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16 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

Interesting.

EVA1 and S1H are two years apart and I would say the EVA1 still has better footage, especially higher frame rates. You need the XLR-1 adapter to match audio. The EVA1 does have a shit screen so there is that.

You are comparing a high-end mirrorless camera to a lower-end cinema camera. Of course they will overlap a little bit.

I do get why FX9 owners are mad though.

How do you think its better at 24-30p? 

1 minute ago, Video Hummus said:

Phillip Bloom said he had a heat lamp on the A7SIII at like 120F And it overheated in 100p mode and 60p modes...after around 30 mins. However, unlike the R5/6, after turning the camera off and then back on after 2 mins, he got another 20+ mins out of it.

He said based on his results and using it for 24 hours including filming with it for 21 hours on the beach that it was a professional tool.

It will sell very, very well.

Levi Allen, a filmmaker primarily using GH5 since its release, who is not a gear snob and has tried many cameras but always goes back to his GH5, has said he is moving on to the A7SIII for its image quality. Sooo, I suspect many people will be buying it and E-mount glass.

The R5/6 recovering times are absolutely broken.

Yeah this really seems to be the case. Hopefully its a weird firmware issue with Canon and not completely hardware but I fear its more the hardware. 

Personally I am very happy with my Pana S1 🤩

I have to say its hard to beat Fuji's Eterna and Classic Chrome. But the Panasonic just feels like a pro tool. Fuji's feel like a toy and Sony kind of does too. Maybe I'll be a convert when the XH2 comes out. 

I’d suggest the Sigma 18-35 1.8 You won’t find a shaper prime plus you’ll get 18mm 24mm 28mm and 35mm all in one at f1.8

2 hours ago, anonim said:

Early stage of domination of profit lust (over really targeting-sensibility and vision) destroyed GH5s, more over when stayed marry with 2500e even year and half after born of Pocket4k for two times less. Next stage of profit lust obsession of retro-thinking-board is responsible for stopping or postponing serious developing of m43. Terminal will be when (if at all) GH6 will be announced for 3000e plus some sort of paying add, and GH6s for 3500e... at the moment when BM day after will announce say m43 camera with APS-C 6-8k sensor behind for 2000e. I'm longing for GH6 but Panasonic's market decisions and price estimation not at all look promising to me.

I think it wasn't just the price but the fact that the Pocket 4k offered so much more spec wise. When the GH5S was announced I had really hoped it would have 4k 120 and 10 bit 4k 60p but it failed to deliver either. Plus it didn't have RAW like the Pocket 4k did. 

With 4k 60p 10 bit and 4k 120p it would have been a contender even without RAW. The ergonomics and usability combined with those specs would have turned some heads. Alas it was just a GH5 without IBIS and a 12mp sensor(no IBIS was another huge bummer). 

13 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

nfs test took 1500 pictures and right after they got 17min of 8k 10bit.... under the sun.

canon says 20min 8k at room temp I see hard time to prove that is not performing as advertised.....

is not performing as we have hoped

as advertised in one situation but not another?

I feel like the GH6 could do well if it matches the A7s3 specs, plus all Panasonic's usual high end video features and full Vlog. That plus a much lower $1500 price point, it would definitely have an audience. A lot of vloggers love Pana IBIS, if they could just get their AF together they'd get a pretty good share of that market I'd guess. 

All these recent cameras are great but they all have close to $4000 price tags.

Cameras are such a small cost in the grand scheme of a production. The camera isn't gonna make the movie sell more and that's all people really care about. Like if you get approved to shoot a Netflix show, the camera you use will be the last thing on your mind. Unless you are an insane camera enthusiast like us on here.  🤣

1 minute ago, Nezza said:

Crash cam, maybe, just maybe. A cam. Nope.

Maybe with prores RAW though. I guess the form factor is just not something that would be suitable for a professional film set. 

19 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:

I really don't think Panasonic is behind except for AF. They offer 6k,better ergonomics, ProRes RAW as well, better exposure tools, better weather sealing, better heat management, better reliability, the best screen implementation, better photography camera than the Sony a7sIII (at least a better resolution that's helpful for stills), really good color science, timecode, better IBIS, 4K DCI, anamorphic modes, etc. 

I think it's on par with the Sony offering. What makes one stronger is a weakness for the other and vice versa. 

People really tend to make Panasonic look worst than they actually are. 

Definitely behind for me. Cropped 420 10 bit 4k 60p, poor quality 120-180fps HD.

The Sony delivers 4k at 24, 60, and 120p with no crop full sensor readout. 

6k is cool and all but I honestly shoot in HD half the time and when I need more its 4k. 6K downsampled is beautiful of course but if it means no full sensor 4k 60p and shitty 120p than I'll pass. That is just me of course. 

Fuji offers an incredible bang for its buck. Its AF needs major improvements though. I'd pay $2500 for an XH2 with a 12mp sensor and 4k 120p though. Especially if it has reliable AF.

6 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

People who think the image out of the A7SIII, a $3500 mirrorless camera, isn’t very good or the skin tones are off are nitpicking the shit out of it. I feel sorry for you people. You will never be happy.

Put everything in context. This is a fantastic release from Sony. They improved almost everything from the A7SII and kept the spirit of the A7S camera intact.

I'd kind of agree. However Sony really does need to address the noise reduction issue. The Panasonic S1 and S1H initially had the same issue as well as the GH5, but they sorted in in firmware updates. Z-cam had the issue with the E2 but they address it with firmware allowing NR to be completely turned off. 

Sure many people won't care or see it but for those that want the best IQ its really a needless gimp. I am happy with the Pana S1 IQ. Its a Sony sensor for god's sake lol. 

