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Canon stop making the 1D C - Listed discontinued at CVP! Is a replacement just around the corner?

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Couldn't agree more. 

Hopefully they read this article and wake up from their dream. As you said we only have the Sony as a real hybrid FF camera. Canon will release next year a FF eos M but it will be crippled on the video side. 

A Canon mirorless FF with GH5 video spec I what I need. :) 

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By releasing the 1DX II, Canon has already demonstrated that it can bring this technology to market at less than half the cost of the original camera. A 1DC II is not going to cost $12K, or anywhere near the price of a C300 II. It will be a premium version of the 1DX II with a price tag of around $7-8k and it will add C-Log and a few other exclusive cinema features. It will also not cost Canon anything much on the R&D front. I've been certain about the 1DC II as soon as I heard about the 1DX II (especially with the lack of the cinema features from the 1DC). One follows the other, just like last time.

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1 hour ago, tyger11 said:

I'm sure Sony and Panasonic are ecstatic about the 5D Mk IV. Nikon probably has yet to notice. :)

If Nikon can release a D750 successor that has no crop with its 4K then Nikon has a good shot at stealing away a healthy sized chunk of the market from Canon.

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Personally since Canon puked on my face with the 5Dmk4 I really have no interest anymore about what they are going to do next. Got little hope for this camera but it's just the final confirmation, years after years of crap DSLR that they have no intention to give us anything below $10k. Even if the C300/500 were at $3-4K I'm not interested. I want full frame, small size and stills + video. No asking for XLR audio, ND filters or anything that Pro Cam do of course. Just a decent 2016 era stills/video camera.

I'm just using my existing gears at the moment. Canon's commercial logic is beyond me. I'm not investing a dime anymore in any EF lenses. Waiting for Sony with its next A7R/S camera.

If Canon decides to release a 1DCmk2 (aka 1Dxmk2 + heat shrink and new firmware for $8-10k). I'll be better of buying a A7R/S with a GMaster 24-70 + 35 or 50 1.4 lens...

 

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23 minutes ago, OliKMIA said:

Even if the C300/500 were at $3-4K I'm not interested.

Errr.... if the Canon C300 mk2 is $3K then that is an absolute easy no brainer insta buy for many many MANY people! I'd beg/borrow/steal the funds needed ASAP if I could get a C300mk2 for that price. 

I've done a multi day shoot with the C300 mk2 (although as the soundie, but kinda an AC ish role too), and while it has some very very weird restrictions going on with what monitoring outputs work and when you can use them, at US$3K there would be NOTHING that comes even close to the capabilities of a C300 mk2. 

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From day 1 of the 1DC crop or not crop and MJPEG choice is a processing power/ speed/heat problem more than anything I guess, the processor on the the 1DX/1DC were specialised to process jpeg that is why it uses record in Mjpeg to reduce R&D cost and processing power. Similarly using a cropped recording output, the data need much less reprocessing like the sony( less overheat less battery usage)

If I guess from what I see on the 1DX2, I will say Dual CFcard, 4K RAW internal/external, 5K/6K internal MJPEG, C-log will be something they can easily put in with minimal R&D and minor Hardware improvement.

 

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C300ii is a beast. You will see it near 3000$ in no less than 10 years time.

For whoever mentions Sony A7 series as the only true hybrid cameras, I am pointing them to the active little community of Samsung NX1 owners around here. In our opinion, NX1 are more hybrid than hybrid! I am not going to mention specs (even though most are in favor of the NXs) but ergonomics/battery life/menu/heat management is from your cameras of the future.

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Of course the C300 is the beast but my point is that I have not interest in pro camera for many reasons:

- I want to do video AND stills

- I want FF

- I need something small. Not a huge pro Cam body with external recorder, wire mess, accessories, etc.

I don't understand the "restriction" and "separation". Even if the C300 was $4K, I would still have bought a 5Dmk4 for the same price if it had no Crop and good codec. Instead I won't buy a C300 nor the 5D but the next Sony/Panasonic camera. I guess I must represent an abnormal or minority market segment

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OlikMIA: No, WE are representing a minority segment! As the forum is more video orientated, it is normal to expect people to be more enthousiastic with "cheap" C300iis, than expensive hybrids.

