Simon Young

2 hours ago, D Verco said:

unless you're doing selfies, the Z8 has a better screen mechanism. Also it won't overheat. 

Agreed on the screeen, but as a former owner of the Z8 which is all in all a lovely camera I found it to have two flaws that made me sell it: Moiré and overheating, especially when exposed to a little bit of sunlight.

9 hours ago, John Matthews said:

The S1H with an OLPF and Netflix approval also had moiré in some cases. It's more a function of distance to the repetitive pattern and readout mode. Basically, some are better than others in certain situations, but none are perfect.

I know why moiré and aliasing occurs and of course there are differences but as someone who has had important shots ruined by it and a as someone with a heavy addiction I’ve owned and tested more cameras than what is considered to be sane.

And I can tell you this: a good olpf clearly makes a whole lot of difference both with regards to moiré suppression and the texture of details in the image. Canon R5(c) and the Sony A9iii has stood out to me when it comes to this. The whole A9-series have very good OLPFs and the latest iteration is no exception. Canon usually does well in the cinema department too and the perfect downscaled 8K to 4K and an OLPF is very effective on the R5-series.
 

There is a reason the Sony Venice and the Alexas have dedicated teams who only work on producing the most effective OLPF possible.

No OLPF, tons of moiré and slower readout than the much cheaper Z6iii (with excellent n-raw). Thanks but no thanks.

And not a single Word on an OLPF in the white papers. Probably saving that for the S1Hii coming in a decade.

20 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

If you have access to the white papers then share them here.

Nevermind:

https://m.weibo.cn/status/Prx4YF8NX?jumpfrom=weibocom#&gid=1&pid=8

4 minutes ago, ND64 said:

If its Z6iii's sensor, why they use these weird crop modes?

 

If you have access to the white papers then share them here.

10 minutes ago, ND64 said:

So here is the deal:

 

15-stop dynamic range V-LOG (dynamic range enhancement mode on)

14+ stops dynamic range V-LOG (dynamic range enhancement mode off)

24M new sensor

Full frame 6K30p OG, 5.9K60p 17:9, 5.1K60p 3:2, 4.8K60p 4:3, 4K120p 16:9/17:9, FHD240p

APS-C 3.3K 120p 4:3, 4K120p 16:9/17:9, FHD240p

S&Q 6K 60fps, 4K 17:9 75fps, 4K 2.4:1 120fps, FHD 240fpsFF

120Hz 5.76 million dot EVF

779-point phase focus

Dual native ISO100/800

Five-axis image stabilization with 8 stops in the center and 7 stops in the periphery

1/8000s mechanical shutter

70fps continuous shooting with electronic shutter, 10fps mechanical shutter

That is all well and good but if they don’t offer a better OLPF than the z6iii and still have the gall to charge 1000 euros more then they can burn. And we still don’t know the readout speeds in open gate or with their dynamic range enhancement enabled.

I’m getting more and more convinced that the C80 is the one for me, ticks all the boxes, ugly behemoth of a body with a consumer hating RF-mount nothwitstanding. 6k, decent OLPF, internal raw and a proven 9,5ms readout in all oversampled modes.

5 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Well most of us were just waiting on 50fps 4k full frame. I hope everything else improved as well. 

Like a better monitor, better colors etc. Prores raw internal is a bummer as resolve does not support it natively. 

Yes but that's is what the S1ii is supposed to deliver, the 50fps 4k. But it's a piece if shit if it suffers from the same moiré that plagues the Z6iii and the s5ii anyway. And supposedly for 3500 euros 🤣

Specifications on the S1iiE leaked:

https://latam.connect.panasonic.com/mx/es/productos/lumix/lumix-s1iie

Not very exciting apart from the Arri logC information. Between the lines this seems to carry a tweaked IMX410 once again. 

I mean if they use some sort of z6iii sensor with the same sort of read out speed but put a great OLPF in front of it plus Arri logC I’m kind of interested.

The latest rumor is they are releasing TWO cameras: S1ii and S1iix - the latter I presume more video oriented. I really hope they use the Z6iii sensor (as speculated) and that the S1iix is a more compact form factor, with no EVF, bigger fan, no IBIS and a thick OLPF.

What makes the Komodo special is the look of global shutter and 16bit raw, but more than this a terrific OLPF. I'm not in the market and agree it's not as convenient as mirrorless setups, so here's hoping that Nikon puts a strong and well engineered OLPF in their upcoming cameras focused on video. I owned both the Z8 and the Z6III, terrific cameras, usable in most situations but plagued by moiré.

I’d rather wait for the Nikon/RED version

https://nikonrumors.com/2025/03/13/new-nikon-z-video-oriented-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-later-this-year-similar-to-the-sony-fx3.aspx/

Funnily enough the S1Rii makes the OG Canon R5 look like a bargain. The R5 used prices here in Sweden is about half the price of a new S1rii and after all the firmware updates the R5 (initial overheating notwithstanding) is reliable  in all recording modes under 30p. And has a far faster sensor even though it's not stacked.

As a photo camera I only imagine it's vastly more refined than the Lumix. 

4 hours ago, Ninpo33 said:

Why the hell would you put an OLPF in a photography focused stills camera?

Ask Canon why they put an OLPF in their photography focused R5.

Maybe great for stills but underwhelming for video. Disgraceful RS numbers and no OLPF.

