MrSMW

Yes, the ZR is the new benchmark in a number of ways and for me is probably the pick of the bunch of these new ‘cine’ style bodies including: S9, ZV-E1, R6V and now FP2.
I love the size and build of the FP and the new rear LCD, but that lack of IBIS, aaaaaaargh!
S9 has the best video spec for me (the ZR beats it sure with it’s Red Raw but for the massive amount of storage it gobbles) but the ZR counters with a very nice body and rear LCD….except I would rather it was fully articulated (first choice) or at least tilted like the FP (second choice) but really don’t like the flip out to the side.
I don’t care for that side mounted EVF though. Ugly as fuck and all the FP would need for me is a base plate and grip and I’d be off with it. But that’s if it had IBIS, which it doesn’t so back on the fence waiting to see what LUMIX do.
FP2 was/is one single element away from being perfect for me.
ZR is two elements.
ZV-E1 two elements (rear LCD and something else I forget).
S9 two elements (rear LCD and overall build).
Someone will hopefully get it right soon…

I want to love sigma but there's always a deal breaker. That huge evf on the side is a no-go for me. If they make a compact evf so that the thing can actually fit in a small travel bag, I'd get one. it has everything else I would want, on paper anyway.
Once you add the evf, the size isn't an advantage anymore, and total price is nearly identical to the S1ii, so unless you really need a few hundred grams shaved off, it's hard to pick sigma.

Sigma FP ii...
So far it's not even up on Sigmas website, so no idea about codecs, but it does look like it does a 10-bit LOG internally, so at least one of the "gaps" in the OG seems to have been addressed.
It's probably not the camera for me, but definitely respect to Sigma for trying something with the FP and continuing support for the concept.

Key specs via PP: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigma-fp2-everything-is-better-for-the-second-gen-modular-mirrorless-camera/
24MP partially stacked CMOS sensor
Up to 20fps stills
Video up to 6K open gate, including ProRes RAW output to SSD
Two USB-C sockets
Full-sized HDMI port
Tilt up/down 3.2″ 2.1M dot rear LCD
Optional 5.76M dot electronic viewfinder
Optional OM System/Panasonic compatible hotshoe
70GB internal memory
Larger, 16Wh battery, giving 370 shots/charge rating
460g (16.2oz) including battery and card
The Sigma fp2 will be available from November 11th at a price of $2199, body only, or $2749 with the new EVF-21 accessory or $2749 with the I-series 50mm F2 DG lens.

Well nothing was announced this week but it’s looking most likely like a Sigma FP2.
Meanwhile LUMIX is supposed to be revealing at least 2 new bodies in November to mark their 25th birthday or something…
Please let this not be some letdown like a security camera or some other crap but something ‘we’ might be interested in…
Too soon for a GH8 so maybe some small compact L10-like MILC?
Maybe the long overdue S1H2, or some ‘cine’ version of the S1ii?
 

I prefer dogs and land mines.

I also get where you are coming from and that is why I bake the LUT into my footage.
I set up all my cameras with 3 basic profiles based on ISO and WB for outdoor, indoor and low-lowlight scenarios.
I say LUT, but there are actually 2x LUTS stacked; the conversion LUT and then my own custom ‘Look LUT’ which can be dialled in anywhere between 10-100%.
It gets the look I want SOOC and it’s as unique to me as these things can be, is easy in the workflow and allows me to concentrate more on the interesting side of editing a film rather than the boring to me, more logistical grading.
Only really works if no one else has a say in the end result and I’m fortunate that I’m my work, the grade is 100% my call.

I also get where you are coming from and that is why I bake the LUT into my footage.
I set up all my cameras with 3 basic profiles based on ISO and WB for outdoor, indoor and low-lowlight scenarios.
I say LUT, but there are actually 2x LUTS stacked; the conversion LUT and then my own custom ‘Look LUT’ which can be dialled in anywhere between 10-100%.
It gets the look I want SOOC and it’s as unique to me as these things can be, is easy in the workflow and allows me to concentrate more on the interesting side of editing a film rather than the boring to me, more logistical grading.
Only really works if no one else has a say in the end result and I’m fortunate that I’m my work, the grade is 100% my call.

I also get where you are coming from and that is why I bake the LUT into my footage.
I set up all my cameras with 3 basic profiles based on ISO and WB for outdoor, indoor and low-lowlight scenarios.
I say LUT, but there are actually 2x LUTS stacked; the conversion LUT and then my own custom ‘Look LUT’ which can be dialled in anywhere between 10-100%.
It gets the look I want SOOC and it’s as unique to me as these things can be, is easy in the workflow and allows me to concentrate more on the interesting side of editing a film rather than the boring to me, more logistical grading.
Only really works if no one else has a say in the end result and I’m fortunate that I’m my work, the grade is 100% my call.

