SRV1981 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Non-Pro question: what are the reasons to not get a JVC, Sony, Canon etc camcorder and instead mirrorless if you’re only shooting video? They price around the same and are dedicated for video, yet this forum and YouTube is full of fx3 or c70 comparisons. im sure there may be a simple answer but I’m naive to it and open to learning. And if throes camcorders would be excellent for dedicated video, which ones are worth checking out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I like smaller sensor cameras for the super-zoom capability they typically offer. Also camcorders with built-in ND filers are nice. SRV1981 and Rivhop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 It's the sensor size and the ability to change lenses. They also don't tend to retain their value, whereas lenses do and can be used on multiple bodies. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPNS Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 if i were to do documentary type work, i would rather use a camcorder than any mirrorless thing. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, PPNS said: if i were to do documentary type work, i would rather use a camcorder than any mirrorless thing. Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, PPNS said: if i were to do documentary type work, i would rather use a camcorder than any mirrorless thing. Depends on the doc. I use hybrid cams and removable lenses for my docs. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Nothing will ever beat the ergonomics of a camcorder when it comes to video. If there was a competitively priced M43 or APS-C camcorder I'd use them in a heartbeat over mirrorless cameras. Panasonic tried with the DVX200, but I couldn't justify spending over twice as much for the same specs as a GH5. If you're looking for a camcorder I suggest going with one that has a 1" sensor. There aren't a ton of budget friendly options though. Most companies have kinda given up on camcorders. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Why camcorders aren't discussed? Simple - pure prejudice. For all the claims of people being shills for one company or other, online forums are almost universally brainwashed to prefer whatever the manufacturers have been cramming down our throats most recently. I suggest doing an objective comparison between the various options - mirrorless and camcorders - across the same criteria. Even writing a simple list of criteria is beyond the level of analysis that most are capable of doing prior to four or even five-figure purchases. Taking a critical look at how important those criteria are and doing real world experiments to verify them would make you rarer still. Linking them to the goal of making a creative end-product would make you practically a unicorn. Beware though, the more critically you evaluate things, the less you will 'fit' online. mercer and SRV1981 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPNS Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 9 hours ago, SRV1981 said: Which one? Whatever is available at the rental house that has: - a decent zoom range - iris ring - can be easily operated in manual mode - records in a 10 bit 422 codec Something like an fs7 with a good zoom, which isnt quite a camcorder, is something i would like as well for that context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, PPNS said: Something like an fs7 with a good zoom, which isnt quite a camcorder, is something i would like as well for that context. Why not Alexa 35 with one of those Angenieux EZ zooms? That's also not quite a camcorder. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPNS Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, kye said: Why not Alexa 35 with one of those Angenieux EZ zooms? That's also not quite a camcorder. Well because a fs7 + the f4 18-105 is still closer in weight to regular camcorders and mirrorless cameras than the alexa 35 with an angenieux 🙂 PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 ..not to mention current affordability of the FS7 vs other options. Pro rigged out video/cine cams can be expensive. But FS7 is closer to a cine cam with an ENG form factor than a "camcorder" which implies a more compact form factor with built-in EVF, zoom and mic. Options kinda dried up but if sensor size, lens specs etc don't matter, surely there are many viable budget options left especially on used market. DVX200 is definitely the last pro model of that category I was genuinely interested in but yeah it was pretty expensive at launch and still goes for 2 to 3 grand. I still kinda want one and wish Panny would make a sequel although extremely doubtful at this point. SRV1981, aaa123jc and PannySVHS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Would still love to test out the XC10/15 in its 8bit 422 50mbit HD mode. Or a Panasonic HPX 250 with its three sensor imager and 200mbit 10bit. Both cameras offer HD to its resolution maximum. Both are workhorse cameras. The HPX 250 would be my subsitute for the obscurity of a nerds dream that the DVX100 Andromeda would be. 🙂 Another nerd desire would be to fiddle with a full grown camcorder, the vintage Sony AX2000, slim codec, SD cards, true camcorder form factor and 3 sensor colours. You asked, we answered @SRV1981 🙂 hyalinejim and SRV1981 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, PannySVHS said: XC10 Ghosting! I had one and posted at length here about my frustration with its temporal ghosting, particularly noticeable in C-Log. Other than that it was pretty cool. I loved the flippy handle and tilt screen. I took it on hols to Bali: aaa123jc, SRV1981, newfoundmass and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kieley Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 The JVC LS-300 has a classic camcorder body with an MFT mount and S35 sensor although I think it's only 8bit internal. I was looking at camcorders recently and also came across a JVC camera with a small chip and built-in zoom lens that can record 10bit prores internally, but I can't remember which model it was. The sample footage I saw had some pretty ghastly CA. The beloved Sony F3 has the old school camcorder style body. It's kind of a shame that the camcorder form factor went out of fashion for cinema cameras. I still think the DVX100 is the most pleasurable camera I've ever used. It had the perfect size, weight, and shape. SRV1981 and PannySVHS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Though 8bit the JVC provides 150 Mbit for its 8bit 420 4K mode. In HD it puts out 50Mbit 422. DVX 100, I used to have a little obsession with the Andromeda hack a few years ago. 🙂 @Matt Kieley Love the video and colours! @hyalinejim Too bad about the temporal noise reduction. I read the XC15 has it too unfortunately. Otherwise great concept and camera. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Only you Marty? LOL : ) Where is Juan these days, by the way? 3 hours ago, PannySVHS said: I used to have a little obsession with the Andromeda hack a few years ago. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 To those kids who have no idea of the power of Andromeda: https://vimeo.com/groups/andromeda :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Emanuel said: To those kids who have no idea of the power of Andromeda Wow! I really like that image! The highlights clip a little early but the colour, softness and noise is lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92F Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 Is the Canon XF 605 not the best quality / size / price compromise of the moment ...? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbCajW5cmk But the image quality will remain more digital than a C70 for example... which is not a problem in many reports... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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