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Nikon Z6 features 4K N-LOG, 10bit HDMI output and 120fps 1080p

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1 minute ago, deezid said:

Nikon Fanboy?
What Nikon did here is as unimpressive in terms of footage as my phone or Zcam 2.
Digital looking af.

If you want to do some serious (non-digital looking) film work, Fuji and Blackmagic have way better options coming soon.

Stop with the name calling please. Most viewing is done on smartphone screens and that will be the case for the foreseeable future. 

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It’s so weird that you judge the z6 pre pre pre production footage at 8.000 iso shot with the highly untested n-log profile so harshly. To my eyes it looks a world better than anything I’ve seen from a smaller sensor camera at those sensitivities. Most impressive is the fact that it seems to hold up extremely well with regards to dynamic range and color information even at 8.000.

Sure it’s got some noise, but do we even know if the footage was properly exposed according to the n-log gamma curve? Please take a fucking chill pill. I even doubt the BMPCC 4K will match the dynamic range in the day shots.

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Just now, Castorp said:

Stop with the name calling please. Most viewing is done on smartphone screens and that will be the case for the foreseeable future. 

Sounds like an excuse why the Nikon Z6/Z7 might as well look as smartphone footage with better dynamic range and lowlight (well a bit). 
Btw. my GH5 looks better at ISO5000 than the Z6 in these examples at ISO8000 with its tiny Mft sensor...

2 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

It’s so weird that you judge the z6 pre pre pre production footage at 8.000 iso shot with the highly untested n-log profile so harshly.

Because it looks so harsh?

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11 minutes ago, deezid said:

Nikon Fanboy?
What Nikon did here is as unimpressive in terms of footage as my phone or Zcam 2.
Digital looking af.

If you want to do some serious (non-digital looking) film work, Fuji and Blackmagic have way better options coming soon.

Just stop. The Fuji will have a problem with waxy skin at ISO above 800 (not very film like) and the Blackmagic looks lackluster to me, extremely digital looking as you call it, from what I’ve seen. And that tiny sensor won’t make anyone happy shooting above 400 ISO.

I did own the GH5 and would never ever use it above ISO 800. So please show me some of your ISO 5000 footage that looks so spectacular.

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2 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

Just stop. The Fuji will have a problem with waxy skin tones at ISO above 800 (not very film like) and the Blackmagic looks lackluster to me, extremely digital looking as you call it, from what I’ve seen. And that tiny sensor won’t make anyone happy shooting above 400 ISO.

Let me guess, you didn't download any of the raw/prores footage provided by Blackmagic or others to date?
ISO5000 looked extremely clean in these tests with lots of detail - AND no signs of any sharpening nor noise reduction, which are basically the definition of a digital looking image or what the Nikon Z6/Z7 and Zcam 2 do.

The Fuji X-T2 did a lot of filtering to skintones.
The H1 and X-T3 don't. At least in their F-Log and even Eterna modes (when both sharpening and nr are turned off).

 

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1 minute ago, deezid said:

Let me guess, you didn't download any of the raw/prores footage provided by Blackmagic or others to date?
ISO5000 looked extremely clean in these tests with lots of detail - AND no signs of any sharpening nor noise reduction, which are basically the definition of a digital looking image or what the Nikon Z6/Z7 and Zcam 2 do.

The Fuji X-T2 did a lot of filtering to skintones.
The H1 and X-T3 don't. At least in their F-Log and even Eterna modes (when both sharpening and nr are turned off).

 

Can someone, you or the hack Luke Mason, please back up those claims about the NR being turned off with Eterna or F-log? I haven't seen anything about, neither in the white papers or in the footage. Looks both sharpened and noise reduced to me.

And yes, I did download the prores footage by Blackmagic and graded it in Resolve and you know what, it was FUCKING NOISY. Which was expected of course, just as when you shoot he Nikon at 8.000 with n-log.

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1 minute ago, Simon Young said:

Can someone, you or the hack Luke Mason, please back up those claims about the NR being turned off with Eterna or F-log? I haven't seen anything about, neither in the white papers or in the footage. Looks both sharpened and noise reduced to me.

