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Panasonic GH5 - all is revealed!

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Something NEW... but what. I'd love if they'd manage to turn this into a proper follow-up of what the BMPCC was all about. Internal ProRes and RAW DNG options. But I doubt that's it. Especially not without a significant sensor change (possibly non-stabilized to make happen).

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I'd be VERY happy if somehow, output to HDMI was available during 6k recording.  This would be great for focus assistance.

Though, being a hobbiest, I can't afford another camera body.

And as I don't seem to sell anything, but rather "collect" stuff, I have far too many already...

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Is rigging up a RED or ARRI not a bit pointless either?

To bring up another old argument 'it's not about the size, it's about what you can do with it'. :grimace: The GH-range lives and breathes production. That's been the whole point since the 5DmkII, T2i/550D, GH2, etc. These are entry level cameras for those who'd love to have some proper cinematography going on, but can't exactly afford to buy/rent a RED/ARRI and/or a whole crew to run it. However, cameras like the GH5 can function like a proper cinema camera, which is also why we see advanced features such as 10-bit, LOG, waveforms/vectorscope overlays, XLR adapter, full HDMI port, etc and lend themselves perfectly to be operated by just a single soul. That it is fairly compact and well-equiped of course allows for this single camera to be used in various ways (e.g. mounting inside of a car, not requiring a steadicam for follow around shots). In the same way you're probably not using ARRI SkyPanels but some Aputure LightStorm lights on your makeshift set and your talents are volunteers/friends etc rather than well-paid actors. But in the end the production value is up there, even on a budget and there's hardly an excuse anymore to not pursue your dreams and scripts because you don't have the budget. Filmmaking is more accessible than ever. It's probably however also harder to set yourself apart or gain traction for the undertakings you're passionate about... then again it also allows you to book well-paid commercial shoots, so atleast you can put some fancy food on the table. And concerning that, of course there's...

 

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+1 It's still ridiculously compact compared to using an actual cinema camera, and of course, it costs a ton less. I would go with an Easyrig rather than a shoulder rig, it takes the weight off of your shoulder and the strain off of your back (my rig must weigh around 12 pounds); an Easyrig also makes it possible to adjust the camera to eye level; Matthew Scott's setup in the video is too high for comfort and is probably going to lead to back problems in the future. Here's my twin enjoying his. :) 

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Yeah, personally I'd go for a cage and further set-up in a kind of 'studio' environment, where you use the cage handle for low angles and stuff but also just throw it on a tripod, which is probably the main thing I'd use a full set-up for (talking heads/interviews). Not the hugest fan of any sort of mounting for shots that need mobility especially now that we've got 5-axis in-body stabilization. I'd be more inclined to strip things down to just the camera and perhaps the hot-/coldshoes (on camera/cage (for audio/external monitor/recorder)) and just shoot classic handheld. Depending on the lens you don't really need rails with follow focus and a matte box looks neat, but as long as you're not shooting something critical, something you can do a re-take on, I'd gladly risk some issues with focus and flares perhaps in favor of the light and simple set-up when moving around. Of course, when you need to, a top support with good body load distribution is a very worth while consideration.

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Has anyone tested GH5 internal mic quality?  I cant find any test result for GH5 mic audio quality. In my GH5 it seems to record low frequences much weaker than GH3/4. I must add bass quite much when listening my GH5 recordings. (Wind cut is off). 

GH5 mic quality is otherwise quite OK. The IBIS and handling noises are surprisingly low due to internal counter noise cancelling mic. I also made a foam wind filter which works well outdoors.

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Try using an external microphone. I recommend you watch some of Curtis Judd's excellent videos.

Your response to Joseph Moore (joe12south) over at dvxuser, who tried to be helpful by suggesting you use an external mic:

Actually internal mic can be quite good and I have some decent concert recordings with GH4. The sound with big surround system is very realistic and pleasant with strong deep bass and good atmosphere. A big diesel train passing my GH4 slowly or big waterfall in a hike are impressive with big speakers. It is a pity that GH5 does not record that.
I cant normally carry external mics, tripods or other additional stuff when experimenting the world.