28 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

It’s basically a full frame rebirth of the original Leica T isn’t it ?

More like a carbon copy of the Zeiss ZX1 minus the fixed lens. That camera was a smash hit.

To each their own. But talking about rolling shutter as being only a problem when shooting handheld at 200mm open gate is frankly ridiculous. RS impacts handheld motion at every focal length and whenever there is moderately fast movement in a scene. The Alexass are all sub 8m which is what is passable to my eyes. Once you go global shutter it’s hard to go back is all I can say. Your eyes don’t scan reality from top to bottom, left to right, do they? 😂😂😂

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

“I'd say that, for me, dynamic range is (often) more important than low rolling shutter.  Correct skin tones is also important.  Beyond that, composition, lighting, and any number of factors go into a beautiful image.”

Wow, this sounds extremely generic. Are you a bot? What do you mean correct skin tones? And have you ever shot positive film? Really huge dynamic range 😂

Regurgitating basic statements you’ve seen in the pseudointellectual “serious film making space” on YouTube like:“COmPoSitioN and liGhtiNg” is IMPORTANT, is absolutely void of any meaning in this discussion since I was talking about image quality from a technical point of view with regards to a particular camera, not an artistic and subjective one.

The three single most important things to a beautiful image is low rolling shutter, minimal artefacts such as moiré and a nice highlight roll off. The S5(II)(x) perform abysmally when it comes to both low RS and moiré. The moiré on those cameras make them borderline unusable. I truly hope this new Lumix will perform better but I’m not holding my breath.

Otherwise a big fan of Lumix when it comes to colors, DR, reliability (beautiful active cooling solution on the s5ii(x) and overall video features. Shame they only put a low pass filter in their varicam line and S1h.

As a serious addict I’ve owned the R5 and the R5C several times and sold them several times. I do miss the R5C though, amazing camera, for me the lack of ibis is a positive and one touch white balance (which is surprisingly accurate, whereas a whole lot of digging through menus and taking a photo the archaic way with the R5 is frankly retarded) and the false colors are amazing and usable tools.

Other pros versus the R5 are of course the codecs and the constant downsampling, no matter if you’re shooting 4k or 1080p, s35 or full frame. My favourite mode was the s35 6k raw with manageable file sizes and very little rolling shutter, around 10ms. 
 

And whatever people say, the R5C has clearly more dynamic range than the R5, and it has colors more in line with the other cinema cameras. Oh, and the wide dr color profile is excellent for fast turnarounds.

8 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

If all you need is 4k24p raw, the bitrate is only 340mbs

Is the 4K raw downsampled from 6K, thus not really raw? 

5 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

The very low rolling shutter distortion is a major plus point for me - I do a lot of railway video, and not having noticeably skewed verticals on trains is really nice...

I'll upload a few 10-bit SOOC files later.

In the meantime, this was shot with my OM-1 - captured handheld, sensor-shift IBIS, in FHD 50p, 8-bit 'Natural' profile, auto-WB, using the Oly 12-200mm lens. Edited in Vegas Pro and rendered to 4k 50p for YT upload. (Aimed at railway enthusiasts like me, so not the most exciting video content 😉).

 

Olympus colors never disappoint! Would be really cool to see some 4k 10bit footage in 25p as well.

8 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

I own the E-M1 iii and OM-1.

C4K (DCI 4k) on the E-M1 iii is the best quality video mode, 8-bit 237Mbs H.264, but it's 24.00p only. The UHD 4k modes are softer and lower bitrate (and are 25p and 29.97p only, no 24.00p). AFAIK the video quality on the E-M1X is the same. Video sensor-shift IBIS on E-M1 iii is excellent and is adjustable in strength ( -1/0/+1). The +1 setting is almost tripod-like if you hold the camera still, but can be panned slowly without noticeable jerkiness at wide to normal focal lengths. Adding digital IS improves stability quite a lot but adds an extra crop and degrades picture quality a little.

OM-1 has better video quality all-round - FHD/UHD/C4K 10-bit H.265 4:2:0 in OMLog400 or HLG at 23.98/25/29.97/50/59.94p (plus 24.00p in C4K only). IMHO the video IBIS is pretty much the same/a bit better than on the E-M1 iii. Also has very low rolling shutter (< 10ms) due to fast stacked sensor and a lovely 5.76Mp EVF.

Note that you can't adjust the sharpening in the Flat, Log or HLG picture profiles, and on the OM-1 you can't use the standard (photo) profiles in 10-bit mode, only in 8-bit mode.

I can't compare the OM-1 to the GH6 or GH7, but compared to my (original) Pana G9 it's swings and roundabouts - G9 supports 10-bit 4:2:2 video, but OM-1 has better EVF, IBIS, ergonomics and battery life (and better audio from built-in mics). For my uses, that makes the OM-1 a better all-round video camera.

(The best stabilisation I've ever used is the OM-1 with the 12-100mm F4 pro lens - that combo uses Sync-IS, combining lens OIS with IBIS).

One thing I think is overlooked is how insanely fast the sensor of the OM-1 is. Codecs, color science, bit rates and everything else aside, to me the OM-1 always seemed like the closest thing to a digital bolex available today. It's a real shame so few good examples of the video performance is posted online, would love to see some more to judge motion cadence etc. I've also heard the OM-1 is very hard to get to overheat when recording video, which is always a plus.

It's up again 🙂