Simon Young

Why are you getting so worked up bro? I gave a sensible explanation. all you seem capable of is personal insults. Who's the one not only acting insecure but immature? Nobody here care what your work buddies use/don't use. Topic isn't "Show & Tell School Day". I never had an interest in Panasonic cameras. You don't see me in Panasonic threads talking shit. Ease up or GTFOH.

A bit off topic but : this remind me of "our planet" that I finished to watch some days ago. In the BTS episode, especially the Siberian Tiger sequence, I was intrigued by something concerning the camera traps that filmed the sequences that ended in the episode "forests". Yes, they used GH4's : https://www.tshed.co.uk/2019/04/netflix-our-planet-siberian-tigers-filmed-with-the-tshed-4k-trail-camera-system/
Seeing that among cinema cameras (saw some Red), and given how this sequence captured by the Gh4's render well, it made me thinking a lot 😄

This represents the type of comments I will come back to when the misty eyed corona pandemic induced haze of wishful thinking goes away.
Thinking the R5 is going to outperform the C500ii for a fraction of the price is so delusional it’s heartbreaking. Do you really think the Canon engineers have somehow come up with a way to defy physics? That the R5 sensor and body will magically not be affected by or generate heat? Or that they have conjured up a 45MP sensor that has such an incredible readout speed that rolling shutter won’t be an issue? Or that they mystically now have leap frogged the Sony sensors with regards to dynamic range?
Get a fucking grip.

@Django wow, here goes the Sony fanboy crying again - I shoot with Nikon and Fuji by the way, I hate Sony to a fault. See what you assume when you're getting all excited about how the R5 outperforms the Canon cinema line is just that, an assumption. Numbers on paper. No real world testing, no initiated information about codecs and bitrates, reliability and on and on. Who knows, the IBIS might even be botched or just plain useless, like the Sony or the X-T4. Get a fucking grip and save the panegyric for canonrumors.

$4K+ maybe... I’m still not convinced there’s any value in an 8K sensor. For most practical purposes it’s useless and doesn’t bode well for low light performance or the 4K sampling - unless Canon has a new magic sauce that they’re not using in their cinema cameras which they’re willing to use on a mirrorless camera. 
 
It’s possible of course, but, more likely, this specs-first approach feels like crowd-pleasing, hoisted over and above what really matters: offering a pleasing image (with no binning/skipping) in files we can actually use. The 4K Canon image is great from the R, as it is from its S35 big brothers, C200, C300 etc. At least with the R you get a 1:1 readout that fits the Sigma 18-35 (which I still use over the excellent full frame RF glass, along with, I might add, the drop in ND filter - which you have to swap out for the RF lenses). The pursuit of the perfect full frame image goes right to the top of the C series line - Canon aren’t going to offer a toll-free shortcut. And remember, the R5 won’t be broadcast approved without monitoring and xlr audio etc so we must dampen those Netflix dreamers - really, they’ve started. This is not a cinema camera replacement. It’s a companion, maybe.
 
Let’s not kid ourselves. The R5 is a specs package, not the perfect camera. It’s purpose is to destroy Canon’s competition by sucking consumers in to the brand. It’s aimed at total fantasists with more credit cards than sense, at misinformed wannabes, and the slack-jawed fanboys who consume the junk food dished out by tech YouTubers. We forced this change of tack on Canon with our whinging and now they’re ready to grab our money. Do you really want to spend an extra grand or two for 8K?
 
Unless you’re a spec glory hunter, or require 8K raw for some very case-specific VFX production work, you’re just better off waiting to compare the image of the R5 with the R6, which could have a more practical pixel count and, we can hope, an excellent 4K Raw image - with the same IBIS, and client-pleasing specs; great for a range of commercial video work and indie filmmaking. Really, what more do most of us need? 
 
Friends be careful not to blow your load on something you won’t use just because Canon entered the specs race. It’s good news, and nice to know Canon are at least listening, but it’s still a waiting game, hopefully only until the R6 is on sale. So hold on to your money - at the very least you’ll need it for those RF lenses.

The dragged out marketing hype campaign sure points to specs being overhyped. Seems like Canon is creating this awareness of a technologically advanced body for people to form their opinion on it before any real testing is done and then just brush away the caveats with rose colored glasses.

This represents the type of comments I will come back to when the misty eyed corona pandemic induced haze of wishful thinking goes away.
Thinking the R5 is going to outperform the C500ii for a fraction of the price is so delusional it’s heartbreaking. Do you really think the Canon engineers have somehow come up with a way to defy physics? That the R5 sensor and body will magically not be affected by or generate heat? Or that they have conjured up a 45MP sensor that has such an incredible readout speed that rolling shutter won’t be an issue? Or that they mystically now have leap frogged the Sony sensors with regards to dynamic range?
Get a fucking grip.

I think most people are expecting this. Especially in 8K modes. RAW mode will naturally be limited by the insane bitrates!
In practice it probably won’t affect most people. If you need longer recording times in 4K you would be better off with MFT or a cinema class camera anyway.
Sub 15 minute record limit in 8K. Fine with me. Maybe not for you.
30 mins for 4K. Still fine with me. Maybe not for you.
The Devil is always in the details with Canon.

