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@Vesku You waste all your valuable time looking at 400% enlargements, looking for grain, macroblocking and other artifacts. You devote 24 hours a day watching tests and sharing them on half-a-dozen websites and debating about the results. And if you can't find the proof you're looking for,  you curse the Web for not having the video you're looking for. 

You pose the very same questions on those same six websites, knowing full well what the answer will be - then proceed to contradict whatever anyone says. If an expert like Curtis Judd recommends using an external microphone, you say you should be able to capture the sound of waterfalls and diesel trains on a built-in microphone smaller than a fingernail clipping. That's right - have you ever noticed how tiny that mic is? And have you noticed its placement? That's right - it's on the camera! And everyone knows that you've got to get that microphone off the camera for good sound. 

It's a known fact that rec 709 was made to contain five, or at most, six stops of dynamic range, yet you insist that you're able to shoot 8-bit and see twelve stops of dynamic range on your television - six stops more than anyone else on the planet!

People generously offer advice, and without fail, you tell them they're mistaken. You did not immediately tell joe12south that you'd buy the microphone he recommended. You started out by talking about how your GH4 had a better built-in microphone. In other words, a built-in microphone should be capable of professional audio quality. 

Every time a new Panasonic camera is released, you do your best to find fault with it. 

You nitpick everything to death, like the neck strap of the GH5. Or the lens cap. The lens cap, for crying out loud!

But you don't have a single finished project to show for it. Not one. You deleted all the videos on your YouTube channel save one - a 10-second clip of lens jitter with the GH4.

I understand you want people to look up to you. But experienced photographers don't waste all their time and energy on forums pointing out what's wrong with their camera. They go out and shoot. But you're not a shooter. You're a whiner. You're not even being productive. You say you're responsible for so many improvements in Panasonic cameras, you're so filled with self-importance, but you're not helping the online community with your constant complaining. 

 

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35 minutes ago, jonpais said:

@Vesku You waste all your valuable time ....But you're not a shooter. You're a whiner. You're not even being productive..... you're so filled with self-importance, but you're not helping the online community with your constant complaining. 

Odd talking in technical hobby forum. You this, you that, You are ...., you cant, you dont understand....etc, etc. 

Have I never said anything personal to anyone. English is not my mother language so I can not be so sensitive and polite all the time. I want to talk about camera features. If I have different opinions about gear is that rude? If I share my findings about my GH5 or my TV how can it insult you? Is there only one right and proper way to use our gear? Is it insulting to use camera differently than your way. Why it is bad to be exited about hobby? Is it important to share private videos online? Is it wrong to share information of hopes or issues?

We have here in Finland very dark, depressive and wet season. I have now plenty of time to test my cameras and talk about my hobby online. Can you find my posts during last summer? What do you think I was doing? Yes I was shooting videos, thousands and thousands and my GH5 worked brilliantly. There is still always room for improvement. I am waiting new GH5 updates and new features. I hope Panasonic makes GH5 even better.

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On 7.11.2017 at 5:14 AM, Neumann Films said:

keep aN eyE on this thread in the coming Weeks.

Luke, I rather watch your science fiction shortfilm instead. Unless you are really talking about a very few more weeks. :) Full VLOG curve instead of L for the GH5? HD RAW mode- should be piece of cake if DJI Osmo did it? Awesome BTS video on your science fiction film as well! Thanks a lot!

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@Vesku Yes, it is vitally important to share your work. If you don't have a website, a blog, a YouTube channel, a showreel or anything tangible other than a year-old ten-second video of lens jitter, then your comments cannot be taken seriously. Over the years, you've catalogued dozens upon dozens of the supposed failings of Panasonic cameras; and more recently, you've made all kinds of wild claims that defy logic about the dynamic range and sound quality of your videos, but haven't shared a single one of them. So while in your mind, you believe you're making an invaluable contribution to the filmmaking community, in fact, your posts carry no weight whatsoever.  2+2=4, but you continue to insist that your calculations tell you that the answer is 3: that isn't sharing information, it's just plain trolling. So, rather than sitting on your sofa waiting for Panasonic to issue another update, why don't you just go out and shoot? 

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24 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

Luke, I rather watch your science fiction shortfilm instead. Unless you are really talking about a very few more weeks. :) Full VLOG curve instead of L for the GH5? HD RAW mode- should be piece of cake if DJI Osmo did it? Awesome BTS video on your science fiction film as well! Thanks a lot!

Soon as in Friday/Saturday/Sunday for production.  This will be a sci-fi as well!

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Oh wow, I always get dizzy, when discussions heat up.

Dear Jon, I understand your point of view regarding some forum posts, which can come across as repetetive to some and with contradictions within their own argumentation. We should take the challenge and still be able to understand eachothers different communicational behaviours and needs.

