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I am not a RED user, but RED body style and modularity is much more attractive to me than whatever the hell Blackmagic are doing over there. The URSA is a shoulder ENG style camera in an age where most folks are shooting on gimbals and going handheld. Not to say shoulder still isn't one of the best ways to go, but I just don't think thats what the majority of the market (especially younger filmmakers) are doing.  I think if Blackmagic would have simply redesigned the body into something more modular and possibly even re-named it - they would have really knocked on REDs door. I mean the pocket line ergonomics have to be the worst of any camera I have ever used. But, I still have to agree that what you get with Blackmagic for the cost is insane. Also, BRAW will never beat RED Raw for the simple fact that RED owns the patent and is a true RAW format, where BRAW is solid, but its a faux RAW to skirt around the patent. 

I keep getting more and impressed by the actual image this camera is producing. I was kind of preparing to be "meh'd" by the footage, but the video quality looks fantastic in the few videos I have seen. The color science seems great and it seems to have a slight sharpness reduction which to me is fantastic - I hate overly sharp digital footage - i'm guessing this is due to the aa filter, similar to the S1H. It just slightly takes the edge off. I have said it before and I will say it again, it looks very similar to my C200 footage.

Just now, zerocool22 said:

Looks like the weakest point of this camera is the codec. How can anyone edit these kind of projects, I cant even playback 2 files smooth, let alone 1000. 

I optimized media in resolve and it was smooth as butter after that. Also, final cut seemed to play it back much more smoothly. But regardless, I agree. Very beefy files. Hopefully that lower bitrate update becomes a reality. 

28 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

As I never had a camera with IBIS can it be turned off (I think so)? And what is the effect on a gimbal when off?

Yes ibis can be turned off. I agree with others and IBIS is one area where people will need to test because it’s new to Canon, but it’s also one area where canon can continue to tweak with firmware updates. The cameras that we are seeing footage from now are probably on old firmware as well. I have mostly seen weirdness in wide angle shots, but wide angle is where I have seen weirdness in most my IBIS shots In other cameras. For example on the 24mm side of things with my S1H it had wobble. 

2 hours ago, Lux Shots said:

Stunning? You really think this is stunning? Every camera looks good on an overcast day with limited dynamic range.

Looks stunning to me as well.  Interesting how it seems people on the internet these days get more frustrated when people saying something positive, rather than getting frustrated at people for saying something negative. Here, let me chime in - I don't give a shit what the weather is like. I don't give a shit what every other camera does. This particular footage looks "stunning" to me as well. The colors look fantastic, with great skin tones. It's not overly sharp like certain other cameras with a nice smooth/cinematic feel to the footage and it has great motion cadence. To my eyes, who has shot and watched thousands of clips from various manufacturer - it seems to  hit above its weight class on just what I'm seeing in this video and the clips that I have downloaded. Super easy to grade and it looks very similar to my C200 files. I can appreciate the S1H AND Canon R5 or any other camera. 

I have a nvidia 1080ti and it chokes in resolve for me. Optimize media does the trick, still a bit bummed it doesn’t playback smooth regularly. 

Some great looking footage here. Not going to lie, this looks just as good as my Canon C200 videos. Colors looks amazing, dynamic range looks better than I thought it would, and its all shot handheld:

I got the drop in filter adapter and preordered the R5. Chat find the clear filter in stock though. Debating if I want the battery grip or not, I take portraits, so it might be useful for that. 

My thoughts:

 I don’t really get how people are upset that 8k raw overheats...why are you looking at a small mirrorless camera if you need long captures of 8k raw to begin with? Buy a real cinema camera. I think everyone is forgetting what this camera is and what was asked of Canon. Everybody is getting mad at canon for giving us what the majority of people asked.
 

People wanted a canon mirrorless camera that was full frame with amazing IBIS, dual pixel autofocus, high megapixel count for photos , and could shoot 4K 4:2:2 10 bit uncropped, with a swivel screen. So, they did that. They did exactly that and more. So then they thought, well we could give them a full raw 8k readout of the sensor and have them record as long as they can before it overheats, better than holding it back. Also, we can throw them 4K 120 as well and also have them go as long as they can before we max out. I mean, might as well give them everything the camera can do, instead of just not unlocking it and having the magic lantern folks do it for us, right? 

So they threw in some crazy bonuses nobody was asking for and here we are, people bitching. The camera everyone wanted is here. The full frame autofocus beast with great IBIS, 10 bit, no crop, and great at photos true hybrid by canon is here and we are upset. Are we complaining that they have the overheating numbers written down? Because there is no way It’s a shock that 4K 60p 4:2:2 10 bit with dual pixel autofocus will overheat near the 40 minute mark...or are we surprised that 8k raw in a mirrorless full frame with IBIS engaged, dual pixel autofocus,  and no crop in a small mirrorless overheats? I mean, what are we mad about here? 