And afte@kidzrevil patiently explained to you how rec 709 works, you had this to say:

Lets forget SRD, HDR, rec709 and rec202 for a while. I shoot with my GH5 a 8bit file. I record about 12 stop dynamic range. I watch it and I can see that 12 stops dynamic range in my TV. There is texture in highlights and shadows. Image looks stunning and vivid in highs, mids and shadows. How is that possible?

So now we all know you can shoot 8-bit rec 709 with your GH5 and see an incredible 12 stops of dynamic range on your SDR television, and that you're able to get professional sounding audio with the built-in microphone with your GH4. 

It's a wonder you can shoot at all with your camera, considering all the problems you've been having!

Here's your list from Personal View:

the blinking record dot blinks too slowly and when stopping recording it disappears so quickly that I some times wonder if the recording was even on at all.

when changing iso only the back wheel works. It would be easier for me to use front wheel for iso adjustment. Why not both wheels adjust iso?

Auto iso limiter for video should have more steps. Now iso2000 or 2500 are not possible.

iso100 clips highlights. Maybe FW 2.0 will fix it.

50Mbs fullhd would be useful some times.

Video autofocus menu item on/off is not assignable to FN-button. Even better would be working AFS/AFC lever. Why cant it work

Exposure values (aperture, shutter speed and iso) are not visible in automatic video exposure modes. Why hide them?

iDynamic and wind cut filter has no symbol in screen (GH2 had those).

AFS/AFC lever is not working with 6k photo. It uses always AFC.

And from DPReview:

I was in a long hike with GH5 and figured an issue. The neck strap positioning is wrong in GH5 (and other cameras too). When hanging in neck the camera should set its position so that the lens points down. Now the camera hangs so that the lens points forward. The EVF hits chest and is in danger to get scratches and the lens collects dust and rain drops or moisture. The lens hood also hit in rocks when I was climbing in difficult places.

It would also be better to change lenses outdoors when the lens points down in neck strap. Less danger of getting dust inside.

Factory made EVF cover would also be very helpful in wet or dusty places. I have now a home made EVF cover. Every other optical instrument has an EVF or ocular dust cover. Why not a camera with high resolution multi coated sensitive EVF?

And on and on...

 

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1 hour ago, jonpais said:

So now we all know ....that you're able to get professional sounding audio with the built-in microphone with your GH4

Did I say that? I said decent, realistic, pleasant. I also said to Joe that I may buy the mic he recommended. I have been very happy with GH4 internal audio. I think it is worth mentioning that GH5 has much worse frequency response than GH4. I wonder why no tester has figured it out. GH5 has bass filter (wind noise canceller). Why they want to cut bass also without it? Of course if I want professional audio or better hearing of people talking I would use directional ext mic. Actually I have one expensive Senheiser shotgun mic.

What my feature suggestion you think is not not good to have. If I would be a Panasonic engineer I would be very thankful that someone thinks and suggests features and handling improvements in different situations. It is not barking. It is user feedback, maybe not very polite but it is sharing information to make our cameras better. Panasonic has actually made many of my request of improvements to happen in GH4 and GH5.

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1 hour ago, jonpais said:

So now we all know you can shoot 8-bit rec 709 with your GH5 and see an incredible 12 stops of dynamic range on your SDR television...

http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/micro-43/panasonic-gh4-dr-and-gamma-timelapse-and-more.html

"Cutting to the chase: 11+ stops in every gamma setting. VIVID and CINE V styles give you 10+ stops free and clear, with the 11th stop separating from black with a stretch of the shadows. All the others show 11 stops and a bit more,..."

GH4 normal profiles 11+ dyn range. I think it is fair to say that GH5 has then almost 12.

My TV has contrast ratio about 1:2000 - 1:4000.  1:2048 equals 11 stops and 1:4096 equals 12 stops light intensity difference. 

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