Video Hummus

Ebay (and PayPal) is toxic as fuck. I don't know how anybody can use it. I tried to sell some unused camera stuff a few years back and every bid I got was fraudulent and some dickhead trying to get me to send a product before PayPal payment "cleared". Meanwhile E-bay takes seller fees. 🖕🏻

The whole experience is dog shit and after that I never touched the site again. Same with PayPal. They fucking suck too.

If you factor in the time and stress, @Andrew Reid, that you had to deal with you are out much more than £1754.

5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

The auto translated subtitles are actually pretty decent to be able to follow along.

For fans of Aty, one of the locations they shot in this video looks suspiciously like one of the waterfall areas that he frolics about in.

Weird, my subtitles were stuck to Japanese.

I believe this is Japanese but even without understanding anything I can tell it was a way better "review" or hands-on than DPReview did.

7 hours ago, currensheldon said:

Yes, the Youtube influencer machine is awful, but Gerald is the least offensive offender. He does all technical reviews, true, but at least he does a thorough and honest job. Only CVP is anywhere close to the usefulness of his reviews from a pure tech standpoint.

Yes, I have nothing against information style videos like Gerald did. I quite enjoy CVP much more as they actually use the camera and offer feedback. Gerald's videos are kinda like technical launch promo videos. I find the deep dives of the technical bits useful and I throw the rest away, including any buying advice. Infinitely more useful than anything from Peter McKinnon or Matti. They are now purely lifestyle channels with a camera fetish slant. When people say influencer those guys are the textbook definition. When they want something they ask or e-mail companies to send them free shit and then tell you to stay humble. 

1 minute ago, EduPortas said:

Never thought I'd see the day when the author of this blog would stoop down to some youtuber that is clearly a technician.

Dude has no idea of what constitutes art and does not care. He's in it for the views and the afillo links.

Guess it's 2021.

 

I don't see the big deal. It's free content where he pretty thoroughly tells you about a camera. Use your brain to decide if its right for your artistry. Rent the gear and try it out.

Andrews beef was he compared it to Sony A7R series and judged it by that and not just let it stand on its own. Perhaps Gerald should stop giving buying advise and just stick to telling you facts about operating modes and handling and use cases based on the time he had with it. The ALEXA Mini is a terrible camera when you try to shoehorn it into a consumer A7 series criteria checkbox list (no grip, no EVF, hard to hand hold) It's just a different tool.

41 minutes ago, androidlad said:

Based on information from multiple sources, Canon originally planned to announce this camera as R1. However the Sony A1 was completely unexpected and too competitive. So Canon made a strategic decision to reposition this camera as R3, buying time to develop R1 that can truly compete with A1.

Interesting. Probably a 20MP sensor. 

To be fair Gerald’s audience isn’t who the fp camera is for and he knows it.

I was recently looking at the fp-L + tiny sigma 24mm f3.5 as a small b-cam and backup high-megapixel photo camera (electronic shutter not an issue for my use case).

I agree the 61MP sensor in such a small body is pretty cool and the ability to strip it down by taking off a modular grip and EVF is attractive. Lots of options.

I would still like to see a bit more ecosystem pop up before I drop some money. 

1 hour ago, wolf33d said:

My bet is a pro 3 this year with M43 sensor and interchangeable lenses. 

ZENMUSE X5S is exactly this and it is much bigger. Perhaps they can get a M43 sensor with a slightly redesigned camera module. M43 is around 24% larger. I think the sensor size is doable but the optics might be harder.

Depending on how they implement the eye-controlled AF it could be really, really useful, especially in video applications. Although, it would take practice.

I'm not sure how it was implemented in the EOS 3, but hopefully it is programmable to a button like back-button-focus and that it uses your eye focus as an intelligent subject focus giving it more information about what is important in the frame.

Think switching quickly between two athletes in the heat of the action or wildlife/bird photography and focusing on the bird and not the grass or branches in front. Kinda like a AF limiter that narrows the amount of decisions the AF has to make to determine what it should track.

Something looks off about the rendering. Perhaps a early internal mock-up design?

Also, the naming. Reviving a one off EOS 3 back in the film days. Could also be they are just segmenting the market more to make sure they hit every price point because they plan on charging a hefty price for a flagship R1.

Will be interesting if this is the “R5C”, ie not a real C badged Canon but basically an R5 internal specs on steroids with mechanical shutter and then the R1 will be $2000-3000 more and perhaps global shutter.

2 hours ago, androidlad said:

Fixed f/2.8 Aperture

 

Bummer. 

9 hours ago, UncleBobsPhotography said:

That's the video that confused me in the first place.

