MrSMW

Same with the Canon R5 $3800 in the U.S and about $5500 in the UK
To compare Panasonic S1H is $4000 in the U.S. and about $4700 in the UK 
Sony and Canon marketing teams in Europe are taking the piss

I'm bewildered by someone playing devil's advocate for a camera that can overheat in photo mode. 
No, not every camera is made for me, but I'd still like to see that the camera, ya know, works as advertised. 

Have multiple bodies maintained/rotated by the new crew member: Thermal Management Technician.
3rd party needs to fashion something similar to the old film camera sound blimps, but more like an icepack for ankles.

I had a z6 before my actual Panasonic S1. I believe, with the latest firmware update, the af is miles ahead than what it used to be. @Jordan Drake rates video AF very highly, and I came across comparisons with the A7iii, and the z6 is not extremely far from it (at least for my needs, which exclude eyes af, and also compared to my S1). For the codec, same thing, it punches higher than its weight. In fact, I am right now browsing "old" footages I took with it, and play with them in resolve to compare with my S1 10bit. The nikon flat profile, as frequently reported, is very good. Sure, as you point out, it is weak compared to other offerings, but it quite good. To be honest, as I browse my old footages, I find more pleasing images than with my S1. I don't know, despite the very robust specs of the S1, and the image quality, there is something in the Z6 image that I find lacking in the S1 (a bit of "soul" maybe). So yes, if nikon could raise the next Z models to the level of offering of the competition (codec and better AF like you said), it could be a beast.
I forgot about the lenses, but the Z line-up is really good, and more interesting  for me than the RF and L. Plus, as I shoot with tele, the 300pf and 500pf have no competition...

Ps : the battery problem on the S1 drove me crazy, to the point I am gonna get rid of it (plus the overall bulk and the af, that I now need, and I did not back when I bought it), and i am contemplating going back to the Z6 of entering the Sony system.

The S1H is hardly a completely different camera and experience to the A7sIII and R5.  Its still another hybrid, with admittedly poorer AF than the competition; but still comparable.  We all have different needs and requirements.  Mine is long form recording, making the R5 less desirable to me as the S1H is less for you due to your own needs.  If you're a hybrid shooter that needs higher pixel count for photos than 12MP, you won't be looking at the A7sIII.  Comparing these cameras is only natural as features on one will be desired in the other.  
I agree the Netflix talk was totally irrelevant to this particular discussion.  
 

Not asked of me I know, but if it was not for the overheating controversy (and whether that would even be an issue for my own hybrid needs I don’t know at this time), it would be my first choice right now.
A pair of them matched to the RF 28-70 f2 and 85mm f2 and I’d be set and never need to change a lens or use a monopod as I do now.
That 28-70 is a beast...but it’s a featherweight compared to my current combo of; Sigma 18-35, Fringer Pro, Anker powerbank and monopod (with XT3). Replace all 4 of those items with the 28-70 f2 would be a dream.
And that is my consideration, - the sum of the whole kit and not just the camera body.
The Sony looks good as a pure video tool, but has 3 strikes against it for me; colour, IBIS, 12mp. Could I live with it? Maybe, but only if it was the best option out there and for me it isn’t.
My hope is they either sort the Canon or at the very least it turns out to be OK for my needs.
The XH2 will need to have zero compromises to beat a sorted version of this Canon. And I’m a Fuji fan.

Not asked of me I know, but if it was not for the overheating controversy (and whether that would even be an issue for my own hybrid needs I don’t know at this time), it would be my first choice right now.
A pair of them matched to the RF 28-70 f2 and 85mm f2 and I’d be set and never need to change a lens or use a monopod as I do now.
That 28-70 is a beast...but it’s a featherweight compared to my current combo of; Sigma 18-35, Fringer Pro, Anker powerbank and monopod (with XT3). Replace all 4 of those items with the 28-70 f2 would be a dream.
And that is my consideration, - the sum of the whole kit and not just the camera body.
The Sony looks good as a pure video tool, but has 3 strikes against it for me; colour, IBIS, 12mp. Could I live with it? Maybe, but only if it was the best option out there and for me it isn’t.
My hope is they either sort the Canon or at the very least it turns out to be OK for my needs.
The XH2 will need to have zero compromises to beat a sorted version of this Canon. And I’m a Fuji fan.

Not asked of me I know, but if it was not for the overheating controversy (and whether that would even be an issue for my own hybrid needs I don’t know at this time), it would be my first choice right now.
A pair of them matched to the RF 28-70 f2 and 85mm f2 and I’d be set and never need to change a lens or use a monopod as I do now.
That 28-70 is a beast...but it’s a featherweight compared to my current combo of; Sigma 18-35, Fringer Pro, Anker powerbank and monopod (with XT3). Replace all 4 of those items with the 28-70 f2 would be a dream.
And that is my consideration, - the sum of the whole kit and not just the camera body.
The Sony looks good as a pure video tool, but has 3 strikes against it for me; colour, IBIS, 12mp. Could I live with it? Maybe, but only if it was the best option out there and for me it isn’t.
My hope is they either sort the Canon or at the very least it turns out to be OK for my needs.
The XH2 will need to have zero compromises to beat a sorted version of this Canon. And I’m a Fuji fan.

