Video Hummus
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7 hours ago, webrunner5 said:
I thought the GH5s Does shoot 4K 60p internally, but it is not @ 10bit 4.2.2, but @ 8bit 4.2.0???
Correct.
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11 minutes ago, OliKMIA said:
Kind of disappointed to be honest. The S1 seems to be a fine camera but it's the most expensive camera in this range with limited and expensive lens selection. There are no legacy lenses and nothing special on the specs sheet. The huge crop in 4k60 is a deal breaker for me.
I was expecting a FF GH5 and I just discovered a Z6/A7III +Looking forward for the review.
As long as those companies pay Sony to package their sensor features and capabilities, Sony will always be able to deliver more spec'd out products with CMOS sensors for cheaper.
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1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said:
The fine gentlemen are wrong.
I could select 4K60p in the internal codec menus and record to SD card, at 150mbit
8bit correct?
I thought I saw that in the next firmware they will be adding ability to unlock 4K60p 10bit 4:2:0 internal recording and you only get the 10bit 4:2:2 with external.
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1 hour ago, PannySVHS said:
@Andrew Reid Hey Andrew, great interview. I really like the introduction. Awesome that you had a such an open talk and constructive time with the Lumix S1 team and its leading gentleman. The current codec choices are Lumix G7 territory, which would not make me consider to buy this camera. I hope for GH5 codec choices, ALL Intra included and full VLOG. Then this would be my first full frame video/cinema camera. All full frame GH5 with full VLOG and without artificial sharpening and good battery life- here is my money! For now these codecs area available, which give Lumix G7 and GX85 quality.
Well you in luck because Panasonic has awesome track record of adding features in consistent firmware updates. It’s one of the reasons I prefer to buy Panasonic over other brands. I know they’ll keep it fresh for the users.
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2 hours ago, toxotis70 said:
so, no 4k 60p FF ?
The S1 will get it in paid upgrade for V-Log and 4K 10-bit 60p internal.
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Wed photo video did a preview of it and the autofocus in video was pretty stellar looking, as in it looked like a Sony or canon camera.
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The Aputure Dec device is interesting but too expensive and bulky. I just want something that looks like a speed booster that has electronic contacts on both sides for electronic passthrough and an electronic ND powered off camera batteries.
doesnt canon own metsbones? They could easily do this for their speedbooster.
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17 hours ago, kye said:
What compromises for video do you think they're making to get good photo quality? What does the G9 do better for photographs?
What about timelapses?
Not a whole lot right now. ? G9 has 20MP sensor (same as the Gh5). More robust IBIS. Pixel shift technology for ultra high MP photos (80MP) for static scenes. It’s a GH5 Tweaked a bit for just photos. It still takes great video but has a recording limit.
I was suggesting Panasonic shift the GH line to be video centric and keep the G line photo centric. As I believe the strength of M4/3 is in video and it’s less compelling in photos. Unless Panasonic can deliver a high megapixel sensor with good enough low light to be compelling against full frame. People want that shallow depth of field in their photos now and m4/3 is just not going to do it out of the box. They are the better street camera in my opinion though. Smaller lenses means more discreet.
I would like to see Panasonic move the GH6 in the same direction as they moved the GH5S. Less but bigger mega pixels for better low light. Dual ISO. Internal ND ? HDMI type-A out. Kinda like what Sony does with the A7sii versus the A7Rii. Tune the M4/3 format for video capture. They obviously think full frame is the future for their photo professionals.
A GH6 with a fixed 16MP sensor that super-samples 16MP down to a final 10MP 4K image for added noise reduction and killer electronic stabilization (GoPro 7 levels and better). The cinematic pros can flip a switch and turn off “IBIS” and have their fixed sensor and 5K anamorphic modes. Improve the dual iso performance. Include next generation DfD AF. Support 4K 120p without a crop. Better codecs, better flip screen, better weather sealing. Offer a better ND solution (internal or via adapter). Anything is better than screw on lens NDs.
10 hours ago, Shirozina said:The Ronin-S has the integration with the Panasonic cameras to control focus and trigger recording from the gimbal without touching the camera.
That’s a great gimbal but on the heavy side. A Moza Air Cross 3 is a nice, light feature rich gimbal that I would recommend.
I wish DJI would release a Ronin-S mini or something.
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A GH5S + a light gimbal (I’ve had my eye on Icecam Vision 3; anyone have experience with it?) is a killer combo that does almost everything well except maybe extreme DOF and if you need that then a speedbooster will fix it.