Yeah, I posted it and then realized you posted just a few questions up. I had clicked on it in a new tab, forgot about it, then watched it later. Sorry!

10 hours ago, gt3rs said:

Partially as they also don't have explanation how it works. What we know that RAW, RAW with Clog (more headroom for HL but more shadow noise) and RAW with Clog3 (even more headroom for HL but even more shadow noise) are different but stilly RAW as you can apply WB,  any log curve, etc.. They process RAW with Clog3 on by applying a Clog2 curve in Resolve.

Now I'm even more confused.... would be nice if Canon would publish a white paper that explain what they are doing....

They also mention that this is strange and question if it is true RAW data as something is being processed in a certain chosen gamma. 

Lots of questions answered in this video about R5 RAW and CLOG3.

4 minutes ago, independent said:

Right, "gradation in highlights" = better highlight rolloff. 

That's the purpose of the clog3 gamma curve, to allocate data across another stop (or so). Clog has a steeper curve in the highlights, so you don't get as smooth of a transition. But clog3 has a penalty in the shadows though.

8 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

There is no curve in RAW as it is impossible as is not debeyered

That's why they find the wording in the manual from Canon confusing.

I haven’t bought an action camera since GoPro 3. Latest phones are just as good or better and just as water proof now. But I will buy the first 8K 360 camera that has a decent image. 

2 hours ago, ade towell said:

Have been testing the R6 and one major irritant for me is that I can't use the cameras touch screen and record internally when I have an external monitor hooked up. Really shitty thing to do, is this the same with the R5?

Yes sir. 

On 4/6/2021 at 9:25 AM, kye said:

They should just make a battery grip that contains an M2 SSD slot that automagically connects to the camera and records the compressed raw on that - bingo..  "external" raw.

Or licence Prores from Apple and offer those options.  

....or just make it possible to select whatever bitrate and bit depth you want and turn off sharpening, that would do it for me.  

I think there is also the issue of "how" the RAW data is compressed not just the insanely broad "all RAW from camera compressed higher than 3:1" belongs to RED.

Canon clearly has some kind of deal with RED when there is CRAW Light 8:1 in Hybrid DSLM R5. This, and the fact they fit internal NDs in RF mount flange, makes me incredible excited for future camera generations from Canon.

So I find it doubtful we will see RAW in GH6. I would be really surprised. I think they should do what Sigma did and just offer uncompressed 10-bit and 12-bit RAW and develop that external storage grip solution you are proposing and have the huge file sizes countered with cheap M.2 SSD media recording.

It has been forever since we heard even a whisper of a rumor about hybrid GH cameras. They are either entirely reworking the model line or they are going to kill it and focus on S series FF cameras.

6 hours ago, gt3rs said:

I want a mini 250 g with 1'' sensor, not interested in bigger drone as is now just a pita especially here if you need/wants to fly over people. Would be already good 10bit with log in the current mini 2

I think we will see it...eventually. But I also think the drone laws will get more restrictive as FPV drones become more popular.

Still a shame they didn't keep the OG Air form factor. I guess that is what the Mini is now...

Even if it had terrible flight time, I would rather have a small, light 1" sensor drone with 10-bit log to throw up for 5-8 mins to get unique prospective with high quality video.

This also means a Mavic 3 Pro is probably coming this year as well.

3 hours ago, independent said:

I don't get the complaints about dynamic range. All recent cameras (non-Arri, non-Red) get around 12 stops—including the R5 in raw. 

Raw is noisy, including Redcode, and NR is a necessary tool in post. If you don't want to shoot in Raw, there are other options out there that will give you a cleaner image with higher dynamic range. 

The tradeoff of course will be more artifacts, limited latitude, or worse color. It's your choice. 

Even the Komodo has tradeoffs. On image quality alone, it has relatively awful low-light and limited latitude with dramatic color shifts. 

If you just can't live without 13 stops of dynamic range or the world will be bereft of your creative potential and professional skills, you have a simple answer: C70. 

 

After CLOG3 was added I don't have many complaints. It strikes a nice balance of offering more highlight recovery than clog1 while keeping shadow noise low for easy workflow. I'm sure technically its still behind latest Sony Cameras but comparing them is starting to feel like splitting hairs in 90% of situations. Lots of other things matter after that. Plus we have compressed RAW lite now, and with a bit more effort in post, some amazing results can be achieved for a mirrorless camera (especially one from Canon).

I think after stepping back and looking at the whole package that is the R5 and after having used it for several months now... It's pretty sweet. The 4KLQ thing was massively overblown it was ridiculous. People zooming in on tests charts 200% or 400% and saying it looks like crap (it does). But in the real world after YouTube compression or H264 delivery there isn't that many downsides to using it.