Canon is not talking abut the recording time limits that are going to be imposed. I have a Canon insider that tells me that time limit cripples ARE in this equation. Although he knows they exist, he does not know what those times are and he told me they were still being debated internally. So, it's not set in stone yet. (This info to me is about 6 weeks old now) Anyway,..you can safely bet your life that there will be video time recording limit cripples that WILL frustrate many people. I'm curious how they are reading out that 8k and making 4k out of it. Are they going to line skip or do a crude pixel binning process to save image processing work load? I SERIOUSLY doubt Canon will be able to do an on-sensor, "Sony-style" full pixel readout at the A/D converters. I smell some 4k line skipping from the full sensor width....hmmmm.

It will have dreadful rolling shutter and overheat. If you think Canon will release a more powerfulf MILC than their 16.000 dollar C500ii but for a third of the price you should stop kidding yourselves. Like immediately. If something sounds too good to be true, it's never true.
I've tested the 1dxIII and it is of course a wonderful stills camera for sports and journalism, but its rolling shutter almost makes it unusable for handheld video, in 5k and 4k. Oddly many people don't even talk about this. Imagine what it will look like in 8k.

I won't be buying it.
Of the two, the EOS R6 is more up my street. Much more practical. Who needs 8K anyway?
Just give me an 1D X Mark III / 1D C in mirrorless form.

It's kinda wild how quick people are to trust Canon won't disappoint them, given it feels like only 6 months ago they were getting blasted for removing 24p.

It will have dreadful rolling shutter and overheat. If you think Canon will release a more powerfulf MILC than their 16.000 dollar C500ii but for a third of the price you should stop kidding yourselves. Like immediately. If something sounds too good to be true, it's never true.
I've tested the 1dxIII and it is of course a wonderful stills camera for sports and journalism, but its rolling shutter almost makes it unusable for handheld video, in 5k and 4k. Oddly many people don't even talk about this. Imagine what it will look like in 8k.

This is like a Panasonic S1H on steroids. It does RAW, and 4k at 120fps. And the 8k. I couldn't notice any fan vents, though Canon is rather secretive about the (final) design. 
The only question is what would the bitrate be? 
I am guessing it will cost over the S1H, perhaps $5000-6000. 

Wow @sanveer maybe take it easy with the name calling, finger pointing and fascism? Your last post is truly vile and I don’t think you want to go down this route in this forum.

Wow @sanveer maybe take it easy with the name calling, finger pointing and fascism? Your last post is truly vile and I don’t think you want to go down this route in this forum.

In the midst of the most impactful global event since WWII, what exactly should anyone here expect to happen?
Our careers are tied up in this mess.  When people in power make things messier, it matters.
Also curious that an argument you're making is essentially telling people that trying to be informed is a big problem.
Ignorance is hardly an effective refuge at this time.  I wish people were more informed, not less informed.  It could have saved us weeks of inaction.
But you did say "turn off the news" which implies television media, and yes, that's pretty much nonsense.  Are you watching FNC much?  They've been on the "gosh, this is serious" side of things for only about a week. Coincidentally, someone named Donald has been as well.  
Coincidentally again, some FNC talking head made the same complaint you made about "the media" last night, criticized Dr. Fauci in the process, and then DT hit caps lock while repeating the same sentiment online.
And here we are mentioning that same sentiment in a camera forum the next day.
Checks and balances indeed.  
 

New Yorker is a Left Biased magazine, you can not expect objectiveness from a media like that, obviously nobody except Left Biased people will believe on it.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-yorker/

Right that's enough. I am ashamed of some of you, quite frankly.

Potentially it would be to me if they include internal 10-bit and c-log.  I’m not a fan of the megapixel race either, although I have started pulling stills from video and that’s where I can see having 6k might be nice (although 10-bit 4K stills from my EOS R look really great for web delivery).  Hell, I’d take an HD Alexa sensor in a mirrorless body

Could these sample videos be any more boring?

I wish they would just let us shoot N-Log internally.

I sat through this video so you don’t have to, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news: the camera showed signs of overheating really quickly. Yes, they seem to be in a very warm climate but according to the reviewer warnings about overheating popped up within minutes. If this will be the case with the finished production copies, it will certainly not be suitable for any serious work. 
Ominous to say the least, especially since there are several reports about issues with the X100V as well, from overheating to misaligned focus rings. Shame on you Fujifilm.

I sat through this video so you don’t have to, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news: the camera showed signs of overheating really quickly. Yes, they seem to be in a very warm climate but according to the reviewer warnings about overheating popped up within minutes. If this will be the case with the finished production copies, it will certainly not be suitable for any serious work. 
Ominous to say the least, especially since there are several reports about issues with the X100V as well, from overheating to misaligned focus rings. Shame on you Fujifilm.

I sat through this video so you don’t have to, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news: the camera showed signs of overheating really quickly. Yes, they seem to be in a very warm climate but according to the reviewer warnings about overheating popped up within minutes. If this will be the case with the finished production copies, it will certainly not be suitable for any serious work. 
Ominous to say the least, especially since there are several reports about issues with the X100V as well, from overheating to misaligned focus rings. Shame on you Fujifilm.