Video Hummus

35 minutes ago, herein2020 said:

Truly and without a doubt the best camera demo video I have ever seen.

I thought it was a good hype video for sure. I mean, I was hyped after seeing it. Not hyped to buy an Alpha 1 though 😂 Definitely puts the other camera manufactures videos to shame.

3 hours ago, RawZion said:

This video looks terrible!  Not the content, which looks absolutely bloody amazing, but the quality of the image itself.  The very first shots are full of banding, and there was more banding and aliasing throughout the whole video. Yes I watched it at 4K. 

I take any image quality comparison or evaluation from YouTube with a huge lump of salt. YouTube is pushing out lowest possible bitrate 8-bit video it can get away with.

All of that above adds up to a bit more longevity in the body for becoming a pretty solid B-Cam in the future if I were to ever get a C70/90 or R1 or something as a more robust A Cam. I would love to see a FF C90 form factor camera with R5 autofocus even if it didn't have 4K120p. 

IBIS on R5 smooth with panning in my experience at 24mm. Anything wider and IBIS corrections become noticeable.

I spent the extra money for R5:

• The 14-bit 45MP stills are just awesome
• Custom Modes
• Oversampled 4K in S35 mode (hopefully we get some wider RF lenses soon; RF 14-28 f/2 please canon; btw sigmas fast 14mm f/1.8 or 20mm f/1.4 lens with RF ND adapter in s35 mode 👌)
• Record button in photo mode can trigger custom mode (R6 goes into a weird full auto mode; very dumb)
• 8K can actually be pretty useful in certain scenarios
• 4KLQ > 1080 from R6
• 4K120p while not oversampled looks fantastic in my opinion (I can't ever go back to 2K120p I'm spoiled)

I would love a RP sized RF camera that shoots FF 4K 24p in CLOG and more affordable f/1.8 primes as a hand-off camera, B, C camera.

7 hours ago, independent said:

difference in sensor area between the R5 and Sony A1

Difference between R5 DCI and UHD is interesting too for wide angle lenses.

5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Still don't understand why they don't just make an optional combined battery grip and fan system for video use.

For a start, moving the batteries out of the main body and into the grip would alleviate some of the internal heat.

An exhaust system could then be incorporated into the connecting stork of the battery grip that opens up an aperture in the battery chamber of the camera with fans in the grip taking care of cooling.

That would maintain the weather sealing and satisfy stills shooters who don't want to pay for any extra video oriented features that they will rarely use, particularly ones that add bulk and noise.

And of course, anyone who is using this camera for video is going to need all the battery power they can so its a win win for them.

Of course, when I say I don't understand why Sony don't do this, I mean from the customer's perspective but from their own point of view I think its pretty obvious why they don't.

Well as we have seen, even a small copper heat sink change in the R5 pushes past A7SIII overheating performance. We have heat pipe technology...

Maybe someday when I'm not afraid of bricking my camera and CFExpress is super cheap I'll do a DYI heatsink upgrade like @Matt Perks did and shoot 8K RAW 24 hour livestreams.

12 hours ago, DWX said:

So I can get 30 min 8k raw with the latest firmware on my R5 with crappy heat dissipation and Sony is giving you 30 min with superior heat management, less resolution, 420 and only 400Mbps.  The R5 bitrate is 2600mpbs & 1300 for HEVC, so that lowering the bitrate option should help significantly with the record times.   Really puts in perspective how versatile the R5 is, even though they blew the initial execution.  Glad the Canon pushed the envelope and Sony answered.  Looking forward to see what the new firmware bring...

Yeah, same story here. I've been exhausting multiple CFExpress cards 8K HEVC before any overheating. Granted, this is 4C to 5C weather at the moment. Really looking forward to the new firmware update...soon.

This is awesome from FujiFilm.

We are entering into mirrorless medium format video shooting. Holy shit.

I appreciate the baby steps Sony took with making it easier offload photos and video from their cameras...can we just please have something like WiFi 6 onboard with a simple bluetooth hold-phone-up-to-camera-to-pair and then automatically sync photos and perhaps video directly to our phone of choice whether iOS or Android wirelessly. Why is it so hard? Perhaps they would sell more cameras, just saying.

And please, god no, don't put android or iOS in my camera with apps and widgets and notifications. I don't want a notification that Toneh Northrop posted a new YouTube video while I'm shooting. Give me ergonomics with physical buttons that can be customized and a bright micro-LED or OLED EVF and articulating screen with touch navigation menus like Blackmagic does. Don't try to beat phones by being phones, it isn't going to work. Just work seamlessly with my existing $1000 phone so the camera just becomes an extension feature of my phone--without silly bulky hotshot mount or an annoying dangling, flimsy micro-hdmi cable.

13 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

I don't like that it has no articulating screen as is much better imo for gimbal like ronin S etc..

I don't mind the non articulating screen that much. Panasonic still has the best screen implementation giving everybody what they prefer in the S1H.

