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Camera conspiracies is great, though I've been following him since his vegan days in Thailand. He's just a silly every day guy with a very quirky sense of humor. He's very honest and non corporate which is endearing.
I really don't know why someone can't make an ideal vlogging camera. Panasonic is pretty much just phase detect AF away from doing it. Though I agree something like the GH5S with IBIS and better AF would be pretty ideal. -
Yeah the Pocket camera idea could work with a better battery life and tilt screen. I’d prefer a smaller Ursa body though with the Pocket 6k sensor. Phase detect AF would be huge though I don’t see it happening. I’m guessing an URSA LF will be the next BM camera though. I don’t mind lower res camera but 6k full frame seems to be the way forward. I’d love if the Pocket 6k could do full sensor 4k RAW tho
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4 hours ago, HockeyFan12 said:
Trust your eyes, not the internet. And now that I look at it again the 6K actually looks pretty clean to me and with much better color linearity and the 4.6k and especially EVA1 look really really noisy, just with less banding, but maybe the noise covers the banding?
I've never seen objectionable banding with the 6K in real world scenarios. Anyway the dynamic range numbers don't tell the full story and imo highlight dynamic range (and the texture, not quantity of shadow noise) is what matters most. P6K excels at both. Definitely don't trust an online test and don't trust some random person's interpretation of it! Your firsthand experience is infinitely more valuable.
The vertical lines on the 4.6k ruin it in the deep shadows. Maybe the G2 doesn't share that issue though.
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18 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:
Like this?
Yeah it just doesn't hold up in real life, not sure whats up with the inaccurate measurements
17 hours ago, HockeyFan12 said:I think that particular thumbnail is from a low light comparison, but that's a very useful channel.
To my eye;
4.6K G2:
Highlights hold to about +4.5. Shadows go deep but get green and unusable around -4 or -4.5.
EVA1:
Highlights hold almost to +5. Shadows go deep but heavy noise. Nice color linearity, but maybe good to -3.5?
Amira clips around +5.5, maybe a bit better. Great color linearity but noisy, but nice noise texture. Good to -4.5 but noisy? So would measure much worse but it looks good. Subjective.
S1H:
Pretty similar to EVA1, much more banding. Difficult to judge shadows because banding, noise texture, etc. is all more subjective than results on a wedge chart.
P6K:
This was at 400 ISO. So it looks like +4 or +4.5 and -2 or -3 if you can tolerate some banding. But at 800 ISO that would be +5 or +5.5 and -1 or -2 but that's from banding, not noise. So if you don't underexpose and rate at 800 ISO I can see this being surprisingly close to an Alexa unless you need to dig into the shadows.
S1 has great highlight detail, not so good shadows:
https://vimeo.com/399496111Every result is fantastic. An embarrassment of riches on the market today. I don't entirely trust the methodology though.
Weird thing I was getting less noise in the shadows against the URSA at 800 ISO
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22 hours ago, JordanWright said:
Could you link these videos and I’d love to see your tests!
I think an issue is that some companies are very liberal about the DR numbers On there cameras. I recently saw someone share a DR chart of the BMMCC that looked very similar to the Helium/Komodo chart that Red released, which have wildly different ratings (13-16+)
Your findings comparing the 4.6k and the 6K are interesting, I wonder if the higher resolution is helping the low end quite a bit. I do wonder how my 4K compares aswell.
Gonna link them later today or tomorrow, I'm out of town RN. They are pretty conclusive tho IMO
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23 hours ago, androidlad said:
If this was truth, then there would be accompanying empirical evidence to support it.
For now, it's only your subjective opinion.
Also in BRAW, 6K scored 11.8 stops and URSA Mini G2 scored 12.1.
I tested the Ursa with CDNG which scored 12.6 and 13 with NR. I used NR in my test.
12 hours ago, IronFilm said:Why do you think that? I know of people who purchased new URSAs during the last couple of years.
As for the P6K, I thought they're using an identical sensor to the P4K but just a bigger cut of it? So a 4K crop of the P6K should be identical to the P4K?
Nah it's a different sensor entirely. I'm assuming its similar to the XT3 / A6300 sensor.
41 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:So I assume this means the Pocket 6K has bette rdynamic range than the 4K. Im pretty impressed with the DR of the Pocket 4K. It holds up very well with the BRAW codec.
I'm looking to get the 6K, once regular work returns.
Yeah the P4K definitely is great. Better than an A6300/GH5S/XT3
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8 hours ago, Deadcode said:
Please post some original files.
Will post up on Google Drive. Its not the best test in the world but it does demonstrate the Pocket 6k's greater dynamic range. I set both cameras to the same ISO, aperture, and shutter speed and used a 300w LED to clip the subjects face and see which could pull back more highlights. Then we did a rough shadow test. The URSA seemed to be on par with the Pocket shadow wise but you got the vertical fixed noise, which ruined it.
Hopefully I can get them up today or tomorrow.
My first indication was @Juan Melara Alexa Powergrade thread. He tested it against the Alexa and found the P6K had more highlight information. Then I saw someone posting how the Pocket 6k has more dynamic range than the RED helium.5 hours ago, kye said:Welcome to the "I discovered that something that 'everyone knows' is completely wrong by simply trying it out myself" club.
If this was a real club then my rank would be 'Grand General Lord - Class 15 - Special' because the number of times I've spent 30 minutes doing a test and found out everyone online is talking out of their asses about something is beyond counting at this point.
We should make t-shirts.
haha yeah for sure. I feel like Blackmagic doesn't market their cameras well enough lol. They should put out their own dynamic range charts or tests against other cameras. The Pocket 6k would clean the floor with almost anything imho.
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8 minutes ago, heart0less said:
I got the same impression watching some comparisons.
