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They need both.

Need DX to reap in all the sales and make $$$$

But need FX for the headlines and reputation to then sell  those DX bodies, plus any few extra $ from selling FX is a good bonus too. 

Credit to @wildrym in the other thread:

On 1/14/2018 at 2:03 AM, Dimitris Stasinos said:

You won't see many GH5s in productions like this. This is a showcase, made specifically to promote GH5s. Of course you don't need IBIS if you are using a gimbal and a dolly, but why would you use a GH5 on a shoot like this, where only the daily cost of renting the rig is much more expensive that the camera's price? Why on earth would anyone make a custom set with expensive lighting setups, cranes & remote controlled gimbals to shoot with an MFT camera which hardly delivers 12 stops of DR in a compressed format?

oh you might be surprised the variety of shoots out there! I have for instance done a short film which use a Canon Rebel DSLR on a panther dolly!

Here it is, from early last year (the last time I used my Tascam DR680!):
 

5 hours ago, cantsin said:

Nikon will almost surely release a full frame mirrorless system. (The mount diameter is a strong indicator - and it wouldn't make sense for the company to launch another consumer mirrorless system after the failure of Nikon 1.)

 

There is no doubt whatsoever if Nikon will release a full frame mirrorless, the question is if they will do it in their first year? Or will it not be until later down the track, after going with DX mirrorless first (like Sony did, but Sony didn't initially plan to go FF, but Nikon is so they can plan the mount right unlike Sony who kinda made a mistake there)

3 hours ago, Nikkor said:

I hope they make compact and greaterforming lenses, leica style, not these horrible penis compensation crap you have to buy on the other systems (otherwise what's the point of removing the mirror)

More pancake lenses please. 

5 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

With the Z-mount or whatever it winds up being called

Rotate the "Z" and it is a "N" for Nikon! ;-)

5 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

P.S. Nikon should call the new mount 'MF' for mirrorless F mount. The tagline possibilities are limitless.

 

People might think MF stands for "Medium Format" "Manual Focus"! :-P 

4 hours ago, Emanuel said:

So there will be a 1" sensor. Interested now David? :-)

Wait... what?

2 hours ago, sanveer said:

Except for these guys, I couldn't any other mention of a 1inch Autel Evo Drone. Not even on their website. Also they seem to be fiddling around with the Mavic Pro sized Autel Evo and claiming it has a 1inch sensor and the same range and same everything else. 

Well you can see on the side it says 8.2mm for one of them, which makes much more sense of a lens for a 1" sensor.
 
But why the hell does my google sleuthing bring up nothing about this when I was looking earlier, and why do none of the other videos say this?

As a 1" foldable drone would be big news, they'd be shouting this from the rooftops if so! Surely??

2 hours ago, sanveer said:

DJI doesn't only make great drones, it makes great cameras on those drones. I would actually love to see a shootout between the  same sensors on different drones and ones on the DJI. I would love to see the results. 

Indeed, if true, the next question is if the camera quality from that 1" sensor is as good as the specs might promise. 

Next DJI Press conference is on Jan 23rd, we might see a DJI response any moment now. 

10 minutes ago, EthanAlexander said:

@IronFilm Shame on you for discussing other 1" drones on this 1" drone thread!

Neither the Mavic or the EVO is anywhere near close to a 1" sensor. If they did have this, then I'd be much more interested in them as an option.

To quote the specs:

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It uses a 3.5 mm lens, has a field of view of 94-degrees and a focal ratio of f/2.8.

Impossible that is a 1" sensor. 

6 minutes ago, leeys said:

Won't count on it, look at Nikon's traditional launches.

Why? We have almost nothing to compare to. It has been many many MANY years since Nikon launched a new lens system. 

With one exception: Nikon 1, back in 2011. 

Which saw four lenses at the initial launch:

https://***URL removed***/articles/9033467782/nikonlenses

Which is greater than the "minimum three" I expect their new mirrorless system to have. And I expect them to take this even more seriously than they took Nikon 1, thus it wouldn't surprise me if they launch with more lenses than Nikon 1 had initially. 

4 hours ago, Aussie Ash said:

TOKYO - Nikon Corporation is pleased to announce that total production of NIKKOR lenses* for Nikon interchangeable lens cameras reached one-hundred million* in June of 2016.

17 October 2017—Canon Inc. announced today that the Company has reached two major production milestones—a cumulative total of 90 million interchangeable-lens EOS cameras and 130 million1 EF-series interchangeable lenses.

Well well well, I made a mistake!  Very sorry about that,  because I recalled reading the news about Nikon hitting a 100 million lenses, and then my memory falsely told me they'd done that "first" according to the reports I'd read way back then. 

Seems Canon beat them to it (but only by two years ahead of Nikon). 

