic S5 is around $730 from Lens Rentals. S1 is still sitting around $1k and S1H is around $1.4k unfortunately.

Title says it all but here are some more details. I don't make any money from my ceramics yet so looking to keep it under $1k. My current top choices are either the Nikon Z6 or Panasonic S5. Mainly looking at full frame as I used a Fujifilm XT-2 for mostly street photography while traveling and felt like the sensor size limited my framing options and depth of field. This also might be down to the 18-55mm f2.8-4 kit lens tbh. Unfortunately I gave that camera to my brother so need to get a new one. My use case: taking photos of my ceramics to post to social media/show to galleries taking videos of making ceramics to grow my social media presence some street/architectural/landscape photography on the side My current criteria: Sub $1k for body + 50mm lens, sub $1.5k including tripod, mic, basic lighting, storage 4k recording so I have options to crop in vertical or horizontal Unlimited recording time so I don't have to fiddle with camera with muddy hands (wish) Record externally to SSD thru USB C (wish) Easy workflow as I am new to video why I am not considering 5D MkIII w/ ML Upgrade progression in mount. I plan to eventually get another camera so I can have a B cam and film multiple angles S5IIX would be good enough for every use case I can think of but Nikon RED acquisition looks interesting too. Nikon still can't record externally to SSD tho My questions: Do I actually need 10bit or Log if the content is mainly being seen on Social Media and I am mainly in a studio where I can control exposure/lighting Is down sampling the 4k 8 bit of the Z6 to 1080p enough? Is there any alternative to Ninja V if I want to record externally to SSD, outside of going up in budget to the S5IIX or Sigma Fp Does it even matter if I choose Z6 or S5 if I am only using vintage lenses to start and eventually get a Ninja V Here are some examples videos from artists I admire

Hmm if my needs were for mostly filming and photographing my pottery for social media which would you choose between S5 and Z6? Probably mostly shots of static subjects in a studio so AF not so important (not sure about 8bit vs 10bit) Edit: made a separate topic to not throw this one completely off track

Yes of course, Im just tryingt o point out how overplayed and inaccurate that talking point is. Here in the US we have Trump who almost certainly initially downplayed the Coronavirus because of the threat imposed to his reelection and fired the officials responsible for responding to events like these months prior. And we also have officials who were aware of the threat but did nothing except sell their stocks. And only on Friday was there a coordinated response to manufacture supplies.

The analysis of the response to COVID19 for Taiwan, HK, and SG is flwaed. In HK and Taiwan there was already a ton of political tension in the months leading up to the virus so the amnt of Chinese visitors is actually quite low. the monthly number of Chinese travellers to Taiwan for example went down 50% from 200k last year to around 90k this year. This is less thann most popular destinations in Europe. In HK its the entry rate from mainand China even lower due to the protests. Monthly Chinese visitors to Japan is around 500k while in SK its around 700k. SK is an example of what happens when you respond quickly to the threat. Japan will probably have a major outbreak soon. They just avoided the initial peak. Italy has a lot of critical cases as their population is more elderly and it is more common for households to be comprised of multiple generations. In Germany this is the opposite with more people living alone. This is why the death rate isn't as bad, yet.