Simon Young

25 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Exactly how would I go about getting the wax skin thing? I've shot Fuji for a couple of years and never encountered it. Never even heard of it outside Dave Dougdales A7s video. Do I need to mess up the exposure or something?

Would be useful to know when it happens so one can plan for it.

I have seen it many times with the x-t2 I used to own, but it only happens with JPEGs of course, and at higher ISOs. Same goes for video. It’s just a sort of smearing of the skin tones, making it look rather texture less.

But it’s of course something we are more or less sensitive about. 

I think it’s important to see if the new noise reduction algorithm creates the same kind of waxiness in skin tones like the X-T2 did above ISO 800 in video. If that’s the case it’s a huge deal, no matter how pleasant the colors are.

2 hours ago, tomsemiterrific said:

Shot some clips with the X-T3 today using Eterna and a couple of stabilized zooms from Fuji. Not as much fun as shooting with Rokinon 1.4 lenses or FDs--and if you shoot internal 10 bit 265 you better bring a LOT of batteries.

 

Lovely looking footage @tomsemiterrific 

When setting noise reduction to -4 with the Eterna simulation, would you say it is completely off or is the camera still doing some noise reduction?

It might sound desperate but I’m praying Nikon doesn’t fuck up with the Z6, crippling it’s continuous autofocus somehow just because it’s the cheaper model. If it’s on par with the Z7, I’ll buy it on release day

Loving he motion cadence as well!

More autofocus tests with the Z7 and some adapted lenses. Looks promising!

27 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Color reproduction ranking. 

This should ruffle some feathers. ?

Why?

1 hour ago, Jimmy said:

Wow, you are really passionate about rolling shutter! ?

Haha, no but I’m passionate about not having people here spreading misinformation about a lot of stuff that might be important to others. “Luke Mason” has been very prominent doing so wrt everything related to the XT-3. Almost getting the Ebrahim-vibe.

8 minutes ago, Luke Mason said:

Fuji never said 17ms, that came from nowhere, the official press release claims rolling shutter has been halved from X-T2/H1.

Also simple math, 60fps is approx 16ms per frame, so rolling shutter cannot exceed that.

Fuji said exactly that you daft prick. This is from their site. Time for you to stop trolling about the X-T3, don’t you think?

6 minutes ago, deezid said:

Would be great, but actually wouldn't bother with the processing I've seen in the X-T3 clips so far that much.
The sharpening in the Z6 clip is causing the terrible artifacts we see in the new clip - which has some really nice compositions btw.
If it can be turned off, the camera would be great for video work, especially with something like the Ninja V attached.

Yes, the Ninja V seems extremely promising as well. Will get both the X-T3 and the Z6 and later decide which one that better suits my needs. I have a feeling the IBIS of the Z6 might be what settles it in the end...

I just hope there's a way to really turn off the NR in both the Z6 and the X-T3, please let this be the case.

A Memento of life looks horrible, but thank God it's a very rough grade, the skin looks almost Sony-green, which is not a compliment. The trailer to your feature looks fine though.

2 minutes ago, deezid said:

Was the noise sharpened though?

Keep trolling. Still no evidence of NR or sharpening being turned off with Eterna or F-log. Still no jaw droppingly clean GH5 footage at ISO 5000 from you.

1 minute ago, deezid said:

Let me guess, you didn't download any of the raw/prores footage provided by Blackmagic or others to date?
ISO5000 looked extremely clean in these tests with lots of detail - AND no signs of any sharpening nor noise reduction, which are basically the definition of a digital looking image or what the Nikon Z6/Z7 and Zcam 2 do.

The Fuji X-T2 did a lot of filtering to skintones.
The H1 and X-T3 don't. At least in their F-Log and even Eterna modes (when both sharpening and nr are turned off).

 

Can someone, you or the hack Luke Mason, please back up those claims about the NR being turned off with Eterna or F-log? I haven't seen anything about, neither in the white papers or in the footage. Looks both sharpened and noise reduced to me.

And yes, I did download the prores footage by Blackmagic and graded it in Resolve and you know what, it was FUCKING NOISY. Which was expected of course, just as when you shoot he Nikon at 8.000 with n-log.

11 minutes ago, deezid said:

Nikon Fanboy?
What Nikon did here is as unimpressive in terms of footage as my phone or Zcam 2.
Digital looking af.

If you want to do some serious (non-digital looking) film work, Fuji and Blackmagic have way better options coming soon.

Just stop. The Fuji will have a problem with waxy skin at ISO above 800 (not very film like) and the Blackmagic looks lackluster to me, extremely digital looking as you call it, from what I’ve seen. And that tiny sensor won’t make anyone happy shooting above 400 ISO.

I did own the GH5 and would never ever use it above ISO 800. So please show me some of your ISO 5000 footage that looks so spectacular.

It’s so weird that you judge the z6 pre pre pre production footage at 8.000 iso shot with the highly untested n-log profile so harshly. To my eyes it looks a world better than anything I’ve seen from a smaller sensor camera at those sensitivities. Most impressive is the fact that it seems to hold up extremely well with regards to dynamic range and color information even at 8.000.