In my opinion you can’t beat the versatility of a good m4/3 camera for video like the GH5(s) series. Almost any lens can be adapted to it. It offers a great balance between DOF and lightness/size of lenses and, when you need it, can be adapted to get the look you want. Every time.
panasonic would do well to recognize this and deliver the GH6 as a full fledged video monster. Forget the photo quality. The G9 is better in that regard.
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Wow, I can’t believe Olympus dropped the ball on this one. This was their chance to prove they could pack enough compelling features into a M4/3 camera to justify the price point of $3000. If they had electronic ND, 4K/60p and amazing IBIS it would have a chance in the video world. Everybody wants the Pro full frame look now in photos. It’s over.
If Panasonic doesn’t release a killer M4/3 camera with these features then I’m afraid GH5S will be the last m4/3 camera I buy.
I’ll give up sensor size for compelling features any day. Stop adding compelling features....what’s the point.
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On 1/14/2019 at 3:44 PM, Mokara said:
Current processor technology likely could encode 8K30p, but it would require serious cooling to do so, which is not practical in consumer setups.
Not when people have 85" 8K TV panels as the consumer standard (and yes, that will happen sooner than you think). You can already tell the difference between UHD and FHD on a 65" 4K panel (when footage is actually shot with a camera that delivers properly resolved 4K). What do you suppose will happen when the consumer sweet spot hits 85" 8K? All of your FHD footage that is really only 720p resolution is going to look pretty dated on those screens.
Consumers might have 8K TVs but how many will be playing 8K content on them?
It’s not the screen sizes it’s the cost of storage and data transfer rates that drive resolutions. They start to become quite expensive once you reach 8K. But I’m sure Samsung or LG would love to sell you that 7 foot 8K television to hang on your wall for bragging rights.
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I would really hope Panasonic considers adding this to at least their GH5S cameras. It is a cinema-lite camera after all.
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I'd take better quality 4K, i.e better dynamic range, 10bit, HDR, compressed RAW codec over 8K any day. 5 years from now I'll take 8K standard. I think people are under estimating the burden of handling 8K video. With media costs where they are at today, 8K is just stupid in a consumer camera. There are a lot of factors that make a particular scene in a video compelling. Resolution is at the bottom. Yes, I'm aware a 480p video is worst than a 1080p, but there is the law of diminishing returns.
From most important to least.
1. Audio
1.5 Composition ?
2. Lighting
3. Dynamic Range
4. Bit rate
5. Bit depth
6. Resolution (1080p and up)
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I think its scientifically proven that Sony users are more likely to die penniless and of heart failure caused by high blood pressure. Prove me wrong.
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Fuji did a spectacular job this year, except for the puzzling X-H1 release. Panasonic continues to be racked over the coals for giving, imho, the best ergo, codec, features, in a camera. It’s a workhorse but people are still complaining about its very useable (as of Oct) autofocus. Canon shit the bed, plain and simple. Nikon did OK. Sony A7iii weak sauce all almost everything but price.
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Latest rumor is that it has a built in ND filter.
https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-the-olympus-e-m1x-also-has-a-live-nd-filter/
Things are moving in the right direction for a $3,000 MFT camera.
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I have a GH5s. In real world use the noise performance has been pretty great. Stellar in fact compared to GH5. There have been a few shots in candle light that had some noise in the shadows, but I made the mistake and was too underexposed. Noise reduction in post and poof my OCD was fine again. Totally usable even before.
Also, I don’t touch V-LogL. I’ve been using the HLG profile with Paul Lemmings LUT, exposing to the right, and it’s been outstanding.
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On 11/12/2018 at 8:04 PM, Yurolov said:
Like I said before, and most people disagreed with me, the future of m43 is a gimbleless future. If they can give us perfectly stabilised footage straight out of camera that alone makes it unique among the competition and saves a lot in time and the extra cost of a gimbal. I don't know what 7.5 stops will mean practically once they do their crop but I would imagine we are getting pretty close.
I agree. M4/3 can't compete in the megapixel race but it is well positioned with its tiny sensor to move in this direction. A combination of IBIS and electronic stabilization with feedback from an accelerometer and gyro (like the gopro 7) and you could have gimbal levels of performance.
I can't see M4/3 surviving in the high end market any other way.