Panasonic is always interesting but they have to overcome their sensor size (I do not see them going FF with the GH5), Sony is Sony (in a bad way). For many people mkIV is just right, maybe it is ok for you too.

Hybrid/mirrorless cameras are the present and the near future. I do not see the point of dSLRs anymore and I am not that crazy about conventions such "I want full frame".

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3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

If Nikon can release a D750 successor that has no crop with its 4K then Nikon has a good shot at stealing away a healthy sized chunk of the market from Canon.

Hey, I'm not saying Nikon is unable to produce what we all want, and Canon certainly isn't, either. I'm saying they are both apparently DECIDING not to, for whatever reason. Canon seems to think protecting their Cinema line is a good business decision, but they'll find out the obvious when Sony and Panasonic eat their lunch in this market segment. No idea what Nikon is thinking. I'm pretty sure they wish film would make a big comeback. :)

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3 hours ago, tomsemiterrific said:

I own a 1dC, recently acquired from B&H--and it is a fabulous image making machine--but with HUGE files. What program or application is best to transcode them into ProRes for FCPX? Anyone??/

I use EditReady to convert to prores. It's fast, you can use a LUT during conversion, lots of metadata options. Nice program. And it's cheap. 

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4 hours ago, Kino said:

By releasing the 1DX II, Canon has already demonstrated that it can bring this technology to market at less than half the cost of the original camera. A 1DC II is not going to cost $12K, or anywhere near the price of a C300 II. It will be a premium version of the 1DX II with a price tag of around $7-8k and it will add C-Log and a few other exclusive cinema features. It will also not cost Canon anything much on the R&D front. I've been certain about the 1DC II as soon as I heard about the 1DX II (especially with the lack of the cinema features from the 1DC). One follows the other, just like last time.

And with the 1DX Mi Canon demonstrated they could bring the 1DC to market for half the amount that they did. Both cameras are essentially the same and employ the exact same sensor. The 1DC's circuit board adds a headphone jack, heat sink...  there is also a slight difference to the firmware. ChaChing! Mark my words, if there is a 1DC Mkii (and I doubt there will be) it will tip the scale at the $12-14K mark.

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6 hours ago, IronFilm said:

If Nikon can release a D750 successor that has no crop with its 4K then Nikon has a good shot at stealing away a healthy sized chunk of the market from Canon.

Not gonna happen. Nikon's main problem is they don't have their own fab. Having Sony as your sole supplier makes you encounter with some consequences. I think they will deliver a 1.56x crop (6000/3840). Do you really think Sony would give them a 6k/30fps sensor, while cheap enough to put in a $2k body?

I just fear they don't realize how important is D750 line for Nikon shooters who need a hybrid system. 

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Andrew, you just proposed what would be a huge winner for Canon, a $5000 1DCII. EVF instead of mirror, double CF FAST slot, 4K 60p DCI in super 35 mode would be fine for me. 422 10bit h265. 120fps  at full 1080. decent above 20mpx stills. touch screen, peaking, waveform. If canon would have any common sense this is the camera they would put out, but they have grown into an arrogant dinosaur company. Sony will keep on improving and so will black magic, and canon will keep on disappointing. Fast AF on stills and huge legacy range of lenses is really what they have going for themselves. the canon look is questionable at this point with so many more affordable and common sense options out there, including used red rigs and excellent black magic cameras. I love the 709 LUT from slog2 out of my fs7. Call me a simple man. does the job for me!!!!  Though it is never too late for a change of direction for canon. The pundits who are all clapping at the 5div are to me like trump supporters. If I were a still photographer who needed AF in stills, I would see no reason to drop $7k (for two bodies) plus accessories and cards to upgrade from 5dIII to 5div. for what? 4k in almost mft format, dinosaur codec, unusable bit rate unless you carry thousands and thousands of dollars of cards, hd space and machines to transcode in 422 pro res. poor canon.

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