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That is certainly in line with the sort of thing I'm not talking about.
It's likely a smaller battery in the R5 so it would likely require a smaller version of what I'm sure we can all agree that I'm absolutely not talking about.

On several occasions I have indicated that he will have to make a short documentary about this defective product, a product of the protection policies that Canon has with its line of film cameras. I see it difficult for Canon to apologize, since there is an army of complacent (or paid) youtubers and this audiovisual piece would remain for posterity, reminding us that we must be critical as consumers and showing how fanaticism for brands allows this type of bad practices. A short documentary that serves as an audiovisual memory.

I am absolutely not saying that someone who had an R5 could use a good old fashioned CR2032 battery eliminator in the camera then bring it out through the camera enabling them to provide a switchable power source to it to effectively remove/re-insert it without taking the camera apart each time they want to reset the recovery time.
I'm absolutely not saying that.
Someone else might say that.
But, just to be clear, I'm not saying that at all, OK?

Andrew, thanks for doing this simple, repeatable and crystal-clear test.  Could I please request that you try to develop an in-camera graded look like Sony Pro Color for the Nikon Z-Series?  Your Z-Log is fantastic and works really well with the Pro-Log LUTs (in addition to the Z-Log LUTs), but for many videos I would like to have footage that looks good straight out of camera.

Why am I talking about Nikon on a Canon forum you ask?  Because this topic convinced me to buy the Nikon Z6.  I couldn't risk having an unreliable tool from Canon.

I heard it uses the highly technologically  advanced Placebo affect to cool the camera! Cutting edge stuff!

hmm well I guess there goes the whole artificial timer conspiracy theory. now all we need is a portable cryogenic device to carry R5 during shoots!

Very much agree, it's a new tactic from Canon based on usability rather than limiting specs. They've realised limiting specs hurt sales and brand reputation. So it's the same thing in different clothing now. Make the high-end features unusable. Apparently $4000 is not enough for Canon and they want the full $15,000 from you if you want high-end specs AND usability.
And this is from a company who wants us all to rush out and buy $2K RF lenses for our crippled $4K bodies?! They can fuck off.

You are right about this Andrew, this happens on purpose. 
A pre-programmed sophisticated hammer. More a "bummer-hammer", as we are not so naive idiots. 
But I am not surprised at all, this was to be expected, Canon's usual business practices.... 
One of my friends has been servicing printers for ages. A few years ago my "all in one" Canon printer suddenly died with an error code. The strange thing was that the error code mentioned the printing head but not only printing, copying did not function either.  
I called my friend, he asked for the model number and how old it was. When I told him 6-7 years, he started to laugh. He explained, the cheap printers have app. 3 years, and the medium segment, like mine, have 6-7, then they just die. Actually a  preprogrammed "suicide-code" kills them. Most printer manufacturer do something like this but Canon is the most brutal. Many years ago the printers just said "error code xx" but it became too obvious, so Canon has implemented hundreds of error codes, and nowadays one of them comes up randomly to create the obituary. 
Servicing the defect printer head, I mean the "printer head in coma", would cost more than a new printer. Just allowing the copy function to operate was not possible. Checkmate. 
The reason is well-known, greed. I have been in business for many years and personally, I go NEVER back to a company where I have experienced so immense lack of business ethic. Just think back to the previous Canon models with missing 24p.... 
Canon has been market leader for many years but I still can't understand, how a corporation can become so arrogant, they purposely annoy their customers in stead of trying to please them. Especially now, in this hostile business environment for the camera industry. But people are preordering these cameras, so we obviously need a lot larger economic crisis... 

My brain cells are crying in agony reading some of these posts. Can't you just ban these people coming here to argue in bad faith just to obfuscate progress?

Basically the timer kicks in whenever 8K or 4K HQ is enabled in the menus and there is a live-view feed on the LCD or EVF (even if it is hidden behind a menu overlay).
That's probably just how they implemented the cripple clock in firmware.
When the screen is off it probably disables the mechanism they are using to calculate run times... either by error, or on purpose to satisfy Atomos.
That the scorching hot ambient temps and black alloy casing absorbing so much external heat don't impact the timer, has to tell you something!