And yes, I did download the prores footage by Blackmagic and graded it in Resolve and you know what, it was FUCKING NOISY. Which was expected of course, just as when you shoot he Nikon at 8.000 with n-log.

Was the noise sharpened though?

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5 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

Keep trolling. Still no evidence of NR or sharpening being turned off with Eterna or F-log. Still no jaw droppingly clean GH5 footage at ISO 5000 from you.

A feature film I just finished. Many shots in the trailer up to ISO6400. Everything shot on the GH5 (two shots on the DJi Phantom 4 Pro and one shot on the GoPro 6)

Still wouldn't want to continue shooting on the GH5, since the Blackmagic Pocket 4k and Fuji X-T3 look way better while the new Nikons look a few steps back.


This was shot on the X-T3 with the standard sharpening setting which actually looks great.

So if you do sharpening, do it right. 😄

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12 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

A Memento of life looks horrible, but thank God it's a very rough grade, the skin looks almost Sony-green, which is not a compliment. The trailer to your feature looks fine though.

It looks horrible due to the grade. 
F-Log is basically Rec2020 with similar color coordinates and it looks like no conversion to Rec709 has taken place which results in kinda Sony like skintones - I agree.
But the potential is there definitely. Definition and texture look great even with standard settings as it seems.

The GH5 isn't great and maybe not much better in terms of overprocessing in comparison to the Z6/Z7.
The footage actually needs lots of processing to hide the internal processing which is as it sounds, ridiculous.

The footage from the BM P4K wouldn't need any of that, just put a diffusion filter on the lens and you should be good.
The grain in the ISO5000 sample I saw, looked really pleasing, wouldn't even denoise that.

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12 minutes ago, deezid said:

A feature film I just finished. Many shots in the trailer up to ISO6400. Everything shot on the GH5 (two shots on the DJi Phantom 4 Pro and one shot on the GoPro 6)

Still wouldn't want to continue shooting on the GH5, since the Blackmagic Pocket 4k and Fuji X-T3 look way better while the new Nikons look a few steps back.


This was shot on the X-T3 with the standard sharpening setting which actually looks great.

So if you do sharpening, do it right. 😄

The film you worked on looks cool! 

Thats a very different kind of grade though. In the footage from the Z6 I see detail in the shadows. There is basically no light and yet I see detail everywhere, and most importantly, the image looks really good. 

 In your trailer the shadows are clipped to black. 

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2 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

I just hope there's a way to really turn off the NR in both the Z6 and the X-T3, please let this be the case.

Would be great, but actually wouldn't bother with the processing I've seen in the X-T3 clips so far that much.
The sharpening in the Z6 clip is causing the terrible artifacts we see in the new clip - which has some really nice compositions btw.
If it can be turned off, the camera would be great for video work, especially with something like the Ninja V attached.

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6 minutes ago, deezid said:

Would be great, but actually wouldn't bother with the processing I've seen in the X-T3 clips so far that much.
The sharpening in the Z6 clip is causing the terrible artifacts we see in the new clip - which has some really nice compositions btw.
If it can be turned off, the camera would be great for video work, especially with something like the Ninja V attached.

Yes, the Ninja V seems extremely promising as well. Will get both the X-T3 and the Z6 and later decide which one that better suits my needs. I have a feeling the IBIS of the Z6 might be what settles it in the end...

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1 minute ago, Simon Young said:

Yes, the Ninja V seems extremely promising as well. Will get both the X-T3 and the Z6 and later decide which one that better suits my needs. I have a feeling the IBIS of the Z6 might be what settles it in the end...

IBIS on the GH5 is amazing and it's a reason for me to wait for the X-H2 instead.

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48 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

The trailer to your feature looks fine though

It looks more than fine!
Often the challenge of a low budget feature film is keeping up the quality level from start to finish. (not just the snippets in the trailer)
If that has been done, then very good work indeed!

 

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