2 hours ago, gt3rs said:

It seems a very solid and interesting release but as always devil is in the details:

- 8k max 30min... 4:2:0 only, this we know
- 4k FF is it oversampled or binned/line skipped? S35 they mention is oversampled from 5.8k but no mention for FF
- 4k 120 FF is 10% crop
- 30fps still shooting seems jpg only, still RAW is max 20fps
- mechanical shutter max 10fps, for sport with LED not great

 

Yes, the fact they didn't mention that the FF 4K is uber-oversampled from 8.4k probably means it isn't. That being said, Sony's pixel-binning has been excellent. Lack of DCI always stings, especially at this price point. All I shoot is DCI now because I've been using 2:1 more and more. The lack of mechanical shutter performance is very, very strange.

I would have liked to seen an internal RAW option. Even though the R5's internal RAW is crippled its vastly better to shoot internal without a stupid external recorder. Last weekend I shot some RAW in freezing rain and snow. Would have had to rigged something stupid up if I had to use an external recorder. Also, why the camera companies don't charge a few more $10 of dollars for a proper, bright OLED rear display is beyond me. It's in the EVFs, put it on the back screen please. Now that is revolutionary!

2 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

whilst they make a lot of the electronic shutter, the mechanical one is still only 10fps so lags behind the other two

Maybe a step for Sony to be the first to eliminate the mechanical shutter in their cameras. I can see them taking it out of their next A7S camera and replacing it with their eND + IBIS technology.

I think with YouTube in general the problem is people are told to set their camera to 24fps because it's the movie standard. That is fine. But then they go on to record their video without thinking about their frame rate: camera pans that are too fast, subjects moving in the frame too fast, parallaxing shots that are too fast and look weird.

I see this commonly with drone shots with parallax shots. Maybe their shutter speed was off, or they filmed in 30fps and then forgot to conform it. I definitely notice it at the 0:28 mark in the video.

Maybe in the future the world will standardized on PAL (or something close) and we can just make 25fps the new cinema standard and do away with the weird (but genius) quirks with NTSC cathode ray tube jiggery they did.

Impressive beast!

Sony seems to be the only camera manufacturer that gets the whole ease of connectivity thing in the age of smartphones. They took baby steps with their phone integration with the A1.

17 hours ago, Rob6 said:

Especially comparing with the different r5 modes of 4K with and without 4K fine.

The 4KLQ mode is fine to use in a pinch if you can't film in 4KHQ mode. The OLPF (or whatever canon is doing) helps with the line-skipping and pixel binning and a small amount of sharpening in post cleans up the rest. So in good lighting, 4KLQ looks pretty good. Way better than EOS R ever did that much is for sure. If it's going on Youtube and you're not zooming in 200% percent on your image YouTube will make it look like trash regardless.

I also find the 4KHQ mode upto 128000 ISO is quite amazing for 45MP sensor.

I'm also wondering if the RED Komodo is using the same sensor but with a global shutter. If you do the math for the crop the megapixels come out exactly.

On 1/21/2021 at 3:41 PM, zerocool22 said:

Hope this is true. Then I only have to wait on a amd processor that can smoothly edit this footage and then I might get one + the price will already have dropped (or at least used).

The CR2 "rumor" rating is worrisome, along with words from the head of Canon's imaging division.

This camera needs Clog3 with real world improvements in DR in 4K modes to stay more competitive. We already kinda get CLOG2 in 8K RAW mode.

18 hours ago, plucas said:

5.1K Canon RAW Light would be welcome for the crop mode, especially in 50/60p.

This would be awesome but I highly doubt it. It will be interesting to see what they do with the rumored R1 1DX replacement. Latest rumors is it has a 45MP+ sensor and will shoot 8K. Sony as well with their A9III. I guess high MP are coming to the sports cameras.

16 hours ago, Nautical said:

I have a 1DC and an R5.  To my eyes the R5 is the image that is closest to 1DC of all the Canon cameras I have used (that would include the C100 II, C200, C300 I and II, XC10,  1DX II, 5D II-III-IV and the R).  In “EOS Original” it is very, very close, although I think reds are handled slightly differently.  I have an irrational reverence for my 1DC even though its a 2012 camera.  It was the camera I compared all others against. So when I say the R5 is the closest I mean that as high praise.  And frankly the R5’s 8k RAW and 4K is superior to the 1DC.

I am not super technical  on the color front but to me there was a clear shift in Canon colors somewhere around 2013-2015  (ie 5D III, C100 Mark II and 1DC are prior to this shift and 5D IV,  C200,  1DX Mark II and R are after this shift and they feel different).  The neutral/ eos original matrix didn’t seem to completely even out those differences either to my eyes in the later cameras. For some reason the R5 feels more like a reversion to the older color but in slightly more mature form (and 10 bit definitely helps).   I know some people propose the C70 as the 1DC successor and that may true from a C-line hybrid form factor perspective, but the colors and image seem very different .