It would definitely make a compelling documentary in the right hands - I'd be up for helping to fund it.

I suspected Canon to cripple this camera somehow, someway but this artificial heat limit and recovery time is really out of line. Such arrogance!
But you know what? Canon may think they control the market but we have the power to control them by boycotting Canon. Especially nowadays with the camera industry bleeding as it is. Force Canon to stop this BS. How?
If you already purchased the camera, return it. If you have it on order, cancel it. Cancel all orders with Canon. Write letters to Canon showing your disgust. Call Canon and voice your disapproval. Fight Canon with your pocketbook. Stop the BS.

I think Andrew should document the entire process, visually and make a documentary about the ethics of companies that manufacture cameras, we already have the case of Canon and Red. Even the comments from the forum could serve as support for the documentary.
 

EOSHD testing finds Canon EOS R5 overheating to be fake, with artificial timers deployed to lock out video mode. In this test, we will probe my Canon EOS R5’s actual internal temperature in Celsius, as reported by the firmware.
This week CDA-TEK and I are developing an Android app for the Canon EOS R5, which connects to the camera via the Canon API...
Please read the rest of the article on the blog carefully before commenting below

I think Jerry is calling us all beginners.....

It's a good summary in the video.
It isn't the 30 mins sold to us by Canon that is the real limitation.
It's the 0 mins after a bit of light use in the menus.
It's the biggest scandal I have ever known in the camera industry.

I guess the more people will talk about software limitation, the more Canon will have to address the issue.

@Andrew.
Can you just drop the camera in your freezer and start recording?
There is no way overheating should happen there except if it's a software limitation.

For me, it's not Canon per se, but all of the manufacturers because it seems not one of them can manage to produce a hybrid without at least one serious flaw.
Re. Canon in general, I suppose it's because more people have had or have Canon than any other brand and if you want a pure stills camera, they have always made some of the best and if you want a cine camera, ditto. They just refuse (it seems) to want to fuse the two which is one of the biggest demands in this day & age.
Personally, I am brand agnostic and though I do favour Fuji, I probably would have bought a pair of R6's had they not been crippled (for my needs) and seriously considering the new Sony for 2021. I'd have jumped into bed with the Panasonic S1 this year if the AF had been up to snuff and the Z6 last year if it had had 4k 60p internal.
If they can fix some of the issues with a flick of a switch, then in an ideal world, folks will vote with their wallets, ie, not purchase on principal. But back in the real world, if a 'thing' can be made to work, a lot of the folks who were adamant they would not purchase, will find a reason to do so.
And there are the serial camera collectors who will buy it just because it says 8k on the tin. They will never use the 8k and never actually use the camera for anything other than some snaps of; their kids, their cat, their garden and maybe a brick wall. A very long lens will be attached and it will hang around their necks as a badge of honour. If they are at a wedding and you are there to officially capture it, they will wish to let you know early on in regard to the camera jewellery they are transporting around. And if it's got the potential for 8k, they will feel especially smug. Those people will buy the camera in droves.
But I digress... All the talk of how to fix the thing outside of Canon recalling and doing it themselves is madness.
If they don't wish to do that, then fair enough and they will lose a lot of the pro market, maybe just for a time, maybe for ever and that may or may not hurt them, - it depends how much of their market is pro. I have no idea what it is but suspect it's not enough to break them.
In principle, I'd like to see it working though just because any product brought to market should work and for the overall good of our industry, but maybe there is a positive from all this...
Maybe...and I hope it's the case, those companies working on new products such as Nikon, Fuji and maybe Panasonic, who will all be aware of what has been unfolding with Canon over the last few weeks, will ensure that their own products are not open to such criticism and actually end up being better than they otherwise might have been (without the Canon debacle)?

