New L-Mount Lumix (cinema?) Camera

[MrSMW]

On 5/15/2025 at 2:03 PM, Thpriest said:

I think that all the S line has produced very nice images and colours. I say that as someone who has noticed that the S5ii is not quite at the level of the original S1 and S5 but it’s still great

I'm not really seeing any difference between any of them; S5, S1H, S5ii.

Yes there are some very subtle differences such as that from the S1H is a teeny weeny bit softer due to the OLPF, but otherwise, nothing for me.

There's some chatter about over-sharpening. I don't see it.

There's some chatter about moire. I'm not seeing that either.

Highlight roll off and blah di blah, - what are we shooting here with these things? Are we really comparing the results from our humble mirrorless cameras with Hollywood lighting, productions, lenses and budgets? I'm not, - to be even remotely in the ball park is hilariously ridiculous.

Here's a screen grab from my S9 which is my principal run & gun unit, from last weekends wedding I am currently editing.

A pretty dark hole of a room for bride prep and unless anywhere near that window, then screwed. It's SOOC and not touched it in any way; exposure, WB...nuffink. 6k 30p shot at 1/50th, 4000 iso, 5000 WB, Freewell ND 2-5, exposure otherwise eyeballed on the rear LCD with the wave form I rarely look at.

[eatstoomuchjam]

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

A pretty dark hole of a room for bride prep and unless anywhere near that window, then screwed. It's SOOC and not touched it in any way; exposure, WB...nuffink. 6k 30p shot at 1/50th, 4000 iso, 5000 WB, Freewell ND 2-5, exposure otherwise eyeballed on the rear LCD with the wave form I rarely look at.

Not cinematic enough.  I fixed it for you.  Now that's cinematic.

[MrSMW]

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Not cinematic enough.  I fixed it for you.  Now that's cinematic.

I’ll send you all 300 clips and see what you can do. Yeehaw!

[Thpriest]

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

I'm not really seeing any difference between any of them; S5, S1H, S5ii.

Lovely shot.

I think they are all great, I've had the S1, S5 and S5ii. But I can't deny that the first generation just had something nicer about it, for want of a better word. Saying that, the S5ii has a great image and the handling is much improved.

[Parker]

@MrSMWYeah I agree, I pre-ordered the S1 right as it came out, did the same thing with the S5iiX, have shot them together on pretty much every job since, across a huge variety of use cases, never seen any kind of real, noticeable difference between them, at all. Ditto with the original S5, which I have also had with those other two cams on many dozens if not hundreds of shoots over the past several years.

I think people just always find something to complain about. Especially when it comes to super arbitrary, impossible-to-prove image-quality mumbo jumbo, i.e. "motion cadence," "video look," "micro-contrast" or "3D-Pop," etc. 

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

On 5/16/2025 at 11:51 AM, Al Dolega said:

And for the GH6/G9ii/GH7 sensor too, I believe.

Still a mystery who makes this 25mp m4/3 sensor. Back in the day there are sites that opened the cameras and microscope the sensor to find the manufacturer, but these days are gone.

To add to the mystery: the newest Mavic from DJI uses a m4/3 100mp sensor. Maybe Panasonic uses the same sensor in a Quad-Bayer configuration? (100/4 = 25mp)

[Andrew Reid]

I think it's OnSemi.

They are ARRI's partner on the new ALEXA sensor.

TowerJazz had / have a joint venture with Panasonic, but OnSemi make the more up-to-date sensor tech and there are quite a few parallels between the ALEXA sensor readout tech and latest Panasonic cameras.

In 2022 Panasonic exited the semiconductors business and sold all the assets. The organic sensor project is official dead, but it allowed them to partner with more than just Sony for sensors.