Sure it’s got some noise, but do we even know if the footage was properly exposed according to the n-log gamma curve? Please take a fucking chill pill. I even doubt the BMPCC 4K will match the dynamic range in the day shots.

7 minutes ago, jonpais said:

A I didn’t see what ISO this was shot at, that would interest me. 

The night shots are at 8000 ISO as stated in the video.

But the kicker is that the day shots were with Nikon flat profile @Geoff CB!

Martin writes: 

“Simon, the night shots are in N-log with Atomos Ninja Inferno. The day shots are in flat profile, captured internally.

Rolling shutter I haven’t noticed in these shots, but there surely will be substantial in faster panning - after all it’s a rolling shutter sensor.”

8 hours ago, Luke Mason said:

X-T2 does not offer a setting to turn off noise reduction in video (default at 0, greyed out), X-H1 and X-T3 allow you to turn it off completely using "-4",

What’s up with all your uninformed guessing you’re passing off as knowledge here? The X-T2 does allow a -4 setting on noise reduction in photo mode and this by no means turns it off completely. Only the luma nr is affected, as previously reported. The aggressive chroma NR is still present when set to -4, resulting in that waxiness due to color bleeding when shooting at high iso. Why would the chroma noise reduction turn off in video but not stills mode? We all know this is a problem with the X-trans and jpeg and we all know the x-t2, x-h1 and x-t3 don’t shoot raw in video. 

But hopefully this problem is a lot less severe with the new codec and bitrate, as Andrew suggests, even though the problem is inherent with the sensor array in combination with noise reduction, not 8 bit vs. 10 bit.

1 hour ago, Eric Calabros said:

I'm sure you guys can grade better, but I loved the footage

https://vimeo.com/290295765

 

That’s fucking crazy and might have stopped me from buying the x-t3

1 hour ago, avrofilmvideo said:

Whatever you are smoking , stop it. 

Please fuck off from this forum.

51 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

With the Canon he would look like an alien LOL. Anything about autofocus, I also saw somewhere where you could either join the two setting photo/video or separate them. But his gripe is typical photo shooter centric, because any hybrid shooter would know that you would have to have an ND filter (or close aperture) and shoot at 1/50 -1/60 for video. You can't expect to have quality video if you just switch your 1/200-2000 photo shutter speed setting and shoot video.

What do you mean with any of the above? He says in the video that he’s normally using nd filters, hence his shutter speed stays at 1/50th but when he want to shoot videos he then has to remove the nd an increase the shutter speed. He would like two separate settings in camer that you could switch between. Maybe there are ways around it, he just hasn’t figured it out.

He also states that he is very much a hybrid shooter - video is prioritized to him when it comes to mirror less cameras. He says that he does find the Nikon a lot more useful to his preferred specs than the x-t3, which lacks ibis.

This german speaking dude has done the most extensive testing of the Z7 so far. He put the camera to work during two weeks. The talking head part in this video is shot with the S-lens, 35mm at f2.0. Focus sticks to his face like glue. It’s shot without an ND filter, hence the wonky motion cadence, in auto white balance and standard color (not flat).

He says he prefers the Canon and Fuji skin tones but that the Nikon is probably more accurate but that this footage might look strange because he’s very sunburnt after climbing mountains in Switzerland.

He’s praising the view finder and the lcd-screen, very responsive it seems, but he’s not too keen on the size of the house (too small) the size of the glass (too big albeit very sharp) and he’s very disappointed that there are no separate video settings - it’s cumbersome to constantly change exposure settings manually between video and stills. 

Other than that he overall thinks it’s a very fun camera to use, but in the end suggests those who are not invested in the Nikon system to wait for next generation.

Very impressive subject tracking with the Z7 methinks. Works beautifully. And the rolling shutter also seems well controlled. I’m getting more and more anxious to see what the Z6 will bring in terms of video.

Sooooo judging from the 50 or so clips I’ve managed find showcasing the Nikon Z7 in video all I can see is a great image with brilliant autofocus, especially the face detection. And if you expose it correctly it almost looks like Kodachrome in motion.

Nikon USA has also confirmed the 4K internal bitrate to 144mbps, not 100 as previously reported.

25 minutes ago, jonpais said:

You guys need to get your heads out of your asses - there's no banding whatsoever in Johnnie Behiri's YouTube footage. I'm watching it on a 55" OLED and while I'm seeing lots of camera shake and some veiling flare, there's absolutely none of the shiite you're whining about. And I'm not a Fuji fanboy BTW. 

Didn’t see any banding in that one either, and I’m not even buying the camera. Fucking bunch of whiny spec freaks in this thread. Like charbax who is extremely disappointed that the x-t3 doesn’t have EVERYTHING HE NEEDS.

39 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

Don't worry, i'll pass on carrying 17 batteries a day ?

If you need 17 batteries a day you’re clearly doing something wrong.

37 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

Do people go around commenting on other things they wont buy, like a particular dishwasher that doesn't tick all their boxes? Or is it just a camera thing?

Snowbro is clearly a dudes dude who likes to point out flaws in a 1500 dollar CONSUMER TOY. I really don’t understand all this camera bashing (except for the Eos R where it’s merited).