Dear Vesku, I think your posts about the GH5 are starting to repeat its points. I enjoyed reading the first, second and third time but then I would start to miss some additional knowledge instead of the same and sometimes subjective information over and over again. For instance, I have shown a screenshot that there are obvious advantages of ALL I. Still, the disucussion about it has been keeping on going on over a few pages. One click on the thumbnail would have helped ending the doubts. ALL I shows much less IPB pixel clusters than IPB, to repeat my point on that issue this one time.:)

As for showing footage, indeed, there are not many if hardly any shorts on the web, which were shot with a G7, G85 nor GX85. Three of the most discussed DSLMs on this forum and so very few real shortfilms on the net.

6 minutes ago, Neumann Films said:

Soon as in Friday/Saturday/Sunday for production.  This will be a sci-fi as well!

Super cool! You guys have done so much awesome and motivating and inspiring stuff over the years!

So you are avoiding to give us penny pinchers promises on GH5 HD RAW mode or full VLOG curve. Is that a sign you are giving, which we can misinterpret? :)

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31 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

Dear Vesku, I think your posts about the GH5 are starting to repeat its points. I enjoyed reading the first, second and third time but then I would start to miss some additional knowledge instead of the same and sometimes subjective information over and over again. For instance, I have shown a screenshot that there are obvious advantages of ALL I. Still, the disucussion about it has been keeping on going on over a few pages. One click on the thumbnail would have helped ending the doubts. ALL I shows much less IPB pixel clusters than IPB, to repeat my point on that issue this one time.:)

Thanks for your polite opinions. Can you share a link in this all-i test you have? I have not seen it. In fact there are very few real tests about all-i vs ipb. That was the reason I had to make my own tests and post it in some forums. There was surprisingly little interest of this 400Mbs talk. Many camera testers just repeat marketing specs but dont actually test anything.

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Hey Vesku, thank you for your reply. I just sent you a PM, so I don´t bloat this thread and keep my message slim and elegant:) Btw, I think the 400Mbps talk, which you started, has met plenty of interest! It was an interesting thread until it started repeating itself without evaluating the findings of advantages ALL I has to offer. But let me not start this all over again!:) cheers

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Okay, my finding. Already REC709, 8bit HD mode is astonishing. GH5 is a beast. I´ve been saying that a few times now. So, here is my quick trailer of the short I shot. Shot in 8bit glory. Editing a film is a total different beast though. So I hope the mood of my trailer will transfer well into the final shortfilm. It´s low bitrate uplaod, grade is still a bit rough on the edges.. Still hope it can give an impression about my findings with this camera. I might put a PW to this. It will be boxcar then.

 

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4 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

Super cool! You guys have done so much awesome and motivating and inspiring stuff over the years!

So you are avoiding to give us penny pinchers promises on GH5 HD RAW mode or full VLOG curve. Is that a sign you are giving, which we can misinterpret? :)

Thanks man, I appreciate that a lot!

I really can't say much other tha...you know, this might require a new thread. Take from that what you will 😊

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Im considering in selling my whole kit for a gh5 now that I’ve upgraded my computer. Im starting to prefer the image and usability of my G85 over my sony a6500. Pana bodies are so easy to work with & reliable I grab a pana body for paid shoots and sony for my personal projects. I may just sell my g85 only and upgrade to a gh5 and use my sony as a b cam

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@kidzrevil I think you are definitely one of the people that could benefit from the extra 2 bits of color. So it may not be a bad idea at all. 

I also have a feeling, according to @Neumann Films recent teaser post, that the GH5 may be getting something more... if it’s Raw video... then I may have to buy one too. 

And if you go on eBay, Samy’s Camera, in LA, has some great prices on New Open Box models.

By benefit, I mean utilize. 

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16 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Glenn - it got RAW, would you buy?

I would be tempted, that’s for sure. I don’t think I would sell my 5D3 for it, but I may sell almost every lens and equipment I don’t really use for Raw and IBIS. But I am betting it is going to be ProRes or something else... perhaps a smaller crop if that’s possible with that sensor?

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I guess it could also be some kind of straight 6K without Anamorphic mode or however that works. If we want to really speculate, the easiest way is to find out what the next big thing is on Panasonic televisions?

Or who knows... maybe with all of the rumors of the soon to be announced FF mirrorless cameras by Canon and Nikon, that Panasonic has decided to release its own APS-C or FF mirrorless.

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9 minutes ago, mercer said:

I guess it could also be some kind of straight 6K without Anamorphic mode or however that works. If we want to really speculate, the easiest way is to find out what the next big thing is on Panasonic televisions?

Or who knows... maybe with all of the rumors of the soon to be announced FF mirrorless cameras by Canon and Nikon, that Panasonic has decided to release its own APS-C or FF mirrorless.

You have a good point there, Glenn. 🙂 As an aside, I realize some cynics (and I’m not saying you’re one of them!), accuse Sony or Panasonic of adding ‘useless’ features like 4K to their cameras only in order to be able to sell TV sets, but as everyone knows by now, the reason our cameras have been shackled to rec 709 is precisely because of  guidelines drawn up for 30 year-old display technology. 

And a full frame Panasonic would be awesome. Where can I preorder?

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