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2 hours ago, DBounce said:

I just had a play with the PB footage... wow. I feel it must be said.  As a C200 owner, and owner of many Canon products, this Sony looks fantastic. Dare I say it? I believe this Sony looks more cinematic than the footage I saw from the Canon C500 Mk2. I believe this camera just might be epic. 

Threw on a simple Film Convert and everything came together. The motion cadence is spot on. And the colors... did I say colors and Sony in the same sentence? Whatever, they look glorious. I'm simply blown away. 

I suddenly find myself rethinking my plans to pickup the C500 Mk2. Now if they can get that same color science into an A9 or A7 series body,  that would make the perfect B-cam.

It seems Sony is really not playing games with this one. 

Yeah, they really nailed the look. It looks insanely good. Not only do I hope they bring the color science to other cameras - but I hope they also bring the motion cadence. Whatever the hell they have going on in that camera, they need do more of it across more of their cameras.

32 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

lookslike tilta got their hands on the chinese guys that did it

https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/09/17/tilta-screen-modification-for-the-bmpcc-6k-4k/

 

Yup, same kit he was selling. Doesn’t void warranty according to tilta and is fully reversible as well. Seems so easy I’m surprised blackmagic didn’t do this for the newer 6k version. Now I just wish there was an elegant battery solution. I have yet to see any battery solution that looks good, it’s either a random npf hanging on top of the cage, a huge clunky battery mounted to the bottom of the camera, or a big v-mount battery. 

If this new color science trickles down to the cheaper cameras it will be amazing. The problem with the FX9 to me is its size makes it almost only suitable for shoulder work. 

8bit raw and no flat or log profile from cinema5d article 

51 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

AF and colors look really good. The Sony fanboy in me can't help but drool. 

I get folks being disappointed by the some of the specs for the cost - but that autofocus is insane and the colors are finally great. Now...if we can get that color profile and that video autofocus in an A7s, if would be a dream come true for many of us

I’ve tried a bunch, Tiffen was the worst and SLR magic was the best. I actually did a pretty thorough test with videos and photos and the SLR Magic had the least color cast amongst all stops. 

19 hours ago, Cliff Totten said:

Excellent news!  I was contacted by a Panasonic operations manager about this S1 and S1H blue channel clipping problem! He wanted me to be very aware that Panasonic has seen my video and they are very interested in this issue! I wont post my emails here but I will take one quote for you guys to see:  

"Rest assured that this issue has a lot of attention right now"....[from Panasonic] engineers.

During this time, be very carefull about shooting in VLog. Outdoors should be fine. Indoors and night shooting are very prone to deep blue channel saturation, even on blue light that is not very strong. HLG will be the much safer bet for the moment.

Lets cross our fingers that Panny will figure this out with a firmware fix. 

Thanks for communicating to them - you should point them to this thread and any other threads out there as well if possible. I think them fixing this before the S1H launch will really help their PR team out, since the folks that will get their hands on the S1H will be very vocal about this and at $4k - this type of issue should not happen. 

On 8/28/2019 at 1:02 PM, blkmagic4k said:

Thanks for the write up! I have been thinking of getting the older Black Magic camera. My only problem is purchasing a used camera and something going wrong it later on but might not be a bad investment.

They are very cheap now - so if something does happen, at least it’s not too much money. 

29 minutes ago, mercer said:

Well, right before I saw the announcement, I was listening to a Film Riot interview with David Sandberg (Lights Out) and he mentioned that while on break filming the feature version of Lights Out, he snuck off with a couple actors and his Pocket cam to shoot some B-Unit stuff for the flashback sequences. And once in the editing suite, the editor couldn’t tell the difference between the Alexa footage and the Pocket footage and only the Pocket footage ended up in the final cut.

Real stories like that, of affordable equipment used to their utmost abilities is what excites me... a FF GH5 with fans and vents for $4000... ehh... not so much.

But it may have external HDMI ProRes Raw as soon as Atomos figures out how to do it... sounds promising.

When do we find out more about the FP?

It all comes down to the footage and like you said, Blackmagic nailed it many years ago and I have yet to see anyone match it at this price point. Today, all anybody is talking about are the specs of the camera. But there are very little discussions, minus the ones like this, where people actually talk about the look and feel of the footage. It's a spec war and at the end of the day people argue specs and don't seem to care about the footage. Another reason why I love this little camera so much, because it doesn't matter about specs - it will always output something special that these other cameras don't have in this price point. 