I also get where you are coming from and that is why I bake the LUT into my footage.
I set up all my cameras with 3 basic profiles based on ISO and WB for outdoor, indoor and low-lowlight scenarios.
I say LUT, but there are actually 2x LUTS stacked; the conversion LUT and then my own custom ‘Look LUT’ which can be dialled in anywhere between 10-100%.
It gets the look I want SOOC and it’s as unique to me as these things can be, is easy in the workflow and allows me to concentrate more on the interesting side of editing a film rather than the boring to me, more logistical grading.
Only really works if no one else has a say in the end result and I’m fortunate that I’m my work, the grade is 100% my call.

Unless I need to, I only keep my camera bodies in cages for the added protection and then just put them in these for the top and side handles. I really, really hate rigging these dayes. It's perfect for handheld work.
 https://a.co/d/05vYlA3b

Could do as Panasonic are not Sigma’s master…but I don’t think it will have all the features of an S1ii, but no IBIS would probably be a deal-breaker for me as it would need to have a superb level of digital stabilisation for my needs.
I don’t know about others, but I’m not one for rigging stuff out and so few OIS L Mount lenses.

An FP with the S1ii sensor, tilt screen and IBIS for me would be done deal.
Before the S1ii/S1Rii came out in basically a modified S5ii chassis…which I don’t mind, I had hoped and would have preferred the cine style body of the FX3.
I tested and loved the concept of the FP-L but just too many compromises.
I got why Sigma didn’t make a mainstream camera but at the same time, you have to have certain stuff or it will hurt sales.
As far as I am aware, the FP has never been anything but a low selling cult camera.
I don’t think a new model would change that scenario that much but surely at least addressing a couple of key areas is going to help in that regard.
If this new camera is an FP2 and if it has certain features, I don’t think it would be enough for anyone to be chucking away whole systems to go over to, but for those maybe already in L Mount or for folks that only need one camera, it could be viable.
It has to be a bit more than an S9 though…

Super cool.
The only thing that I don’t like is the lack of stability, so I guess I like ‘the look’ more than anything.
I’d never use any ‘retro’ camera myself, but I like the concept and idea of it.
Keep pushing Kye!

…according to the smoke signals coming from the Dolomites.
It isn’t the successor to the S1H, but what remains to be seen…
Options:
A. A bit too soon for an S9II surely?
B. A photo-oriented version though maybe?
C. A new Sigma, next gen FP/L? With a faster sensor, tilt screen and IBIS, that would be ossum.
D. A Leica ‘Q3’ with interchangeable lens mount?
E. DJI enters the arena with a non gimbal, non flying camera?
Speculate below!

Hard to say really other than at the time, it was easily the best ‘raw’ footage I was getting out of any camera and I am pretty sure that log vs log, no baked in LUT, it would stack up with any contemporary full frame L Mount.
Opinion rather than fact.
It was and still is such a great bit of kit.
In terms of my use case, the S1Rii is better (AF, bake in a LUT, IBIS) but build and handling, the S1H.
Otherwise, a new L Mount camera is supposedly coming next week and a successor to the S1H some time in the first 1/2 of 2027, but we’ll see…
The L10 was only ever intended as an ‘EDC’ for me and I didn’t expect it to really work in my working environment and that use case was only really because one of my S9’s had stopped working .
I was…and still might, picking up another S9 for the 2027 season but no rush and interested to see what else comes along in the next 6 months…

10 mins max? I only ever test these things in real world scenarios so no stop watches etc...
30+ Celsius. Usually direct sunlight which must add what, another 10 degrees? Why da fuck did they insist in making these things black?!
Sorry, but it was never going to be that.
I'd still have it today if I could bake in a LUT...
 

And…
…selling it.
It’s been a decent stills experience but less so video.
From the stills perspective, it takes nice pics but back to the same old dilemma I always have and that is the best camera I have with me at all times is always going to be my phone and it’s a PITA to carry 2 devices.
On the video side if things, it worked well enough on the gimbal but operating the gimbal as a one man band hybrid shooter is as much a PITA as that ever was so selling the RS4 mini also and replacing both, ie the gimbal and the L10 with a Pocket 4P.
Also, in the static role, overheated in literally no time in the type of environment  I typically work in and at not much difference in size to an S9 with a small lens, which despite not having a fan, is surprisingly durable. More so than my S1Rii’s I *think*.
I have not tested the latter but as my S1Rii’s have overheated in a static role multiple times and my S9 never has…
Anyway, L10, I wanted to really like it, but it’s not cutting it for work purposes (never really expected it to as than as D cam at best) and can’t really be bothered as an EDC and with hindsight I shouldn’t have bothered, but hey, we sometimes need to try to find stuff out.
Anyone want to buy a lightly used L10 in the UK?!

The one thing I have not tried is the e stab, but straight out of the box with zero set up other than a quick balance, on the RS4 mini with the optional tracking module, it worked superbly.
Not even close to anything like overheating, but then so far, I have only really been shooting stills with it.
Start up time must be fine as I have not noticed anything other than it takes a second or so for the zoom to find it’s last setting, either; 28, 50 or 75mm as I have it set.
Battery life excellent. I just came back from a week long trip to Scotland and shot well over 1000 frames and battery still showing 2 bars.