Not to mention the RF mount ecosystem has a bright future with RED KOMODO and future cinema cameras from canon...perhaps Blackmagic will join RF too?!

I would like to see cheap 20/24mm wide F1.8 primes and an updated RP with clog1 and perhaps no crop FF 4K for a replacement for the M50 style camera. A quality, powered digital hotshot mic would be nice with that setup too to keep things lean or at least open up the protocol so Røde, Deity, or Sennheiser can make products for it.

R5 4KHQ, RF 24-70mm, clog3/cinema gamut.

The speed ratings on the cards are for "burst" writing or reading. It's a marketing game. I will only buy from manufactures that list "max continuous/sustained" writing/reading speeds. They usually are much lower than the advertised speed and is the number that is the most important for video and high speed shooting.

You also have to remember these CFExpress cards have firmware that will throttle the speed based on temperature and will routinely write slower (but still plenty fast) to keep heat down. There is no sense in writing at max speed if the data being supplied is at a relative constant rate (such as 8K video coming in at (225 MB/s).

2 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

Yeah the dynamic range for photos on the R6 is really good. Seems more on par with Sony and Nikon vs the EOS R or older Canon DSLRs which were always behind in shadow and highlight retention. 

It's weird on the R5 even in RAW dynamic range is not great. The A7S3 and Panasonic S1 are quite a bit better. The shadows do hold more detail in RAW than CLOG1 and CLOG3 which basically cut off the shadows to reduce noise, but the highlights just aren't there. 

Yeah, I love the new RAW Lite but it kinda isn't worth it when the DR seems gimped even in clog2 mode. So much processing to do to clean up shadows to eek out 0.3 stops extra.

The clog3 mode does offer 1 stop better highlight recovery and its worth using, especially in the 4KHQ. I've been shooting it with cinema gamut and it looks nice with the R5 Cinema Gamut CLOG3 to Rec.709 LUT. You do have to tweak the exposure quite a bit but the highlights recovery much better than clog1.

They just need to fix the damn view assist.

2 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

I hope Panasonics next release has internal RAW. Panasonic has always been one to push boundaries. 

Me too. Even if it is 5:1 or 3:1 with large file sizes. At least it will be there. Cost of media is always going down so it becomes less and less expensive to shoot.

I can also see having high frame rate RAW in a GH6 beneficial for wildlife and sports. 8K60p RAW would be nice for birding/wildlife. 4K240p would be a step up and make it a large sensor high frame rate speciality camera, perhaps even 960p in 1080. I've seen great stuff done with Sony RX camera at 960fps for low budget slowmo.

The 8:1 compression for RAW on R5 makes the RAW very useable imho. It's just a shame, even with clog2, that the final image is just gimped in the DR department compared to other FF cameras and the C70. I've been playing around with the clog3 mode and the more I use it the more I think it was a solid upgrade for the R5, especially for the 4KHQ mode—especially in cinema gamut.

On 4/1/2021 at 9:07 AM, ade towell said:

Wondering if the RAW light would also allow some of the cheaper cfexpress cards to work better. The price of the officially compatible ones are still eye watering

I've had no problems with my Angelbird AV Pro 256GB in any mode. They offer some of the best $/GB for CFExpress Type B. I was thinking about upgrading to their 1TB card since the released firmware to address the slow boot ups.

They sure bungled the clog3 update with the view assist, wtf. What is the point of a rec709 preview if it's blown out on the screen when correctly exposed? Also, the light versions of the codecs make little sense if the 29m59s recording limits are still there!

There were rumors there was a 1.3.2 firmware version for R5, hopefully it addresses this issue and makes clog3 as easy to record in as clog1.

2 minutes ago, elgabogomez said:

Red still has the patent for compressed raw recording, atomos got a deal with them and was able to have the prores raw, canon got a deal with them and is able to have canon raw lite. Blackmagic created Braw to avoid a Red lawsuit and is in the clear. Everyone else can’t have internal compressed raw on any camera.

Now s1h can send out the hdmi signal for compressed raw to two different formats, so no, I don’t think internal raw is coming to any Panasonic camera any time soon.

I think the addition of Canon RAW lite to the R5 at around 8:1 compression is a big deal. It's in a Canon hybrid camera ffs. If only they would release a R5 mk2 or r5c or whatever with good dynamic range and no overheating to take advantage of it and give RED a run for their money.

I think for sure GH6, if released, will be the last MFT camera from Panasonic. The only thing it has going for it would he high frame rate, high resolution video.