With that said - I will say the the S1H footage that I saw today looked really good and its the footage below that actually does excite me for the camera and not the specs:

23 minutes ago, theSUBVERSIVE said:

Regarding the A7SIII, there are a few things that I think it's highly unlikely that Sony will put on an Alpha camera and top the S1H. It feels like at least a couple of times Sony stepped back and went back to the drawing board for the A7SIII because of Panasonic - it should have been out there already.

I'm pretty sure Sony is still debating if they should or should not put 10-bit 422. Can it record unlimited time? Will it overheat? Can Sony's IBIS match what Panasonic offers? Will it have a fully articulated screen? Can it output a full-size HDMI? Will it record RAW? Maybe Sony will finally use a 10-bit codec but I don't think they will offer unlimited time and better IBIS, a fully articulated screen? I'm not sure either.

I don't think the A7SIII and the S1H will be aiming at the same market, Sony will probably excel the S1H in a few areas like AF, probably full-sensor readout speed and less rolling shutter, maybe a better high-ISO, slow motion and some other sensor-related-tech. The A7SIII will probably be a better A7SII with all the advancements Sony can put in this camera, but I highly doubt it will pack the same kind of feats Panasonic is doing with the S1H.

There was a rumor about Panasonic working with time-of-flight distance AF, which is clearly Panasonic's major weakness compared to all other cameras when it comes to video. Sure, not everybody needs AF and a lot of people still prefers MF but it wouldn't hurt Panasonic if they could provide a comparable AF, at least one that it's there if you need. If Panasonic really implements a better AF, more L-mount lenses, it will be much harder for Sony to keep up with Panasonic if they don't step up in some other areas.

So I don't think that Sony can compete with the S1H in its pros, same way the S1H won't appeal to the same type of crowd the A7SIII, even though the S1 is pretty well balanced all-arounder hybrid camera, until Panasonic figure AF out, a chunk of this market will still be Sony's.

The full V-log implementation it's a very welcomed addition, I really like Varicam's color.

I think what it comes down to is actually even more simple than that - which camera will have the better image? At this point in the race, Sony is close to dead last, if not dead last when it comes to how the footage actually looks - so it's hard to actually say how much improvement we will see with the new A7S. Their colors aren't great and the footage lacks the cinema look that I am seeing from these S1H videos today. Obviously these video today were shot with super expensive lenses and by professionals, but they still look very impressive with great dynamic range, great motion cadence, and great color - with a subtle softness and good highlight roll off. To me that gives a very pleasing cinematic look that I do not have confidence in Sony to nail.

I am curious, who makes the sensor in the S1H? Is it Sony or Panasonic?

2 minutes ago, andjo said:

It's way out of my league pricewise but I think anyone buying it will be pleased ?

Slow motion shooting isn't limited to full auto now, right?

Would also be interesting to see how the 4k60p has improved with the low pass filter over the S1?

Specs are great and all but footage is what gets me excited. You can throw out 10-12-14 bit, etc.,  but if the footage has a sterile look, who cares? So color me impressed that this seems to nail specs AND the footage - the footage I am seeing so far looks looks fantastic. It has a very cinematic quality to it. This could be the camera I am looking for. I use adapted lenses regardless of body, so it would be a body only purchase for me - which makes it less daunting. 

Andrew - do you have an estimate on battery life? 

5 hours ago, IronFilm said:

HUH??? They changed the sensor between the UM 4.6K and the UMP?? I thought they had the "same" sensor?

Read the post right above the one you just wrote. There is no way for me to edit posts after a certain period, so I have to make new ones. 

After doing some research it seems all ursa mini might actually use Fairchild sensors. The new ursa g2 to my eyes has a different look, but it’s rumored to be an updated Fairchild sensor. 

With that said, it’s still the earlier blackmagics that do it for me. 

5 hours ago, JordanWright said:

I think all the 4.6K cameras have different iterations of the same Fairchild sensor.

Its a shame the OG 4.6K hasn't had the BRAW update. The prices on them are getting very low, I've seen them go for as low as £2100 here in the UK

Unfortunately, the 4.6k (non pro) also lacks an SD card, so braw would have been cfast only. 