4 hours ago, Inazuma said:

Does anyone else feel it would be a shame if the body was to be as big as the GH5 (which is as big as the d750)? I know that a lot of you are using these mirrorless cameras in professional circumstances but I really think camera companies are missing a trick here by abandoning small bodies and lenses and abandoning more casual users. I guess my demographic must be pretty niche these days. My ideal camera really would be the a6500 with better 1080p and maybe reduced quality 4k so the screen doesn't have to dim and the body doesn't overheat. 

I used the Panasonic GF7 a little teeny bit over NYE, that camera is truly teeny tiny itself!

Hope Panasonic keeps on updating the GF/GM series. 

Oh, and the Sony a5100 is very very VERY overdue an update!

1 hour ago, Cinegain said:

Doubt it. Probably D5600 form factor regardless of FF or APS-C. Because, that's what Nikon users like. They'll start out with 0 lenses. Well, probably a 18-55 not so sensitive (like f/3.5-5.6), maybe a 16-35 sensitive (f/2.8(-4)), then perhaps a 35 and 50mm prime (f/1.8, the 50mm perhaps as f/1.4) that are native to the mirrorless game and more compact than anything they've come out with before

I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Nikon launched their big mirrorless gambit with only a single slow kit lens at launch! They'll probably have a line up of five or more lenses at launch, or at a minimum at least three lenses.  (twin kit lenses plus a prime, but even then I'd be very shocked if they take this approach, which is only a small possibility if they decide to take the cautious entry level DX consumer approach rather than the "big splash" approach)

1 hour ago, Cinegain said:

But mainly people are initially going to want to use their existing lenses, which Nikon will provide a smart adapter for (like Sony has done for Sony Alpha lenses and Canon for the EOS-M).

The success or failure of the new Nikon mirrorless launch might even pivot on how effectively their adapter works, or doesn't.  This will be a Big Deal. (because of those over a 100 million plus existing Nikon lenses, plus many many millions more third party lenses with a Nikon mount)

 

Heresy! Posting pics of an a7 series camera in a GH5S thread 

Fair point, but if we're talking about filmmaking then really this or a DJI Phantom 4 Pro is the "minimum" standard we should aspire to. 

The likes of a Mavic or similar really is just for vloggers or other people who need ultra compact drones (such as if you're out hiking in the wilderness, or if aerial shots are only your 4th priority). 

So just thought this was a more interesting and relevant new drone to discuss in this forum, but yeah, probably should should create a whole new thread for this instead? Ah well, too late now! 

3 hours ago, jonpais said:

@IronFilm Did you update your blog to bring up the issue with TC, 'cause I'm not seeing it.  

I'm holding off a little rather than being premature, let's wait to see what is the result once these ship and get used?

3 hours ago, Dimitris Stasinos said:

So, from my understanding, it jams once you press the button and then stays in the internal clock forever right?

Yes, apparently the input only is used to take the TC input *once* and then it relies upon the internal clock instead!! (until you again, manually align them up again)
Which is a dumb as fuck way to do this!

3 hours ago, Dimitris Stasinos said:

So, apart from loosing 9 fps every time it sleeps, a drift will introduced after some time.

Yes, even without the issue when the GH5S goes to sleep, it is still an extraordinarily dumb idea to rely upon a camera's TC clock itself rather than an accurate external source. 

3 hours ago, Dimitris Stasinos said:

It seems like a possible fix for a firmware update, as all it has to do to stay in sync with the generator is jamming every few seconds once you enable this in the menu. Is this correct?

It shouldn't be updated "every few seconds", it should be continuously taking TC from the external source. 

And yes, I'd be very hopefully a firmware update is on its way (might even already have happened! Panasonic might have always intended to have this work right before the GH5S started shipping, even before extrashot pointed it out).

The YUNEEC Typhoon H Plus however is much more appealing than this. 

1 hour ago, Trek of Joy said:

They have a larger user base than anyone else, more lenses sold, far more potential buyers.

False, as Nikon is well ahead with more lenses ever sold for Nikon F mount than Canon ever has done for Canon EF mount. 

8 hours ago, Emanuel said:

OK, so such external lock boxes won't overcome the issue? No workaround at all? How does it occur when a DSLR has no such feature as happens now with the GH5S? What about YAGH and the previous GH4 and GH5 models? GH series didn't start with the GH5S...

I mentioned YAGH in my article, that no more counts than saying "oh because there is a Sony XLR-K1M or a Tascam DR60D, then thus the a7S has XLR inputs!"
Likewise the YAGH as an external piece of hardware, that doesn't mean the GH4 has a timecode input in the body itself. Plus the YAGH was just a god awful implementation of the idea. But still, a "first" in its own way. 

As for the GH5, it had nothing like the YAGH (unless if counting the DMW-XLR1, but that has no TC capabilities whatsoever. However as a way to provide XLR inputs, the DMW-XLR1 was a massive massive leap forward over the YAGH!). 