This is the camera that everyone wanted. There are several frame rates and resolutions that Canon threw in that will be very useful within the limits of this specific camera and yes they have limits, but at least they are unlocked and not behind a magic lantern hack like the old 5D. As someone that shoots an equal mix of photography and video, this is a dream camera. I get a high megapixel camera and high quality video, with all of canons special sauce including their great autofocus and colors. I see no mention of limits for standard 4K 24p and 35 minutes of continuous 4K 60 is more than what I need. If it’s not for you, than that’s fine - keep waiting. 
 

There is so much negativity in the world right now, that I’m honestly not surprised that Canon finally doing something good gets shit on. I expect nothing less at this point. 

Good video by Rob Ellis on super scale for the micro and other 1080p cameras 

40 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said:

That’s a bit sad. Some RED owners unfortunately act like they are part of some elitist cult. On the whole they don’t take criticism lightly. It’s the audience that counts, not the damn camera. 

Although they’ve created a weird vibe about it recently, Komodo is interesting for sure. 

I was removed from the Facebook group because I argued that the footage should be critiqued and analyzed like any other footage. It’s a very weird vibe over there. Either you bow down to Jared or you get the boot. They also preach maturity, but can’t take any criticism. When the whole Red SSD fiasco happened, the amount of people defending Red on their forums were crazy. I don’t even dislike their cameras, but man it feels like you have to constantly walk on eggshells. 

16 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

Well, ladies and gentlemen are we in the most exciting year since a decade for video gear? If this is true then yes. Canon rumors is usually reliable unlike Sony Alpha Rumors that is pure BS. Especially when rated CR3. So here you have it.

Canon EOS R5 for photo + in february

45mpx / IBIS / 8k30p and 4k120p / canon DPAF. Comes with Canon colors and menus that we know.  My dream camera and then more... the one I have been wishing for since many years on EOSHD. The one that could take me back to Canon. 

Also if true, Sony is dead. Canon took a massive hit with Sony being far better than their products since the A7III. They saw a massive number of people like me jump boat, even if massively invested in their system. They released in rush and too late an absolutely shitty EOS R, with laughable video specs, mediocre stills performance (FPS, dynamic range...), no IBIS and early gen mistakes. They should be dying now or soon. Yet before dying it seems they are giving all they can now to make a turn. We can clearly see that with the 1DX3, and HOPEFULLY we will see that with that thing. 
Why R5? Is it to rule the Sony RIV? :).

Anyway Specs sound unreal... so brace yourself. But dreaming is free.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-specifications/

At first glance it would seem like those specs are such utter BS...but I have to agree with you, Canon Rumors is hands down the best of the rumor sites. For them to put CR3 means that most of this is probably happening. There are still a lot of questions. For example what is the crop for the 4k modes, will the camera shoot raw lite or raw in 4k mode, what are the file sizes, etc.

Also for a company that always wants to protect its cinema line, 8k raw just seems so odd and out of left field. I have a couple of initial reactions - one is that Canon want to get the specs leaked to scare Sony, but some of the specs are misleading. The second one is that they are actually accurate and Canon does not want to mess around anymore and they realize in order sell the expensive new RF glass they have, they need to go nuclear and drop a camera with such insane specs that everyone and their mother wants to switch over. All I know is that 2020 is about to be an insane year - XT4, A7S3, all these new Canon cameras, possible GH6, Red Komodo, possible new Canon C400, and who knows what Blackmagic has cooking. Start saving now, it is going to be an expensive year.  

19 hours ago, currensheldon said:

This camera is very tempting and I love Canon, though I find the EOS R a total pain to use (and the rolling shutter really is bad). Much rather use an S1H or Fuji, which are actually fun to use and hold. But, I have lots of EF glass, shoot with the C200 or C300 II quite a bit, so staying with Canon for awhile.

While the 1DX III is very tempting, I don't see myself using the raw that much because the file sizes are huuuuuuge - though full-frame 4k in 10-bit 422 is awesome. C200 4K raw is my max and even that isn't something I can use on most projects. I think the Red Komodo could be a game changer for Canon. They are going to sell a lot of EF and RF lenses because of that camera, I believe. I've almost went in on a C500 II purchase, but didn't. I've almost pre-ordered this camera, but didn't. I've almost ditched Canon completely and ported everything over to Panasonic or Fuji, but haven't. 