I'd love the GH6 to have a 20MP sensor, 4K120p, gimbal levels of stabilization, Fuji/Pany organic sensor with ISO performance as good or better than GH5s, and internal ND (via the organic sensor), and articulating screen. Slap on the new 10-25mm f1.7 and you have perhaps the perfect run and gun shooting, b-cam, street journalistic style video-adventure -camera ever?
On 11/12/2018 at 8:38 PM, webrunner5 said:Actually just using that tech that is in the Hero7 Black in a mirrorless would be pretty good. Sure i it is not so hot side to side, but walking running it gets the job done big time. I have Zero desire to run around with a Gimbal. None. They on average are just too damn fragile and you stand out like a sore thumb using one.
I would pay good money (3K+) for this as well. If Pany or Oly could make a M4/3 mirrorless camera that I could take out of my backpack and run around and take 4K 60/120p stabilized video without a gimbal that looks like it was shot on a gimbal, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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On 10/5/2018 at 1:17 PM, webrunner5 said:
Ahh you must be new, hell you are, welcome aboard. Great way to start off. Super good info. Now we are Really informed. My day is complete. But since I am such a nice guy I'll send you one of the extra Arri Alexa's I got for mentioning them. Heck maybe I will send you the Gimbal I said I will BUY. No freebee on that cheap ass thing. I only get 50 thousand dollar stuff free. Guess the cheap stuff is not a big enough write off for them. ☹️
I lurk. My post was in jest, but I'll take the credit for amply informing you.
P.S. The Ari Alexa has not arrived yet.
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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:
I just looked up on You Tube at footage on the mk III and on average it looks no better to me than any modern Smartphone footage, other than maybe low light stuff. Now the video Andrew did was damn good, but he could have damn near done that with his cellphone also. I just don't see it. I'll stay with my iPhone X. Like I said in another thread, I just don't see most m4/3 cameras anymore as a great buy.
And I don't know how long this thing has been out, but this is one hell of a Gimbal for a phone. And it is cheap and light. Pretty amazing. I think I will buy one.
I think webrunner5 might be one of these brand infiltrators Andrew was talking about.
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Panasonic doesn’t want to use PDAF because they don’t want to pay a licence or royalty fees. Panasonic developed their own sensor so they don’t have to pay a licence or royalty fees. Canon has patents on DPAF and they aren’t about to give up the only thing that Canon has going for it.
Sony owns the sensor market. They make the sensors in the DJI drones, in the GH5s, the Nikon D850, iPhones, etc...(the whole reason the sensor in the Canon R sucks is because its not a Sony sensor) Sony’s whole market strategy with the A73 was to set the price point lower to squeeze out the competition. They make royalties on all these other sensors used by a lot of their competitors. They can afford to take hits to their margin when they make money on their competitors cameras.
Computational photograpy is the future. More powerful chips in cameras are the future. Don’t believe me? Pull out that iPhone or Samsung smartphone in your pocket. Look at what samsung and apple are doing. They are the #1 and #2 camera brands in the world. Panasonic needs to innovate in this direction.
DFD is f*cking amazing for AF-S. I for one hope panasonic can improve on their DFD tech for AF-C. It can be generalized, software updated, and not baked into hardware. I’m glad they are taking an innovate approach to improving it with machine learning (ML).
I own a A73 and, yes, the autofocus is good if you want to be lazy but it only gets you 85% of the way there for video. If you aren’t a vlogger or bad wedding filmmaker you are already shooting in manual to nail the shot and get paid.
This FF camera is Panasonics lasts chance to be relevant in this shrinking market. They need to innovate the hell out of the mirrorless camera and offer something novel or die on the vine. I hope they don’t leave m43 users behind. The industry is moving to FF for the money, so they can sell you a $3000 camera with decent autofocus and $2500 lenses so you can hold it 2 feet from your face and be the next Peter McKinnon.
I hope they have a m43 compatible mount and sensor that gives me multi-aspect ratio, can take m43 glass, can shoot great 4K 120fps m43 video and options for great FF glass if I want it.
I don’t want to lug around a 200-800mm full frame lense that costs 14k and weights 9 pounds. This is the undeniable advantage of m43.
Shooting with the Panasonic S1 in Barcelona
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And yet the Z series was also a mixed bag with reviewers as well. We are spoiled for choice these days and yet “Pros” like Tony Northrop live stream what is effectively a “sh*t post” about a camera he hasn’t touched and recommends the GH5 as an alternative camera? What? The S series is a hybrid full frame. Panasonic’s first. They did a pretty good job from what I have seen. Does everybody remember the first Sony mirrorless cameras? My god...