I wonder how much of this is simply Blackmagic worrying that they slightly overdid BMPCC6K, which could hurt their Ursa sales. Though, I doubt many people bought brand new Ursas during past two years.
Could be for sure. When it was first announced I was super excited. I thought it was going to be shooting video similar to what my XT3 can do in RAW stills. It turns out that is close to being true.
I've seen a lot of threads discussing Pocket 6k vs something higher end, and the lower dynamic range is always brought up. But it turns out the Pocket 6k is right up there with the C500 MK2 even the Alexa.
Certainly there are advantages to an alexa or RED helium but its really getting slimmer and slimmer. The URSA G2 form factor, rolling shutter, form factor, and 4k 120fps and all still big advantages. But for me rolling shutter is rarely an issue and I am usually ready to take a hit on most things to put dynamic range at a priority.- filmmakereu and Emanuel
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This is a very strange one to me. I've seen online tests as well as examples from shoots I've been on of the Pocket 6k having really great dynamic range. Yet Blackmagic claims it has less dynamic range than the Ursa Mini and the same dynamic range as the Pocket 4k. Cinema 5d measured it at 11.9 stops while measuring the Ursa at 12.6.
I tested the Pocket 6k against the URSA, both at 800 iso and the Pocket had more highlight and shadow information, by a good amount. If the Ursa has 12.6 stops of dynamic range the Pocket 6k has got to have over 13 maybe 13.5.
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7 minutes ago, sanveer said:
I initially thought its Sony. But while Panasonic has 10-bit video and No PDAF, Olympus had PDAF and No 10-bit video. Which makes me suddenly wonder, whether its Sony putting those restrictions or Panasonic and Olympus, themselves.
Fuji has 10-bit video, but its 4-2-0, though it isn't as big a difference as one would imagine. And everyone else using Sony Sensors seems to have External 10-bit video, including Sony themselves.
About the Sale of the Imaging Division, I am curious why Olympus wants to sell it, to be set up as a completely new entity, unless it plans to further sell it or allow such prospects. It's at an MoU stage, right now, so a miracle could still save Plympus. Though a company would want to buy into M43, if it offered something above other ILCs, and a roadmap for noticeable further improvements and innovations. I am also guessing that Olympus may want to only sell their division to a Japanese company.
I am suddenly wondering Panasonic's M43 division would also announce something equally shocking, sooner than later?
Sony doesn't even have external 10 bit video lol. Panasonic claims they don't do PDAF as it degrades IQ.
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This camera sucks beyond belief lol. Camera conspiracies hit the nail on the head.
One of the best features that Pana has is IBIS, especially for vlogging and they removed it lmao. 10 bit is another great feature, really puts the image quality ahead. But they don't include that either... Plus it sounds like it doesn't have the auto focus features of the G9, which is also pretty essential for vlogging.
Just get a G9.
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I am thinking the funky colors in the violin shot are due to underexposure. It looks like a rather high dynamic range scene. To get good exposure on your subject you'd probably have to clip the sky in the back. Underexposure can result in funky colors.
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Yeah it looks way underexposed my man
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How does the light work in mixed lighting conditions. Say daylight coming in from windows and interior tungsten lights? @Sage
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1 hour ago, MrSMW said:
That’s my other option. Just waiting to pull the trigger based on one months notice to what should now be the first job of the year.
Currently, that is 29th July, but will cancel if quarantine not lifted by the end of June.
Then next one should be 30th Aug, but they are getting twitchy...
Basically I’m not spending until I have to and that may not even be until Spring 2021...
Makes sense. Its already lifted here thankfully. Hopefully the virus doesn't come back in full force tho..
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3 minutes ago, heart0less said:
IMHO, it's comparing apples to oranges.
BMPCC4K is a M4/3 camera sold for 1300$, whereas Z-CAM S6 features S35 sensor and costs almost twice as much - 2499$. And you don't get a free Resolve Studio with it.
To be honest, I'm surprised to see that the Z-CAM isn't that much better than Pocket 4K.If he were to compare E2 S6 to BMPCC6K, then alright - it'd be more fair, but still, BlackMagic is cheaper (1995$ for 6K) and gives you an amazing piece of software without any additional fee.
Spenser Sakurai uploaded a video recently, where he discusses Z-CAM F6 (the one with FF sensor) and he was quite pleased with it, but he mentioned that the whole Z-RAW idea is terribly implemented at the moment. Nothing really supports it.
This dude's main reason for purchasing it was form factor. He found a rigged up P4K to be impractical on rough and dirty shoots. He still loves BRAW though he said the Z-cam has more dynamic range. Form factor is honestly a big reason I didn't pull the trigger on the P4K, though I still might get one honestly. If the P6K had full sensor 4k RAW I'd be all over it.
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Not to spam with youtube videos but seeing as their aren't a ton of Z-cam reviews on Youtube I thought this was interesting. He had previously switched from Fuji to BMPCC4K. He was impressed with the RAW and better tonal transitions going from 10 bit H265 to BRAW. He seems to really love the Z-cam though.- IronFilm and heart0less
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Used market is probably your best bet. The 18-35 lens is so sturdy you don't really have to worry about them going bad imho
3 minutes ago, MrSMW said:I wish we had this offer in Europe.
Did the maths and by the time I’ve paid import duty, it’s cheaper to buy here.
I need one as I stupidly sold mine last year intending to do something different which didn’t work out...
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I bought one and then cancelled it lol. Have to save for home rental deposit. 😥
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truth about Pocket 6k dynamic range
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I can send a google drive link for RAW files if anyone wants. But I think this demonstrates the dynamic range differences.
Ursa 4.6k over exposed
Pocket 6k over exposed
Ursa 4.6k under exposed (zoomed in to show noise pattern better)
Pocket 6k under exposed (zoomed in to show noise pattern better)