1 hour ago, thephoenix said:

only the 4.6k or the 4k has it too ?

the ursa mini is only 300€ more expensive than the pocket 6k at the moment

I think somebody needs to keep me honest, but it's possible that the Ursa mini 4K, 4.6k, and 4.6k pro gen 1 all have Fairchild sensors. I honestly forgot all about the URSA Mini 4k, but I am assuming that is Fairchild as well. I did not think that the 4.6k Pro Gen 1 had a Fairchild sensor, but I could be wrong and it seems it might. 

10 minutes ago, Lambo said:

I thought the G1 Pro also had a fairchild sensor.

I could be misinformed. Would love to know if that's the case. 

Also for anyone reading this that has slightly deeper pockets and is ok with a larger camera and still wants the same "magic" in the footage - I forgot to mention that the URSA Mini 4.6k (not the pro!) also uses a Fairchild sensor and the footage is simply gorgeous. Just throwing out options for folks who prefer the Fairchild look. I have not used that specific camera, just have seen the footage - so I am not aware of its quirks. 

2 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

Sound like it will open a can of worms I don’t want to open. But I’m going to open it anyway. 

I don’t want to rig it up all that much as it’ll be a hobby cam - so that’s why I’m not all that into the micro. Also, I can’t find one of those anywhere near this price. 

Understood. Nothing wrong with that. If that’s the case you should totally go for it. 

8 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

I didn’t want to start a new topic, but I never owned the BMPCC as when they had the mega discount, a colleague gave me bad advise about it. I’ve regretted not buying one since and I was a quick adopter of the BMPCC4k. I of course love it, but am still very curious about its original form factor. So much so, nelly picked up a mega cheap eosm for magic lantern and that’s great, but requires a fair amount of time to get the files edit ready. Especially after being on vacation for a while and back with tones of footage. Not to mention the dodgy live view and cropping situation when you shoot anything over 1080p

anyway, my curiosity for the original pocket is still whispering in my ear and I recently found one with 10 batteries, VF and Saramonic audio interface and a few other goodies for €250 in my hometown. I’m pretty sure I’ll grab it, but wanted to get some extra advise - is that a good price? Will is satisfy my curiosity? Or will it open a can of worms that I don’t want to open?

It's a cheap price for sure, but just note that I highly recommend the micro over the pocket, because the micro has much better battery life. Those 10 batteries you are getting will last you about 3 hours total (15-20 min each) on the original pocket. So if you want an all day shoot, you will need 10-20 more. Yes, the battery is that bad. Where as with the micro, you can use NPF and go about 4 hours on 1 battery and you can rig it much easier. Obviously that price you are getting offered is dirt cheap, so I don't think you can go wrong. But that 250 can go a long way toward a micro these days, as micros are also going for pretty cheap. 

On 8/20/2019 at 10:08 AM, BenEricson said:

If anyone is curious, I just finished up a piece shot about 50 percent with the pocket. This was graded by a colorist. 

The other half is Super 8 and there's maybe 4/5 shots with the GH5.

This might not make sense if you don't live in Seattle but maybe relatable. Anyway. Shot with the OG bmpcc.

"An experiental piece about a population coming to terms with a rapidly changing city."

 

Looks good, nice work!

5 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Maybe Z Cam will use it?

(or maaaaaaaaaaaybe Kinefinity or DJI)

https://www.slashcam.com/news/single/New-MFT-sensor-MST4323-from-Fairchild---possibly-f-14907.html

 

shijan, can you put your bmmcc modules on hold and buy some of those fairchild sensors and make a cinema camera for us real quick?

4 hours ago, shijan said:

And also don't forget about all those custom made accessories for BMMCC/BMMSC by RADIOPROEKTOR available here https://lavky.com/radioproektor/

Whoa, these are amazing. I wonder how long that battery lasts? Also - any idea where I can get that red record button that sits next to the wood grip? I don’t see it on their site. 

26 minutes ago, Patrick B. said:

@mercer @crevice I'm getting a little over 3 hours of power with the large NPF batteries running through the SmallHD Focus, One Little Remote v4, and the Micro with a Metabones Super16 Speedbooster attached.  Not sure what actual record time will be like, but that's pretty impressive.

Damn, that's sweet! Glad to hear you got your micro. Enjoy!

1 hour ago, mercer said:

Native ISO is 800 on the Pocket and Micro and it has been highly recommended to only shoot at that ISO.

Yup. This is definitely an ISO 800 camera. As I mentioned in the main post - I only shoot raw 3:1 at iso 800 - I never change a single setting in camera, except to reformat a card.