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22 minutes ago, Super8 said:

 

Pixel binned 4k has no heating limits, awesome 😬😬😬

30 minutes ago, Yurolov said:

This is not a professional tool. I'm sorry, but if it overheats then it cannot be used in a professional setting. Will be fine for youtubers and people doing stuff for personal hobby and such. But not a serious paid professional. 

The amount of hypocrisy in this forum is bewildering. Everyone giving it a pass left and right. Yes, it matters if it overheats only in direct sun lol. If I am shooting anywhere outside there is a good chance I will be in the direct sun, unless I confine myself to shade. 

Nah bro, the difference is this camera is no different than Sony's other offerings in terms of overheating. In fact it sounds like it handles overheating better than their previous offerings. If you recall no one complained about the Fuji overheating in direct sun. That is because the issue isn't the Canon overheating its that it overheats abnormal conditions. It overheats just from taking stills??!!?? wtf

Sure I wish Sony would have found a way to just eliminate overheating altogether but it at least sounds manageable. Never had an issue with my Fuji XT3 even though it will overheat in direct sun especially at 4k 60p. 
 

The S1 is cheap enough where its a good option. Downsampled 4k 10 bit internal and 4k 60p. With a $500 recorder you get high bitrate up to 4k 60p not bad at all. 

What I do wish is that they'd allow the camera to do Prores RAW out like the S1H. The S1H is a bit too pricey to interest me for what it is. 

What they really need to make the S1H more competitive is allow internal RAW recording. 

Verdict is if you film a lot in direct sun and live in Florida buy an S1H. If you only record 35 minutes per shoot get a R5 or R6 LOL

1 minute ago, andjo said:

That Dan Watson video made me wondering if A7S and R5 overheat/shut down at the same temperature software wise? Or if they have different cutoff points. Haven't seen any hard numbers on this. The R5 manual doesn't seem to mention any specific number?

Its gotta be software partially on the R5. How could it shut off at the exact same time in direct sun as it did indoors air conditioned?

3 minutes ago, Django said:

I'm aware of that yet in sunlight the R5 beat the A7S3. Also at least that "BS lineskipped 1080p looking 4k" doesn't brick the camera, whereas A7S3 seemingly failed in 4K24p under 23mn.

Let me be clear, neither situation is good. If you shoot outdoors in the summer or live in hot climate it's basically a no go. 

All I'm saying is Sony deserves the same amount of scrutiny that Canon endured in the last few weeks.

 

Not really as I don't think the Canon is usable under any circumstance if its overheating in an air conditioned building indoors and takes 2 hours to cool down. 

Its not a new thing for Sony though, the A73 would overheat quickly outdoors in direct sun. In that crazy Flordia sunlight camera test I think the A73 lasted 5 minutes lol. Most situations don't call for your camera being left to bake in the sun though. 

Not even being able to record video after a 1 hour stills session is what the Canon is offering. I don't think the Canon received the scrutiny it did for overheating while baking in the sun. 

1 hour ago, Django said:

So the Canons have overheat issues and get bashed to death, memes and all.. but the new Sony, who in a clear comparison test shuts down completely under 23 minutes and before the R5 sitting next to it.. and it gets a free pass? Kinda sounds like double standards.

The difference is at normal temps the camera can go for over an hour without overheating at 4k 120p. While the Canon seems to overheat in 30 minutes regardless and needs an hour or two to cool down. Also no BS lineskipped 1080p looking 4k. 

Winner winner chicken dinner. 

It sounds like this camera has more traditional overheating problems, such as when in direct sun. 

The odd thing about the Canon is it seems to overheat at the exact same time regardless of direct sun or indoors. 

Sony needs to get rid of the low light NR though. Thats a killer. 

2 minutes ago, Electro said:

Thanks for the responses.  I'm also concerned with the resampling from 6K to 4K.  I know that is not optimal, but how much of an issue is it in real world situations?  I have the original pocket and the fact that the sensor is 1920 x 1080 and it shoots 1920 x 1080 makes for a remarkably clean image.  The Pocket 4K and Pocket 6K have this "feature", but the bloated size of the new pockets (compared to the original) is a major issue for me.  The FP's form factor is great and the full frame sensor is not such a bad thing.  However, I'm interested in FP owners' comments on how the 6K to 4K resampling affects image quality in a real world sense (I know this is subjective, but still interested in everyone's thoughts).  Any comparison to the pocket 4K or 6K would be useful as well.  Thanks in advance!

The FP image is super clean. However there are the usual aliasing issues you get with pixel binning and line skipping. 

Its gonna be great but will have record limits and overheating. 

6 hours ago, Django said:

So A7S3 specs have leaked and plot twist: it will also overheat and has a thermal cutoff..

" One focus of the camera is video recording. Unlike Canon with the EOS R5, Sony does not use 8K for video, but continues to use 4K, which is said to achieve the best results so far with an alpha camera. The sensor’s 12 MP resolution enables a full-pixel readout without pixel binning and without crop up to 4K / 60p. In this setting, the recording limit should be one hour without overheating – the EOS R5 only manages 30 minutes at 4K / 60p. The video recording of the Alpha 7S III in 4K / 120p mode is limited to this length – by the way, a slight crop is used (1.1x).S "

i.e.

A7S3 FF no crop 4K60p is rated at 60mn & 4K120p = 30mn

Better on paper than R5 but how will it play out in real world situations? hopefully we get an answer tomorrow with the hands-on.