Kind of excited to see Panasonic and Fuji's response to this camera now. The specs kind of leave both of them behind by a good bit. Prior Fuji and Pana were leading in their IQ for hybrids. XH2 soon....

9 hours ago, Wild Ranger said:

Call me paranoid if you want, but I think the overheating of the r5 and r6 is quite a marketing trap. I have already seen several videos where it is mentioned that heating occurs at very different times and several times they have said that the camera is cold to the touch (or at room temperature).
In my view, I believe that overheating is a limit set by Canon through software, I do not think it is a real hardware problem. Canon blocked the camera with a false heat alarm to generate all this debate and controversy on the matter. Then in a few months they will fix it with a simple firmware, because the problem is that, only software. In this way Cannon earns a couple more months of free advertising for his latest product.
If the camera can only be fixed by firmware, I would be very inclined to this theory (in my opinion) and would stop believing Canon. It is all very strange.

But hey, it's just my theory.

They wanted bad press? Wouldn't a camera with no major issues and 8k be way better press? I can't see them doing this intentionally. 

The S1H image is the same as the S1 at least from what I have seen and heard. 

No PDAF is a deal breaker for many looking for a hybrid camera. The stills AF is also not the greatest IMO, at least compared to my Fuji's. 

I honestly don't think there is much Canon hate. The R5 and R6 were just big disappointments. If anything people were expecting a lot from Canon as they are known as a reputable company. 

1 hour ago, PabloB said:

I don't believe that's true. Nikon when they released the Z6 it had a ton of sharpening on the image. Sony was in my eyes is just very detailed from the downsampling. Canon with their aggressive AA filter give a nice image feel at the expenses of detail which many like and some don't -  just different philosophies.

It is true. Ghosting from heavy NR is well documented 

Shoot hd render in 4k = decent looking results on YouTube 

33 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

In that case a viable alternative is to shoot at 16,000, which is much cleaner and just raise exposure in post the same way he did with the FX9. I'd be interested to see that one since we've seen how clean the a7s3 is at 16k. Its really amazing watching all the reviews how incomplete the tests are in the rush to be first. Even the Undone video leaves questions...

Chris

Maybe but the a73 even had bad NR at 3200 iso. Unless they improved it on the a7a3

Potato Jet's comparison to the FX9 was very interesting. 

He found the FX9 at max iso (12,800) with exposure brought up in post to match 64,000 iso was a better image than the A7s3 64,000 ISO. It had more detail and he said it was cleaner. I am sure this is at least partly due to the noise reduction on the A7. Pretty disappointing that Sony won't allow NR to be disabled. Very over looked thing on Sony's cameras. 
 

11 minutes ago, Django said:

The guy needs to just stick to the facts, cut the sales pitch.
 

It’s like Behiri apologizing in his R6 review to his fake docu subjects. Cmon you knew the camera was going to overheat. You even had the ice packs ready. Just give us the facts and leave the narrative drama at home FFS..

Its just the nature of media 

1 minute ago, Yurolov said:

Panasonic are the only company that respects its users and is able to engineer a properly working product for professionals. 

Regarding Gerald, what rational working professional would order a c300 mkiii and then cancel that order and get a a7siii a week later (knowing that when he bought the c300 mkiii the a7siii was coming in the not too distant future). This is someone I should take my advice from lol?

Someone who has money to spend

17 minutes ago, Django said:

Oh right, the price / form factor argument! Kinda begs to question why was the C300 MK3 even considered in the first place? Oh wait maybe it never was..

M'kay.. Touché.

Nonsense. A7S3 is a technical masterpiece & is as perfect as it gets!

I mean he did specifically say technical masterpiece, not masterpiece. 

I've flipped between form factors so I wouldn't be so quick to crucify the guy. The C300 MK2 image is really nice. I'd get it if I had the money.

Gerald has never really got on the color science superiority train, so I don't think that's much of a factor to him. 

I just had a dude on facebook tell me his S1 overheated at 93 degrees in direct sun, so go figure. I'll have to run a test on mine and see what it can handle. 

Yeah I'd get a GH4. The GX85 is also a good one up if you are willing to pony up a bit more cash. 

One of the nicest things about the GH4 is the battery lasts forever. 

At the $300 price point though a GH3 or G6 are good options. 

I wish they'd allow the S1 to do Prores RAW.

On another note @Andrew Reid

A while back you suggested I buy a Lumix S1 over the URSA 4.6k, turns out you were right. Just got the S1 in the mail today and the image is absolutely incredible. 

Tons of reasons why he might choose two A7S3 over a C300 MK2. Biggest is that its two cameras for less than the price of one C300 MK2. The Sony is also a much more practical travel camera. He also does a ton of studio stuff so direct sun is probably not an issue for him. 
 

I've seen the A73 used a ton professionally for video and photos, and the A7S3 is a more capable piece of gear, at least for video so.....

Too bad the colors are still wack on the A7S3. 

Thoughts on color? 

14 minutes ago, Super8 said:

It was actually showing recovery times.  

Yep. The downsampled 4k at 24 and 30p is only a one time 30 minute record limit. Assuming that means you can't just hit record again after. 

Someone will probably come up with a conspiracy theory that Sony is paying all reviewers to hate on Canon while sending unlimited praise to their camera. 

When I first heard about the overheating I was fine with it. Its pretty normal across the board at this point. I thought 8k really isn't needed much most people will be using 4k regardless. But it just gets worse and worse. 2 hour waits to cool down, overheating in an air conditioned room. Overheating just from shooting stills, not even recording any video?

I am sure these limitations will work for some people but definitely not for me.