Simon Young

https://www.l-rumors.com/atomos-ninja-v-offers-4k-10-bit-422-hdr-recording-with-the-panasonic-lumix-s1/

Haha I also have that weird smell from my second copy. Wonder if it’s serious....

@Geoff_L Sounds like the Z6 will be a perfect match for you. I forgot to write this but when it comes to stills quality between the two, there’s no contest.

So I just got my second X-T3 after having sold my first to get a Z6, but then got struck by remorse and rebought the Fuji. 

After getting used to the Z6 and being able to compair them side by side some things are worth taking into consideration if you’re looking to buy one of these cameras (sensor size notwithstanding).

1. The build quality of the Nikon is second to none. The X-T3 feels flimsy and wonky next to it, and my copy has a slightly misaligned lcd. The previous one had a slightly misaligned grip cover. Feels cheap and not very confidence inspiring. And the lcd on my current copy is almost impossible to clean from fingerprints whereas the Nikon lcd wipes off super easily. Very strange. But I don’t think this is due to the assembly in China, the Japan made Fuji cameras I have owned have never felt well built with various bugs to complement them.

2. Easy of use. The Nikon switches very smoothly between stills and video with separate settings stored in each mode respectively etc. The Fuji is a mess.

3. Heat management. When shooting 4K 400mbps all-i (h264 or h265), the Fuji gets very hot very quickly. Has anyone tried to record a longer interview or concert with the X-T3, internally? I imagine it will overheat around the 45min mark.

The Nikon never gets more than slightly warm.

4. Autofocus. This is where the Fuji shows it’s a more mature mirrorless system with a smaller sensor: with the newer lenses it’s faster, more accurate and more reliable than the Nikon, both in video and stills. In low light it’s autofocus obliterates the Z6 in all modes.

5. Auto white balance. The Nikon is amazing and never manages to get it really wrong, even in difficult mixed lighting. The Fuji is fine in daylight. But I absolutely love the fact that you can lock the auto white balance on the Fuji, such a handy feature in a pinch.

6. Video quality. The X-T3 is by far a more capable video camera with outstanding codecs with less artefacts. The rolling shutter performance is noticeably better and the Eterna profile with DR400 looks stunning out of the camera with a beautiful highlight roll off compared to the Nikon. The colors of the Nikon is very appealing though, it feels less instagramish than the x-t3.

7. Sexiness. Despite all its shortcomings and frustrations the Fuji is more fun to use, I feel. As Andrew noted, the Z6 and Z7 are very utilitarian and a tad too big for my liking. Very subjective matter this, ofc.

Final thoughts:

If I were to rely on a camera as a working tool, day in and day out I would keep the Z6, but as I’m not making a living off of the camera I might sell it. But I was almost shocked when I got the X-T3 again, it literally feels like it’s gonna fall apart in my hands compared to the Nikon (and I imagine the Canon EOS R).

@thephoenix are you trolling?

On a wide lens (24mm) it’s barely noticable and very usable I think, besting the a7III.

9 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

That jumpy, sharp focus crap on every non dpaf camera is why i'll stick to canon, until other companies get smooth video AF

Noted, brilliant input.

Get this, ordered the official Nikon lcd protector for the z-series of cameras from Japan. Touch functionality is excellent BUT it’s matte and it muddies the details of the screen like crazy, almost unusable. So don’t go through the troubles of getting it. Another complaint no one has brought up from what I can see: Z6 splits the video files into 4gb chunks. Still. Ridiculous. They should fix this with firmware immediately, just like Fuji will with the x-t3.

I thought the point of this forum was to share ideas and tips and tricks and knowledge, not litter the threads with posts about what we think this or that particular device is lacking and how we would buy stuff if they only had this or that feature :)))))))) :PpppppPPPppPp

like, we all know the new canon has a big ass crop in 4K and only one card slot, just like the Nikon, and we all know there’s no full frame consumer camera that does 4K 60p internally, fucking move on ;););););) 

20 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

I've seen and enjoyed it actually. Pity they've forgotten to add 4K/60p. I had bought 1 camera unit at least : -)

Go and buy the X-T3 or the GH5/s.

1 hour ago, DBounce said:

Looking at this test from about 1.50 into the video, I noticed that when focused on his face the background looks more blurred on the Nikon than it does on the Sony. Also the Nikon seems a bit more contrasty and clearer.

I see little between them in overall AF performance.

As of yet I have not shot a single frame of video with the Z6. I have taken several pictures, and love this camera. Is it as fast to focus as the 1DXMK2?... No, but it is certainly fast enough to get the job done. It’s also easy to get great pictures with this camera. It doesn’t fight you. The low light image quality is fantastic. Far better than the Fuji X-T3 and perhaps better than the Canon.

I’ll have to run some video test. Any ideas on best video setting for the Z6?

I agree with you. I’ve done some quick testing with 4K video, turning sharpening all the way down, as well as the NR, leaving midtown sharpening at zero and increasing saturation a wee bit on the flat profile. Looks really good and very easy to grade. And the IBIS is phenomenal, certainly better than my previous A7rIII. Rolling shutter in 4K also seems well controlled, not great but definitely usable.