 

Sounds similar to the A6300. It needs to cool down within like 10 minutes though. 

Its just Canon intentionally crippling their cameras so people will buy their higher end EOS line. Though the crippling seems quite insane at this point. I guess we were all idiots for thinking Canon made a 180. 

I doubt the A73 is capable of 4k 60p. The S1 is way bigger for a reason. 

I am excited to see what Sony puts out. 

Overheating after shooting stills can't be the new norm. 

@tuppTo be clear I agree with you, shooting in LOG is usually the best option for the reasons you mentioned. 

Another example where I don't shoot log. Weddings where I am delivering the image to someone else to edit. I just shoot Eterna. It just looks nice off the bat. Usually log is preferred to send to editors but weddings are so dicey. I have no idea who's editing and don't trust them tbh lol. 

58 minutes ago, Batteries said:

So a GFX 100 with 12 Bit ProRes Raw to a Ninja V seems like the better option.

Yeah although I don't think auto focus is that great on the GFX. It does have that special sauce image.

 S1H is a much more affordable option. 

Panasonic continues to be the most reliable workhorse for video. Although there seems to be a file corruption issue I've seen mentioned a lot. 

In Blackmagic we trust 😆

Right now the Pana S1 and the Nikon Z6 would be my go to for full frame video with a strong lean towards the S1. 

2 hours ago, John Matthews said:

Sorry, I can't stand that guy. The amount of BS that spews from his channel is quite incredible.

I said this before, but the waiting time to film again is probably such a deal-breaker for so many people. Also, I don't really even see the point of getting this camera for stills. Apparently, Canon agrees due to them marketing this camera as a 8k video beast.

I don't watch him much but I think this video was pretty informative. 

Depends on the camera. Fuji doesn't provide Luts to match there in camera profiles. A big appeal of Fuji is the color and if you are shooting LOG you just don't get the same experience. Even the Eterna lut which they provide doesn't really match the Eterna profile in camera. 

I also don't recommend anyone use F-log as it has weird macroblocking issues that ruins footage regardless of how you expose. 
 

Toneh chimed in. Some decent information in there. The R5 actually outperformed the XT4 at 60p. 

The R5 seemed to perform the same in direct sun as it did inside, which is odd. The XT4 overheated quicker outside in direct sun. 

However apparently the R5 took 2 full hours to cool down. Which is insane! 

On another note the Canon RP HD video looks horrendous. 

6 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

I probably wouldn’t care as much if the line-skipped or pixel-binned, or whatever it is, unlimited 4K24p mode didn’t look like garbage.

You have many shitty options:

1) Don’t take any photos and get about 20 mins of 4KHQ video that looks good with amazing AF

2) Take photos and loose the ability to take HQ video.

3) Take photos or video that gives your heartburn when you remind yourself you pain $4K for it.

It’s really too bad the R6 overheats in its modestly oversampled recording modes. I really wanted to have a solid FF mirrorless option. Still not here.

What about the Tilta cooling option? 

Seems to be viable. Kind of embarrassing you have to buy a second party product to have your camera function but it is what it is.

I am still waiting on Dynamic range results from both cameras.

4 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

Canon has left hanger sized doors for the competition to walk through. Can Sony do it?

Panasonic has almost everything except AF with the S1H. Can they do it?

Can anybody do it?

Everybody can, no one wants to apparently. 

8 hours ago, tupp said:

Nothing beats the eye of a versatile, experienced color grader.  A LUT is limited in regards to what shots it can make look good.  A LUT designed for high key won't work with a low key shot, and vice versa.

Very true but most aren't experienced colorists. Its why you see so much crappy colored footage out there. People think its best to shoot in LOG or RAW when they'd be better off just using a straight out of camera profile. 

The other plus to shooting in a baked in profile is simply speed. If you choose your exposure and look while shooting you don't have to make those decisions in post which quickens the workflow. Of course if you aren't experienced or quick enough you could end up with a lot of bad shots that aren't really fixable. 

5 hours ago, mechanicalEYE said:

 

Actually really nice looking image. The auto focus was a tad slow, but I assume that could be tweaked in settings. If it was a Fuji it would be jumping and pulsing to no end. 

The audio was off though...... 

8 hours ago, neosushi said:

I haven't noticed that yet... Were you recording 10bit ? Also I think IBIS is pretty good with the last update. My only problem so far is AF, and I am not sure about overheating, I haven't heavily tested long recording situations.

Yep, its a killer. Only shows up in certain situations but when it does it makes footable pretty unusable at least to my standards. 

6 hours ago, BrunoCH said:

A music video shot on XT4 + Sirui anamorphic 50mm + Weebill S. 

F-log 10 bit H265, Editing FCPX, Color grading Resolve with RCM, without LUT

 

Beautiful! Some micro jitters at the very start but very nice. 

3 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I saw those movies. What’s your point?

They advertise comic books movies everywhere. There has been so many in the last three years it’s nauseating. Some are good. Most are more loosely woven together than Tom & Jerry cartoons.

I don't know blockbusters have been around for a long time so have comic books. I think the comic book films are a lot of fun, some better than others.

Lots of "smarter" films come out every year. There are lots of indie cinemas near where I live but I guess that probably isn't the case everywhere. I am rarely dissapointed by the indie films that end up making it to the theaters. Though I won't lie I am a huge fan of large budget action films. They are rarely good but when they are its something special, at least for me. 

9 minutes ago, rawshooter said:

Never heard of that before you mentioned it - do you have a source?

My own camera, I stopped using flog