And yes, if you watch the video and look at the comment I quoted, then you can see that the GH5S doesn't maintain sync with the attached lockbox (LIKE ALL OTHER CAMERAS WOULD!!!). The lockbox might as well not even be there!! So unbelievably dumb as fvck. 
 

Yeah if you're getting a full time income from video then it is a no brainer to get something better, such as a Panasonic EVA1 and adapt all your Nikon lenses to it. 

No, I mean in this thread with what extrashot said. Apparently the TC implementation by Panasonic is screwed up, such that external lock boxes won't help at all 

3 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Nothing this won't solve... : D

Did you even read what I wrote? Lockits won't help.

Same reason why on land

12 hours ago, Inazuma said:

Why would you need IBIS underwater??

 

5 hours ago, EthanAlexander said:

At CES a rep said it's an "all new sensor," which got me excited... but finally found a video where a rep says 12MP stills so it's not looking like a 1" 

A 12 megapixel 1"  sensor would be epic!!

I hope for an 18-105mm like Sony has, plus pancake lenses. (Saw the Canon 40mm f2.8 yesterday on a camera, so jealous!)

I dream of 10bit, & to have 4K with no crop. But this is Nikon, I won't hold my breath.

It better have a mic jac, & a screen that can flip forward.

1 hour ago, Cinegain said:

Their first will probably be like the Sony A7. But I'd consider a 2nd or 3rd gen. Although, they're probably going after fullframe, so... that's really not my space, actually. Doubt they'll go for an APS-C line-up. But I'd actually be up for something along the lines of a D5600 but rather than DSLR, of course in a mirrorless package, including sensor stabilization and full readout 4K, plus mic-in/headphone interface. Time will tell I guess. For now I'm sticking with MFT.

I could have written that myself. Agreed.

52 minutes ago, Aussie Ash said:

"I am not too sure anyone can make a FF mirrorless as small as Sony can. It is on the verge of overheating almost all the time. I doubt Nikon has the engineering knowledge to overcome what Sony in reality can't, and Physics to boot."

       Sony are obsessed with keeping their mirrorless bodies small -part of their marketing .

The engineering knowledge to reduce heat is quite straight forward and if a small company like 

Blackmagic can I'm sure Nikon have the R&D to do it 

lackmagic can do Nikon can as well

Do you realise how MASSIVE that heatshrink is?? And that isn't even a FF sensor.

If Nikon made a FF mirrorless with that heatsink then it would make the D5 look small!!

But EF mount + the sub 4/3" sized BMCC sensor is a very bad combo indeed.

7 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Only problem is that the Sony E-mount is well protected by patents and no-one is allowed to make it.

If others could make E-mounts then Blackmagic and JVC would already have done it. Like JB once pointed out, funny how the BMCC EF was announced just after the Canon EF patents expired.

Maybe that is a bad thing however? As if they patent had remained then perhaps Blackmagic would have done BMCC MFT first!

8 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Well, isn't it the same thing...? LOL (under means up to a certain value as much as to say a teenager is under 19 or a camera under $10K can cost anything 'under' $10,000 included... I must confess certain posts fully puzzle me :-D)

 

I'd say a teenage is "under 20"

18 hours ago, verduzco said:

43 rumors posted an article with the exact crop factors calculated for the GH5S's sensor. From what I understand, if you want to use a speedbooster with the sigma zoom lenses you'll be out of luck. I hope I'm mistaken though since I primary use my sigma 18-35mm. 

https://www.43rumors.com/exact-crop-factors-caluclated-new-gh5s-multiaspect-sensor/

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If you add a Speed Booster XL to the GH5s you get in DCI 4K a crop factor of 1,149x with 35mm lenses.

 

Wow!! That is for most practical purposes basically "full frame"!

Maaaaaaaaybe the Sigma 18-35mm might work at some focal lengths but not all? Maybe only 24-35m for instance? Be interesting if someone could test it out on a GH2/GH1 of a Speed Booster XL with a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8. 

But with a "normal" focal reducer (0.71x) you will be completely 100% fine. I use a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 on a RJ Lens Turbo with my Panasonic GH1 (which has an identical sensor width of 19mm in 16:9 as the GH5S, which is already very close to the Canon APS-C width of 22mm!). 

19 hours ago, Emanuel said:

on, there are two features I really miss on the GH5s version: IBIS and the upcoming 4K/60p 10-bit

Who believes GH6 will have 4K 60fps 10bit internal? Remember that the GH6 is a year (or more) away. I think optimistically the odds are only at best 50/50

Might need to wait for the GH7 before we see that. 

19 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Here's their "technical excuse":

oh what the fvck, I hadn't seen that video beforehand! Wow, the PR guy was trying to spin that much harder than I expected.