Ah, I miss the 70’s…
These days your high school friends tend to get shot with 9mm.

The tagline needs to be, “make a movie while looking like a tourist”.
From what I saw, the quality (in the right hands) is pretty insane.
My own iPhone 13 Pro is getting close to retirement and probably will be replaced in 2027…

Funny you should write this, I just got a A7v last week. 
My reasons are a bit different, we were awarded a project once again where we shot the bulk last round on Sony cameras, and will be using some of the B-roll for the new shoots.
I just wanted all the new parts I'm shooting on Slog 3 cine as well.
It feels a lot more refined than the A74 I had a while back!

I am currently taking a good hard look at the V…
Not the A7RV that I had, but the more recent V for vanilla, as in none-R, the 33mp one.
As a pure stills camera.
In a direct comparison between the A7RV I had and the S1Rii that I currently have, bodies only, nothing in it.
The Sony has more megapixels which gives more latitude to punch in allowing shorter focal length lenses plus even better (more accurate) AF and is smaller & lighter with battery life and the S1Rii counters with…well with what actually…??
’Something’ I can’t quite put my finger on…
It’s only slightly behind in the above factors and the only thing I can come up with that I prefer over the Sony is, “I prefer using it”.
But…and this is the big one and the above confirms it even more, there are quite a few bodies that do what I need them to do, but very few lenses.
As things stand, I’m not going to jump immediately, but my primary tool for next year is going to be based on a specific lens, or at least something very much like it and that lens is the Sony 50-150 f2.
I can’t quite get past it. It is the perfect outdoor lens for my line of work.
Yes I wish it was smaller and lighter but that is it’s only compromise. The cost isn’t because for business use, it’s not that big a deal.
But, it’s E Mount only so native on Sony or adapted on Nikon.
The more recent A7V beats the A7RV for me as it’s; better in low-light, even faster and more accurate AF and I prefer 33mp when I don’t need to crop so aggressively.
There is nothing else from Sony that would work for me as a body. 
Nikon, I had the ZF and with primes and smaller zooms it’s fine, but with the 50-150 adapted, it would be trash to use, especially as there is no battery grip and I prefer the A7V/S1Rii style fully artic screen.
Ditto ZR. And there are reports of banding in certain lighting conditions. If it had a mech shutter and the type of rear LCD I prefer, I’d be all over it.
Z8? Could get away with no battery grip and it’s an option…
Z9? Prefer it over the Z8 and could be an option…
But with both of the latter, there have been reports of this specific lens, the 50-150, not working quite as well as it does natively…
And then the final piece of this particular puzzle is the fact that is not a fact but could become a fact, that from within the L Mount alliance, someone pops out a rival lens to the 50-150…
No signs but a patent went in a few years ago apparently for a longer focal length to the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 which was I believe for a 45-90 or very similar.
That would do it for me as keep me in the L Mount alliance for all my needs because with the S1Rii I could just about punch in for my needs.
So you have 6 months L Mount Alliance to come up with something and it MUST be internal zooming and MUST be f2 or faster and ideally, basically the existing 28-45mm f1.8 in longer focal length such as 45-90 and then we’re good.
Because if not, I will almost certainly be chopping in one of my S1Rii’s for either a Sony or a Nikon plus 2 lenses.
For video though, all the other (4) bodies and lenses will remain LUMIX/Sigma because as things stand.
A. They are unbeatable for my needs.
B. The cost to change would be hideous and if that change was sideways at best, what would be the point?
The simplest answer to all this is make that fucking lens Sigma. You have 6 months to get it on the market. 7 months at a real push because if there is no sign of it within 4-5 max, I will be jumping ship for all my stills photo needs.

Agree and if they ever come out with a longer option such as a 70mm or even am 85mm and manage to keep it f2/2.5, they would make for a great little set.
20/40/70 would be really superb!
They make less sense if you are already invested in the f1.8’s which are hardly large and pretty light.

Side 100%. Can’t stand tall stuff!
I’m rebuying the battery grip for one of my S1Rii’s because it’s just a bit too unwieldy with the Sigma 28-105 f2.8, especially in portrait orientation where having that shutter trigger button is a boon.
That lens is only on the camera 20-25% of the time but it makes sense to just keep the battery grip on at all times for the constant familiarity in handling even with smaller & lighter primes plus it would be faff to keep switching.
On the other S1Rii, I have the Smallrig half cage which is basically just a base plate with a side rectangle that is supposed to protect any cables, but has 3 threaded holes.
Just a case of attaching the thingy that holds a P4 to that left side and then simply have it in the horizontal plane when I want to capture some gimbal video whilst shooting stills plus the ability to flip it to the portrait mode the rest of the time when I want to shoot social media BTS BS.
Also much easier workflow than shooting open gate and having to frame for both 16:9 and 9:16 in the same shot and sort through all that footage.
Less kit, less BS, better workflow.