These recent camera releases have resulted in a significant amount of velocity  and trolling right across the web. 
Every camera is good these days. Every single one. Nor is a single one of them “underwhelming”, why has the bar suddenly been raised so high? Because Canon put 8k in a mirrorless? 
The S1H, the A7SIII, the R5, the X-T4 all have a purpose to fit your needs. If you can’t shoot good footage with them, the issue isn’t the camera. If one of these does n’t fit your needs, buy something else. 
I get excited about cameras, but they are just cameras. They are worthless without artists, documentary filmmakers, journalists, Youtubers.... the audience mostly doesn’t give a f**k what it was shot on - as long as it looks good, sounds good and provides value in form of information or entertainment. 
That time arguing over cameras could be better spent on learning more about lighting, composition, sound or editing styles. 
Sure, I did pre-order the R5 and cancelled it. Instead I’ve swapped it for 2 A7SIII’s because they fulfil a creative need. And it’s not the end of the world if it’s all just hype - the EVA1 and GH5 still exist and allow me to create on every shoot. 
For the argumentative, trolls and naysayers, it’s time to get romantic about the craft again. Show us your work. Make more stuff. Have some fun. Create memories. And grow the hell up. 

People who think the image out of the A7SIII, a $3500 mirrorless camera, isn’t very good or the skin tones are off are nitpicking the shit out of it. I feel sorry for you people. You will never be happy.
Put everything in context. This is a fantastic release from Sony. They improved almost everything from the A7SII and kept the spirit of the A7S camera intact.

@thebrothersthre3 yup, a lot of people seem to be confusing ‘disappointment’ with this very strong word, ‘hate’...

They wanted bad press? Wouldn't a camera with no major issues and 8k be way better press? I can't see them doing this intentionally. 

@thebrothersthre3 yup, a lot of people seem to be confusing ‘disappointment’ with this very strong word, ‘hate’...

To be brand agnostic can be the right medicine... : ) Just sayin' ; ) Let's focus on topics and not throwing stones to whoever has a different opinion from ours, please? :- )
We won't nor need changing the planet or opinions of the rest of the world.
 

One thing is for sure, it’s a FUCKING SHITSHOW.
What do Canon do?
Are they actually even doing anything or is there more hype over this controversy on this particular forum bubble than there is in the rest of the inter-world?
I would respect Canon enormously if they put up their hand and said, “yup, we fucked up here. Stick with us and it may not be until 2021, but both the R5 and R6 are going to get some heat management updates”.
OK, the Sonyloverboys will be all over that as will a lot of others, but so what, sometimes you just have to hold your hand up, take the flak and come out the other side stronger because really it’s ‘just’ the heat issue here that is the only problem with these cameras otherwise you’d have at least one of them would’ve you?

One thing is for sure, it’s a FUCKING SHITSHOW.
What do Canon do?
Are they actually even doing anything or is there more hype over this controversy on this particular forum bubble than there is in the rest of the inter-world?
I would respect Canon enormously if they put up their hand and said, “yup, we fucked up here. Stick with us and it may not be until 2021, but both the R5 and R6 are going to get some heat management updates”.
OK, the Sonyloverboys will be all over that as will a lot of others, but so what, sometimes you just have to hold your hand up, take the flak and come out the other side stronger because really it’s ‘just’ the heat issue here that is the only problem with these cameras otherwise you’d have at least one of them would’ve you?

One thing is for sure, it’s a FUCKING SHITSHOW.
What do Canon do?
Are they actually even doing anything or is there more hype over this controversy on this particular forum bubble than there is in the rest of the inter-world?
I would respect Canon enormously if they put up their hand and said, “yup, we fucked up here. Stick with us and it may not be until 2021, but both the R5 and R6 are going to get some heat management updates”.
OK, the Sonyloverboys will be all over that as will a lot of others, but so what, sometimes you just have to hold your hand up, take the flak and come out the other side stronger because really it’s ‘just’ the heat issue here that is the only problem with these cameras otherwise you’d have at least one of them would’ve you?

Why does every comment of yours has a massive elephant in the room?
Nobody is criticising Canon for being conservative on the EOS R5 specs.
You have to deliver the specs AND reliability, so that customers don't get a defective product.
Not hard to understand is it?

When the talk has turned to drilling holes in a brand new state of the art camera, I suspect there may be a problem...

When the talk has turned to drilling holes in a brand new state of the art camera, I suspect there may be a problem...

When the talk has turned to drilling holes in a brand new state of the art camera, I suspect there may be a problem...

When the talk has turned to drilling holes in a brand new state of the art camera, I suspect there may be a problem...

When the talk has turned to drilling holes in a brand new state of the art camera, I suspect there may be a problem...

I suspect that in the entire history of cameras, there has never been as much hype, followed by pre-orders, followed by hysteria, followed by cancelled pre-orders...before a camera has actually gone on sale to the public as there has been with these two firebrands 😂

I suspect that in the entire history of cameras, there has never been as much hype, followed by pre-orders, followed by hysteria, followed by cancelled pre-orders...before a camera has actually gone on sale to the public as there has been with these two firebrands 😂