That's complete bullshit. As others have stated, a 4K workflow, even for 1080 delivery, is standard now. I've got about 20 Terabytes of storage sitting on my desk top right now, in mixed SSDs and spinning disks. Cost a couple hundred bucks. 3 Terabytes worth of SSDs in my editing machine, cost a couple hundred more. The 1 Terabyte drives I use for my two Ninja 5 recorders cost a bit over a hundred a piece. Really big budget.
Why are we feeding the troll? I know, I feel like doing it too. But it's pointless. He either doesn't actually know much about video production, or he's a Canon shill, or, most likely, he's just here to troll. Lame.
 He doesn't believe in the cripple hammer, which is unfortunately very real in this case, hit him with the ban hammer.

Yes that much is clear I'm afraid. To be quite honest, I don't want to hear any more bullshit from you. So please take yourself off to a different forum.

No, it isn't a matter of opinion actually.
It's a matter of objective fact and you're wrong.
Where does it say in the disclosure up-front that the camera overheats in the Wifi menu waiting for a connection?
Where does it say that you only get 5 mins of 8K recording after leaving the camera turned on doing nothing for about 10-15 minutes?
Where does it say that the recovery times are extremely long and that not even applying ice to the back of the camera or freezing the body speeds the process up? It's a completely baloney situation. Electronics do not need 1 hour to cool down enough to get back to normal performance.
You do not have to leave your laptop for an hour if the Intel CPU is thermally throttled.
These are not my opinions by the way and if you want you can go and educate yourself on the factual side of semiconductors.
Is a specs sheet count as "an advert"?
What about the product description at B&H?
It is not an advert in the sense of Red Bull gives you wings.
It is completely unethical to say it has certain specs, but it's defective if you try to use it that way.

I differ in opinion.
If I where using it as designed, yes. The fact of the matter is that canon disclosed up front that there are recording limits. They can not anticipate every single usage scenario, so provided generic guidelines.. it’s not realistic to expect them to know how every single user is going to use their camera.
I’ll answer with a question: do you find yourself implicitly trusting every advertisement you see? I don’t and I seriously doubt that you do.

Exactly, we pay the money for a product described a certain way and we expect it to work.
Also, Canon used the spec sheet to generate a wave of positive hype and good publicity ahead of the pre-orders.
Then they slipped us the shitty little note about limited recording times due to heat, and assumed we'd all accept it and go "ah, gotcha!"
What kind of company is this?
And why should I ever trust them again??
Yep, as I said in my article... You would not even build a budget PC with no thermal paste!!
Yet Canon build a $4000 camera without it on the main CPU.
It's fucking disgraceful.

If Canon indeed did this on purpose I will be another one joining the camp of users jumping ship (probably to Sony or maybe going back to Nikon).
This is not the way a company should treat its customer base. We pay dearly with our hard-earned cash just to be sold an obviously defective product.
And do note that I’m an engineer by trade and this issue of not using any thermal solution in the CPU is either a monumental engineering error (which should *not* have happened as this is a basic error not event a recently-graduated engineer would do) which should result in Canon firing whoever is behind these stupid designs, or something very fishy which smells to having been done on purpose, in which case Canon deserves to be sued.
 

This is the nonsense I see on DpReview.  Apparently the camera is excused for not working reliably as its not a Professional video camera.  So why does it have 8K RAW, or 120fps 4K then?  Why provide such top video features only to cripple them?  And why is it so wrong to wish that they work as the customer requires, especially if you're paying over £4k for it.  I have video and photo functions on my phone.  Its neither a dedicated video or photo camera, yet I still expect these functions to work reliably.  Basic stuff.  How well would a phone do, if it advertised a limit on say web browsing.  You get 15 mins then it overheats and you'll have to switch off for a few hours before you can browse again.  It would be laughed at.
Canons description of the overheating limits is half a story.  There are some crucial inconsistencies their figures don't address.  Canon offered us a hybrid camera and advertised it as such.  The S1H is also a hybrid and not a true cinema camera; yet is far more reliable shooting HQ video.  Compare the R5 to that and not cinema cameras and you'll see what some of us were actually hoping for.