Very interesting about the color. I haven't done any formal tests but the 8K RAW on the R5 just looks so damn good. More than just the resolution. It's insane data rate makes it a very specialized tool for me (which I have no problem with).

I also just watched CVP's video about the EF-RF 0.71x speed booster on the R5. Will only be a matter of time before people start playing around with R5 + Speedbooster + vintage medium format glass (Mamiya 654/7, Bronica, Pentax 645, etc...) in 8K RAW mode.

On 1/19/2021 at 3:30 PM, independent said:

But the 8k raw’s detail and color are superior to anything under $15k. 

While a bold statement, its 8K RAW certainly can punch above its weight class, so to speak. Pretty good for a non-video 8K video camera that people aren't buying for video...🤔

Just turn the color matrix in the log settings to "EOS Original".

As per Canon's own R5 manual: "EOS Original reproduces colors equivalent to those of the EOS-1D C."

How true in practice it is, I don't have a 1DC to test. Maybe @Dave Maze is interested in looking into this?

Canon EOS R5 owner to Canon...

I bought the EOS R5 based on its video performance AND photo performance.

Your subsequent firmware releases for the R5 and R6 seem to contradict the wishes of your imaging division general manager, Tsuyoshi Tokura, despite reality.

I agree with Andrew here, this man shouldn't have a job.

4 hours ago, scotchtape said:

Am I the only one here who got the A7SIII?

@Oliver Daniel has one.

4 hours ago, scotchtape said:

If the A7IV is any good I'll get one of those too.

This will probably be another important benchmark camera that sets the bar for quality for price. It will be interesting to see where Sony places it with the new market realities.

I feel like Sony has a lot of compression going on in their product line with a A7IV <--> A7SIII <--> FX6. I feel like they will cripple the A7IV in the 4K HFR department and heaven forbid the 10-bit codec department.

I would be more excited for a A7RV and wether they push the megapixels up and up or start including 10-bit oversampled video options. Personally, I would prefer better video recording out of a new A7R but they probably feel the pressure from medium format on the high end and would want to compete there with their high resolution FF cameras.

On 1/16/2021 at 11:55 PM, kye said:

the more that I find that the limitation of the camera is me, and so when people criticise, they're just criticising their own limitations and trying to buy their way out.

Totally agree!

I'm already set for 2021 and beyond. I traded in my GH5S for an R5. The crop mode in the R5 is a hidden sleeper feature for those that care. Feels like a S35 GH5 w/ amazing AF without anamorphic and a few other bells and whistles. Oversampled 4.8K (in DCI) or 5.1K (in UHD) 4K up-to 60p. I'm more than happy with it. I have had zero issues with overheating after the latest firmware update and with taking the time to turn the camera off when I didn't immediately need it (reposition, brainstorming, etc...). The countdown timer is annoying and anxiety-inducing but I've just learned to ignore it.

My M1 MBP arrived today as well. It cuts and edits footage from R5 wonderfully with no transcoding or proxies and with FULL playback quality in the viewer, even with Rec.709 LUT applied.

I don't think I would have gotten an R5 if it wasn't for the new M1 Macs to be honest and I would still recommend a C70 to anyone that just doesn't want to fuss with the overheating potential.

Wishing everybody a more productive and healthy 2021!

I would be surprised if we see anything from JIP Olympus that wasn’t already developed or prototyped before Olympus sold to JIP. In a shrinking market inside a shrinking market (MFT camera market) I would be surprised they would invest anything.

Maybe Panasonic looking to partner could invest or buy off patents or licensing agreements from JIP? You know that certain AF technology. 

3 hours ago, Matins 2 said:

The whole web experience seems to have gotten worse compared to 15 years ago in terms of bloatedness, genuine content, censorship, tracking and search results.

Web today our biometrics tomorrow.

“Andrew Reid identified. He looked at product 4321 in bay 7 in aisle 9 for 30 seconds longer than normal. Show ad to him before he leaves the store”

I think it’s safe to say with modern LongGOP implementations the image quality between it and ALL-I is insignificant.

If your videos in the end are exported to YouTube, Vimeo, or DVD disk your workflow funnels through a LongGOP encoder in the end.

So image quality with respect to LongGOP vs ALL-I isn’t very important.

ALL-I main advantage is in the amount of work your decoder has to do to playback, slice, change colors while your editing it.

With all that being said, and with storage being relatively cheap, I prefer ALL-I and only shoot LongGOP when I need to fit more on a card.

I wonder if it will work with R5 in its 1.6x crop mode? You will still lose DOF but gain back FOV and get 1 extra stop of light.

On 1/8/2021 at 11:18 PM, Dave Maze said:

Anyone have experience with the metabones speed booster for c70? Work good enough?

There has been very little on it so far. I wonder if it is a availability problem or lack of interest.

There have been reports that the speedbooster works on the Komodo.