And the main reason is the promise of the Red Komodo and a Canon RF Cinema EOS body (NAB 2020?) and the potential that an RF mirrorless camera with 1DX III specs is very close to arriving. I hate this wait-and-see approach, but so much is changing right now in mounts and tech, that waiting another 6-months might be a good bet...

I’m right there with you. I’m holding off on any big purchases in hopes of a Komodo and a new Canon RF body. I really like what I see from the RF mount and I think that’s what I want to invest in. Both cameras mentioned would share the same mount and make things much easier for me to manage. I’d have a great video camera and hopefully a great hybrid in the Canon, tho even if the canon body is at least high res stills, its video specs don’t need to blow me away since I’d have Komodo. I would sell my Sony kit, possibly sell my Blackmagic kit (UMP, though I do love it, it’s really heavy) and I’ve already sold my S1H. The only current system that I own and would want to keep is my Fuji, small light and I love the jpegs. 

Yeah I love his channel. His contax zeiss episode was one of the best things I’ve seen on YouTube in our genre. It’s refreshing to see someone put in actual effort and not clickbait bullshit over and over. The video/photographer cliche videos are comical at this point “don’t buy until you watch” or “I was wrong about this camera” with the same style thumbnails and the same style videos with horrendous color grading because they used a horrible LUT that blows out their highlights and over-saturates everything. Hopefully we can see more channels like the one you posted. Sorry, I had to vent. 

4 minutes ago, eleison said:

I agree.  The biggest segment is the enthusiast segment. $2-3k at the most.  $6k is too expensive.  However, the few "professional sport" photographers might pony up the cash for this -- but they are a dying breed.  This  camera doesn't have a market nor is it really good enough to create a market for itself.  I really don't see how releasing this camera  helps canon as a company.

I think the important thing for all of us is that this camera has good specs for video - which may not seem like it matters if you are not buying this camera, but it is a good sign for other canon cameras down the road and the industry in general. We need Canon, Sony, Red, Blackmagic, Panasonic and whoever else to continue boxing in the ring, the more one company one ups the other, the better it is for all of us. Wether you like Canon or not, they are a VERY important player in the game (if not the most important due to their marketshare) and if they bring good video specs to more of their cameras - all other companies will have no other choice but to continue and push the bar as well in the consumer/prosumer markets. A big reason why Sony got lazy with video specs (it is now 2020 and none of their cameras do 10 bit), is they really did not need to from a market perspective. I know many have chimed in that Sony needed to make a move to compete with the S1H, well maybe from an ego stand point, but not from a sales standpoint. Panasonic isn't even in their rearview mirror sales wise. Canon on the other hand, they are a company that can make an impact big enough where Sony and all companies have to get even more competitive. So my point in all of this is that yes, this is expensive and most of us won't buy it - but don't lose track of the importance of this camera. This is the first time that RAW internal video is available in a DSLR outside of a magic lantern hack. I am not sure what category Sigma FP is and the blackmagics don't count as DSLRs, so I am sticking with this as the first one. 

3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Found it kinda funny how smoothly you went from talking about one mythical beast (the Sony a7Smk3) to discussing another mythical beast instead (Komodo

At least the Komodo has pictures of itself in the wild and (loose) specs attached to it. When it actually gets released is anybody’s guess, regardless of what Jared says. 

Sony isn’t the one to beat. Sony have the worse video of the bunch. I think we are all giving Sony way too much credit - with their garbage 8 bit codec. They are dead last until their mythical A7s emerges from the belly of the Loch Ness monster.
 

I think the 1DX is for serious hybrid users - which there are a lot of. I don’t think there are any other cameras that come close to compete with it, in the context of hybrid. The S1 line doesn’t have the kind of autofocus to compete on the photo or video side - nor do they shoot RAW internal. The Sony A9 doesn’t have the kind of video specs to compete on the video side. 

Now, if you were to look at this strictly from a video perspective and you don’t shoot fast paced action stills - then I would agree with Andrew. I’d rather get a camera with a compressed RAW format more catered toward video. Though at that point I think we are all forgetting one camera in particular that is around this price range and that is the Komodo. I know Red is a sore subject and I know I have voiced my anger with them. But, if video is really all one wants and if the Komodo specs are actually what they claim at 16 stops of dynamic range, RF mount, autofocus, cfast cards, and red raw and all in a really small body - then I believe the Komodo is going to be the one to beat at the sub 10k price range. 

