SRV1981

He’s the only man who doesn’t hate the sound of his own voice 😉

I tend to agree. I associate green/brown with Sony and you’re saying that more magenta (canon?) images can be had in Sony? Simple correction in camera white balance? Or only in post? Maybe a 1/4 black mist? 1/8 may be better? Makes it look less sharp maybe - I fear existential crisis but like c70 colors lol.

what about this image ? Fan or no?

To what degree is Alexa’s image desired due to its color rendition versus its unbelievable dynamic range? When I see LUTs that attempt to emulate Arri, I like the balance of highlight and shadows but I don’t care for skintones. Again, more green than my brain is biased to.

That’s a better way of saying it. Do you remove it internally or in post production? I think you don’t get it or feel the original query is beneath your masterclass expertise - no need to comment. Ever.

I’ll have to find the examples I’ve seen where even with the same LUT, say Phantom - the cameras produce different images. You could probably edit in post to get them nearly identical unless you a/b but the question, for me is what can take the least time. I’m realizing Canon and Lumix are my answers for this discussion. Will check this too! Thanks 1000% this. If I could get this image in a smaller body I’d do it in a heartbeat. Above my pay grade but I’d say some creators still keep some of that green in and I dislike it compared to movies or shows that accentuate pinks and magentas. Just my preference for watching cinema and producing

Do you think you prefer the red/magenta bias of images ? I ask because canon and Panasonic seem to have that

C70 is a dream image for me! I’ll check GFX. I never investigated those

Many cameras have baked in LUTs. I’d scoop a Nikon in z6 size with z8 sensor! I’m not buying anything lol I think this is the best critique of my post. It’s wild how heated anonymous strangers can get lol. so let’s say scenario wise: 1. you’re vacationing with your significant other and want to get as close to “film” look with minimal effort. What camera are you taking? a. Budget $4k for a body 2. you have a mini doc for run and gun - turn around time is short. What camera brings you closest to the image you like without much grading? a. Budget $4k for body b. Budget $10k for body 3. you have time and want to shoot a big doc or narrative - time isn’t an issue, what camera do you take - a budget - $5k b budget - $10k again thanks for asking an awesome clarifying question! 🙋‍♂️

In these images there seems to be the possibility of getting nearly identical color, though I'm not versed in grading - but it seems that these 4 different comparisons show SOOC images to be different enough for many to have a preference. Again, that was the original question: what camera do you choose when you don't want to grade much and get close to your preferred look with minimal effort. Some of the banter here has pushed me, personally, to the notion that I prefer the look of Canon images given the same lighting situation over Sony but the compact Sony bodies, lens options, etc. make them a better buy for the SOOC-esque scenario. May have to wait to see what Canon announces in May. Wrapping up - just heard someone say the C70 looks great even with not the best lighting but the R5 does not. I also prefer the look of Red cameras from what i've seen than much of the Arri (skin tones in particular).

this shows a nice contrast to a popular camera - fx3. I agree the bmpcc4k does look more pleasing, overall. My eye is drawn toward that side of the screen.

That’s solid! What’s your thoughts on the original BMPCC ?

You do realize technology matters? You do realize different camera produce differences in image that are pleasing to some and not others? Do you realize the original thread is about what camera you prefer to get the closest to your goal image with minimal work? Are you aware 99% of responses didn’t address that? Should I wear makeup?

I invite you to check the older thread I bumped of discussions that don’t seem to full agree with your stance by folks more knowledgeable than myself. But to assume the camera doesn’t matter as I see in your long appeals, then why not shoot all movies on iPhones with Apple ProRes log?

I also love some movies and shows despite not liking their skintones or color FYI

Clearly great points. But I think it’s still missing the mark, given that the user in my scenario wants a quick turn around in many lighting conditions outside of our control what sensors currently produce an image you love with minimal effort. the gx85 image is lovely but also the kids skin looks deathly anemic. Another sensor and processor would.l render that scene differently. That’s the conversation

eva1 looks way better here to my eye. Any thought why that is? Can that look be had in a mirrorless smaller body camera ?

iPhone 14 Pro and Ricoh GRIIIx. Not much currently would motivate me into a system. The c70 and mage would be perfect but the body is way too large for what I’d want. But it’s interesting to see that different companies focus on different aspects of image - the c70 looks closer to the desirable images of top cinema cameras to my eyes. Something many have said who work in the industry is that the Sony mirrorless has great tech but look “clinical.” Although I’ve seen some folks create lovely images with them - but the work to get there is much more than on cinema cameras etc. a few colorists on Reddit’s sub noted that canon was a bit easier to work with but Sony came to them looking pretty ugly and took more time - digital was the word they used.

Yes good points. this in a small body would be amazing:

picked c70 every time they had the person shown. I guess I like those tones. Does anyone agree?

I remember this ! it was posted here years ago! I remember trying ML and was blown away how good it looked but how hard it was to use. I think the fx3/r5c can give those looks now.

The first few scenes on the train felt like a movie. Loved it! In another thread I bumped from 2015 where folks discussed cameras and color, as is my goal, some commented that as brands have moved to mirrorless they’re chasing resolution and in doing so neglecting color and overall image. Something to the effect that chasing greens versus other colors, has had a negative impact on the way color is rendered and that’s 9 years ago. Worth a review that thread. I originally curious about modern cameras that produce that movie look in the first video without lighting makeup etc. the skin tones and overall look felt less digital and more movie like. That’s what I was getting at with what brands are trying to achieve that ? What models most of us can purchase today gets us to that.

Will have to check it out!

Very interesting dialogue, glad i found this!

Instead, people respond to posts that weren't written and proselytize and talk down. It's pretty pathetic.