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Uhhh I know! Maybe this summer when I have more time! The advent of internal LUTs I think will help me on that journey. Seeing what folks have done with Dehancer has been motivating as well.

Ive seen him make fx3 and c70 look like Arri

Your Luc Forsyth video is a perfect complement to this!

Agreed, great share. Now this video is just a single training session and not a narrative but only shot on the a6700 and 18-105 f4. Looks aesthetically pretty good.

this guy is amazing. Love his process and personality. He also shot a full feature film.

great rant. Loved every second of this.

Haha I’d imagine some folks who own Sonys also love canon skintones. I’ll do some digging on the interwebs if nobody here has don’t it.

Yea and to clarify they’re referring to 10-bit cameras mostly. They do have preferences of canon Sony etc.

Agree! Been watching hours of footage and notice a personal bias toward canon images - and it seems to be the way they render color and skin regardless of user - it’s over hours of footage. That’s us! Yes I get this, after feeling a little dejected from the original question and response I checked the subreddit “colorists” and there’s tons of threads and comments noting that they prefer to receive images from some cameras and brands over others. it seems to come down to difficulty - if you have the same face, scene, lighting etc and 5 different cameras or brands - these colorists had noted that to get the desirable look was much easier than others and frustrating and painstaking on others. Which is why I felt it difficult to accept notions of makeup or learn color grading. The tools themselves can aid in that journey. I’ve learned through this that the way canon renders color, specifically skin, is my favorite look. That doesn’t mean I’ll go run out to grab an r5 or r8 - the feature set is far inferior to an a7s3 or a7iv, I think. I was curious what more knowledgeable folks preferred as their starting point tool. Do you use a gx85 for your travel and fs7 for work? Or is it an r5 for travel and fx6 for work, etc? That’s all I was hoping to discuss here and then follow with - “why did you choose that tool”. sometimes we bring our own gripes and biases to a question and don’t answer the quesirtin. that said, now my next question is can you achieve the same appeal of color on mid-level Sony bodies as you can on the canons that produce color I love. And if so, how easy is it to do? Great video - saw this years back I believe. That said. I loved the 1/8 look for general purpose filming but anything more was very stylized for my taste.

He’s the only man who doesn’t hate the sound of his own voice 😉

I tend to agree. I associate green/brown with Sony and you’re saying that more magenta (canon?) images can be had in Sony? Simple correction in camera white balance? Or only in post? Maybe a 1/4 black mist? 1/8 may be better? Makes it look less sharp maybe - I fear existential crisis but like c70 colors lol.

what about this image ? Fan or no?

To what degree is Alexa’s image desired due to its color rendition versus its unbelievable dynamic range? When I see LUTs that attempt to emulate Arri, I like the balance of highlight and shadows but I don’t care for skintones. Again, more green than my brain is biased to.

That’s a better way of saying it. Do you remove it internally or in post production? I think you don’t get it or feel the original query is beneath your masterclass expertise - no need to comment. Ever.

I’ll have to find the examples I’ve seen where even with the same LUT, say Phantom - the cameras produce different images. You could probably edit in post to get them nearly identical unless you a/b but the question, for me is what can take the least time. I’m realizing Canon and Lumix are my answers for this discussion. Will check this too! Thanks 1000% this. If I could get this image in a smaller body I’d do it in a heartbeat. Above my pay grade but I’d say some creators still keep some of that green in and I dislike it compared to movies or shows that accentuate pinks and magentas. Just my preference for watching cinema and producing

Do you think you prefer the red/magenta bias of images ? I ask because canon and Panasonic seem to have that

C70 is a dream image for me! I’ll check GFX. I never investigated those

Many cameras have baked in LUTs. I’d scoop a Nikon in z6 size with z8 sensor! I’m not buying anything lol I think this is the best critique of my post. It’s wild how heated anonymous strangers can get lol. so let’s say scenario wise: 1. you’re vacationing with your significant other and want to get as close to “film” look with minimal effort. What camera are you taking? a. Budget $4k for a body 2. you have a mini doc for run and gun - turn around time is short. What camera brings you closest to the image you like without much grading? a. Budget $4k for body b. Budget $10k for body 3. you have time and want to shoot a big doc or narrative - time isn’t an issue, what camera do you take - a budget - $5k b budget - $10k again thanks for asking an awesome clarifying question! 🙋‍♂️

In these images there seems to be the possibility of getting nearly identical color, though I'm not versed in grading - but it seems that these 4 different comparisons show SOOC images to be different enough for many to have a preference. Again, that was the original question: what camera do you choose when you don't want to grade much and get close to your preferred look with minimal effort. Some of the banter here has pushed me, personally, to the notion that I prefer the look of Canon images given the same lighting situation over Sony but the compact Sony bodies, lens options, etc. make them a better buy for the SOOC-esque scenario. May have to wait to see what Canon announces in May. Wrapping up - just heard someone say the C70 looks great even with not the best lighting but the R5 does not. I also prefer the look of Red cameras from what i've seen than much of the Arri (skin tones in particular).

this shows a nice contrast to a popular camera - fx3. I agree the bmpcc4k does look more pleasing, overall. My eye is drawn toward that side of the screen.

That’s solid! What’s your thoughts on the original BMPCC ?

You do realize technology matters? You do realize different camera produce differences in image that are pleasing to some and not others? Do you realize the original thread is about what camera you prefer to get the closest to your goal image with minimal work? Are you aware 99% of responses didn’t address that? Should I wear makeup?

I invite you to check the older thread I bumped of discussions that don’t seem to full agree with your stance by folks more knowledgeable than myself. But to assume the camera doesn’t matter as I see in your long appeals, then why not shoot all movies on iPhones with Apple ProRes log?

I also love some movies and shows despite not liking their skintones or color FYI

Clearly great points. But I think it’s still missing the mark, given that the user in my scenario wants a quick turn around in many lighting conditions outside of our control what sensors currently produce an image you love with minimal effort. the gx85 image is lovely but also the kids skin looks deathly anemic. Another sensor and processor would.l render that scene differently. That’s the conversation