5 minutes ago, Michi said:

I dont think so. Compare it it to the datarates of the c500 2 and the sigma fp (that has uncompressed raw):

sigma fp 4k 8bit 24p: 1.6 gbs

sigma fp 4k 12 bit 24p: 2.4 gbs

(those are the numbers Mr. Reid states in his review)

canon c500 2 5.9k 12bit 24p: 2.1 gbs

I just saw 50/60p drops to 10bit on the C500 2 too, so the 1dx 3 is canons only camera offering 12bit raw in 50/60p...

I think gt3rs nailed it. It’s some sort of raw, but it’s not their rawlite. Even the newsshooter articles says they wish it had rawlite. 

29 minutes ago, Michi said:

This is RAW lite (as in the C200 and C500 2).  The 9mp for 4k on the c200 is 1gbs, the 16mp for 5.5k on the 1dx3 the corresponding 1.8 gbs.

Other than on the C200, 50/60p raw is not 10bit but also 12bit, meanig datarate is even higher at 2.6 gbs. 
Higher raw compression is probably not possible because of the red-patent...?

Pretty impressive camera. 

You’re mistaken. This camera does not have rawlite. This is full on raw. It seems they are keeping rawlite on their cinema cameras. 

The product page and all articles say it’s full raw. Where as c500 and c200 product pages mention rawlite. Thought the container (crm) seems the same, nothing about this seems “lite”. 

I do wish they offered their rawlite - these video files are going to be massive. Also very curious how much dynamic range this camera has for video.

Ok. I am going to come out and admit that I am floored by this camera. I have been a Canon hater, but this camera is an absolute beast. To have a pro body and amazing photo capabilities - which most already know the 1D line has and then on top of that have internal RAW and amazing DPAF?! It has dpaf autofocus and shoots internal raw and I think the most exciting part for me, is it FINALLY has focus peaking. That was the one thing that was going to make this a non purchase as I use a lot of vintage manual focus glass. Though this prices a lot of people out, if you are a serious hybrid shooter - meaning you do a lot of both - this is a dream camera for you. Obviously there a few downsides, such as the screen for video - but most have external monitors. 

On 12/29/2019 at 5:33 AM, Zak Forsman said:

Seems people like pairing their S1H with Leica-R lenses... and I'm one of them! I'm shooting a short doc on my brother about his comic book, "I Am Not Okay With This", as it's currently being adapted into a series for Netflix. This will be the second time he's had a comic book adapted into a series. The first was "The End of the F*cking World" which did well, however, he told me that people would see him signing copies of the original comic at cons, and accuse him of "ripping off the show". So this time, i wanted to help raise his profile a bit when "I Am Not Okay With This" is released, and it gives me something to flex my creative muscles on. Anyway, some sample stills... Panasonic S1H, Leica Summicron-R 35mm, 50mm, & 90mm. Not a final grade -- just wanted to get some images out.

I just purchased the 35mm and 50mm summicron. Looking to get the 90mm next. My serial numbers aren’t all in the same years - are yours all close in years and if not, have you noticed a shift in colors, etc?

Will this camera finally have focus peaking? Not everyone will use autofocus, especially those that adapt manual focus lenses. The last 1D cameras have not had focus peaking. 

45 minutes ago, Eric Calabros said:

Adding a feature no other camera under $2000 has is not a disaster by any means. Because they did it finally:

https://m.dpreview.com/news/3228623333/nikon-announces-z6-z7-raw-video-output-upgrade-new-firmware-adds-cfexpress-support

Both the the delay and $200 fee is direct result of Apple-RED fight over that stupid patent, which didn't end up well for consumers. Bash Nikon for many mistakes they did that everything around was under their control. This one is not one of them.

That $200 fee isn’t because of Apple or Red. That $200 fee is because of bad oversight on hardware and not planning hardware design properly from the get go by Nikon. The need for a $695 Atomos Ninja V is because of Red’s patent and the same goes for the S1H. But the S1H does not need hardware modification, because they planned properly. Regardless, neither of these things are a fault of Apple. Apple was actually fighting for us in a way - believe it or not - since they were disputing the patent, claiming you shouldn’t be able to patent shooting internal RAW. 
 

So in conclusion, this is 100 percent on them. It’s the Ninja V portion that isn’t on them or Panasonic. 

2 hours ago, heart0less said:

I own both. 

There is no better or worse, everything is very subjective and mostly depends on what you are looking for. 

I prefer Schneider Cinelux, since I love the way it flares. My copy has purplish / amber coatings and it really shows in the image.

ISCO's flares are subdued and almost invisible, so if you want a modern look without any optical abberations - it's a good choice. 

Both are equally sharp and contrasty.

Cinelux is a little bit heavier and bigger. 

You’ve settled it - cinelux is it is, def want more flares. Thank you, you made that easy for me!