1 hour ago, DBounce said:

My Z6 came in yesterday after much delay.  I plan on shooting connected to our Ninja V. I suspect this will give it a decided edge over the GH5/S.

Rolling shutter is not a issue in our use case. I think the ergonomics will grow on you. The GH5/S is a great video camera,  but I suspect the Nikon will be the more balanced hybrid. 

That said,  we just got this camera,  so our opinions may change. 

I agree with you, it’s a more balanced hybrid than the GH5 imo, hence why I bought it. But the gh-series have been video oriented since forever and it’s obvious that Nikon has some catching up to do with regards to tweakable settings, codec etc. Still a lot better in the autofocus department though

Something i really love with the X-T3 is the possibility to lock auto white balance. Why aren’t more camera companies implementing this? It’s perfect for docu work.

I just got my Z6 and so far in terms of output I think it has the Sony beat (at least the ones I’ve owned and used, a7rIII and a7III). The video autofocus seems to be on par with the Sonys.

Colors out of camera are nicer, the IBIS better, the flat profile with sharpness dialled down looks more organic with a decent dynamic range considering it’s not a true log profile.

The Z6 however still has nothing on the GH5-series when it comes to rolling shutter, overall useability and codec.

8 minutes ago, Alex Uzan said:

Rolling shutter is pretty bad, and no IBIS make handeld shots not useable.

Thanks for the video ?

You are not usable or useful. The X-T3 looks surprisingly good in incandescent lighting and the auto white balance is a lot better than other cameras I’ve tested. IBIS is extremly overrated, mostly hyped by vloggers and amateurs.

I have it set so that it toggles on and off.

@Brian Williams You know that there is a white balance lock setting on the x-t3? It’s genius. Let the camera set the white balance of a certain scene, which it does pretty well in most cases, then push the button you assigned to lock white balance.  This is something I wish more cameras would implement.

1 minute ago, jonpais said:

@deezid can’t you tell when you’re being trolled? 

“camera x produces dog shit colors. in fact, every test online shows it has dog shit colors, all their cameras have puke color, but I just had to find out for myself, so I bought it anyway. and you know what? the colors are crap, just like I thought! I’d let it go, but I paid for it with a gift card from me mum, so it has sentimental value. anyhoo, I never tire of telling everyone how shiite the colors are, it gives me a certain thrill. I sold camera y bcz blah blah. I got an insane deal here on camera z (over 50% off retail bcz everyone but me hates it) which produces 100X better colors than the one I just let go of (maybe you even know it - didn’t you just finish making a film with it?) even though their color science is indistinguishable but my eyesight is better than anyone else’s bcz I drink fresh yogurt every day. perhaps you just need to learn how to operate the buttons.” ? 

 

@jonpais Can't you tell when a lot of people on here have had enough of your condescending bullshit and know-it-all attitude with nothing to show for?

21 minutes ago, deezid said:

Used an ND filter on the A73 and pushed the aperture down on the X-T3 to F13.
Both running at ISO6400 on a well lit stand at the Photokina.
The X-T3 shows less noise (more like fine grain) and no noise reduction artifacts.

I’m sorry but does all this whining about “waxiness” come from when you went to Photokina, put an sd card in an attached X-t3, filmed inside the convention, took the card home and subsequently went online to share your findings with us? Hahahhahahahahahah. 

8 minutes ago, deezid said:

After further looking into the footage. I had a clip with Astia at 0/0 for highlights and shadows with still waxy skin, but F-Log recorded scenes look way better and thanks to the new codec show no banding at all.

ISO6400 is extremely clean as well - only if both iterations of noise reduction are off or down completely. With noise reduction enabled noise becomes bigger with a huge loss of detail very much like the GH4 did. 

What? I don’t find waxiness to be an issue but I would never use this camera past iso3200, iso6400 is not “extremely clean”. Wtf are you talking about?

I just watched this video. The grade is debatable but there are plenty of skin tones in there that don't show the least bit of waxiness.

Eterna, ungraded:

He also compares the skin tones with the 1DXII and the A7III. The Canon looks the waxiest and the Sony looks the worst.

8 hours ago, androidlad said:

 

8 hours ago, androidlad said:

Fuji Kaizen update news:

1. X-H1 to receive firmware update to offer dual IS (IBIS + lens OIS), which adds 1.5-2 stops of additional stablisation.

2. X-T3 (and very likely X-H1/X-T2) to receive firmware update to enable file size larger than 4GB when using SD cards formatted as exFAT (64GB+).

 

Please give us a believable source. You’re not Luke Mason in disguise are you? Back with a vengeance, dropping “knowledge” here citing no one except yourself or, in this case, some obscure Weibo account.

It’s a dream of a camera, I just got mine. The lack of ibis is not bothering me at all, because the rolling shutter is so well controlled. If you can’t get a good image out of this camera then your really fucked.

Safe to say that the X-T3, like so many other cameras these days, is very capable of shooting narrative stuff.

The Z6 low light video Dreaming has been removed from Vimeo. Interesting... maybe Nikon were disappointed with the dead pixels ?

4 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

The intro in this video with the slow motion shots on the arm displays exactly what I’m talking about. The skin is completely void of texture. There’s no life in it. And it’s not a question of detail or resolution, just look at her flannel shirt.