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19 minutes ago, Neumann Films said:

From what I understand the omission of IBIS was necessary for the inclusion of Dual ISO

I wonder what exactly is the technical conflict between those two which means they can't be included together at once? 

And will they be in the future, is this a hurdle that can be overcome on a future camera?

34 minutes ago, Neumann Films said:

Don't forget about the highlight roll off man...in my opinion it's more valuable than the low light.  Although at T4-5.6 that will be big for you as well.

Exactly, that extra dynamic range being put into the highlight roll off is what gives the Arri Alexas their famous magic mojo

29 minutes ago, JordanWright said:

Kai at CVP is claiming no increase in DR - however it wasn't a great test he did 

Well Kai is an entertainer/presenter, not a real hard core camera nerdy geek!

And he is focused on stills, not cinema. So always take an inch pinch of salt any time he talks about a non-stills subject matter. 

For stills: 10 megapixels is a big leap forward from 2 megapixels. 

Shoot manual. Might seem like a big effort at first, but it pays off big time in the long run as it is the only way to go. 

Use zebras/histogram and even better... waveforms (if you have a GH5, or a GH5S! ha), learn them, and use it. 

Might use a variable ND too if you feel you need it. 

3 minutes ago, Germy1979 said:

They've literally already done a comparison haha

https://youtu.be/q4-yE4ytw5k

Quote from the video comparison with the a7S:
 

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our initial assessment is that the Panasonic comes closer than we expected, and outperforms the Sony when you need to maintain a certain depth-of-field or when you shoot in Log.

I've been saying this for a long time that is the downside of the a7S, what good is insanely lowlight if your shallow DoF is impractical??

With the GH5S you can shoot both in low light *and* a DoF that makes sense for the shot. 

Well, the live video stream said not much of anything at all!

I think that was just the initial overview of EVERYTHING

Now they are going into more details of each product?

Might take a loooong time to get around to the GH5 finally at the end! 　

Now we know why Andrew Reid had been so quiet in the GH5S rumor threads! ;-) 
NDA was tying his hands! I half suspected as much. 

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

So what's the headline feature here? According to @IronFilm, it's TC. For me, it's the new sensor. And since I use lights, being able to shoot at ISO 3200 and beyond is a nothing burger to me. If however, skin tones and noise are significantly better than they already are with the GH5 at ISO 400-800, that might sway me. 

Everyone has their own biases at to what is the "best" new feature!

I also think the multi aspect ratio sensor is pretty cool. But of course not the "best" feature. 

Suspect in the long run I'll think the "best" new feature of the GH5S is something else than TC, but I won't be able to determine that just from reading leaked paper specs, and need to wait for the reviews to come in first. 

19 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

Panasonic would also have to rearrange or even put a completely different IBIS in the camera due to new sensor layout and its slight oversize due to multi aspectratios

 
I half wonder if multi aspect ratio sensor and IBIS is incompatible with the MFT mount?!

Strongly doubt it, but it is a slim possibility I'm curious about. 

5 minutes ago, JordanWright said:

Live streaming now!

Still got to wait a teeny bit longer....

1 hour ago, Mmmbeats said:

The problem with the GH5 is not setting timecode, but jamming or syncing to other devices.  This is actually a serious problem specifically because it is such a good potential B-cam.

And the only work around for DSLRs/mirrorless until now has been Tentacle Syncs with Aux TC, but that is quite non-standard and awkward for many people. Awesome when everyone is on board with it though! But if we can avoid this, then good news all round then. 

1 hour ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Just want to say that this topic is marked as HOT in the front page.

I guess that it corroborates future Panasonic's claims about heat dissipation with this camera.   No IBIS for this topic.

I noticed that too, haven't seen a "hot" topic on EOSHD in a while. 

Anyone know when was the last time? Was it when the GH5 was released? lol

1 hour ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

- I even already mocked about the heat issue, and it really could exist. But (as least in my mind, that could easlily be wrong) to scan a 20mp sensor in 60fps probably would generate more heat in the sensor than a 10mp one? Not ot even mention the processing to downsample a 20mp sensor to 4k in real time - in theory, the 10mp sensor probably will have a 1:1 scan, hence less work in the chipset for the encoding.

There are two halves to where this heat is coming from:

Sensor heat

Processor heat


Yeah processing power is likely less? But they're using a totally different sensor, totally different design, and it seems perhaps it gives off a lot more heat than other Panasonic designs. 

1 hour ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

- The elephant in the room is that the A7SIII will probably have IBIS, and 4kp60 too. For a not too much bigger price - and if Sony puts the A9 autofocus system and tweaks their color science (the A7RIII clips already looks better in color terms, I think), a lot of people could wait.

Panasonic GH5 will remain a *lot* cheaper than the a7Smk3, and likely will still kick its butt! Being more slickly implemented, and with better features such as waveforms and 10bit internal. 

29 minutes ago, Damphousse said:

There is no good content on Facebook.

Oh hey there, I share stuff on Facebook! 

Well well. 

GoPro should have entered the drone business YEARS earlier. 

Or used their tech/codec to go high end and launch a cinema camera perhaps. 

"Something"

Should have been clear the threat of smartphones meant the action camera business could only print them bankloads of money for so long. 

1 hour ago, Mmmbeats said:

No red button pal.

Leica after all seems to believe red buttons add special magical properties worth megabuck$$$

1 hour ago, Cinegain said:

I mean, the GH4 had it... with the YAGH brick thingamajig. Didn't the E-M1/5 Mark II have something along the lines of timecode as well?

Ahhhh true... kinda forgot about that. 

OOPS!

But I'm going to excuse myself out of this by saying it "doesn't count" ;-)  

Because that was a very very VERY wonky set up. Needs external power. And most importantly of all... needed an extra purchase! The GH5S doesn't, it has a timecode input built right into the camera itself! (with yet another weird new connection...  but that is nothing new for us soundies! ha)

Oh, and Olympus has never ever ever had this. (be very interested though if you prove me wrong!)
 

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

The GH5 has TC

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1252486/Panasonic-Dc-Gh5.html?page=169

Nope! Not in any normal sense of "TC" in terms of production use. 

Wrote up a blog post sharing my thoughts about the Panasonic GH5S, and my excitement about it being the first stills camera with true timecode capabilities:

http://ironfilm.co.nz/leaked-the-specs-of-the-panasonic-gh5s-finally-we-get-the-first-stills-camera-with-timecode-i-o/

Wrote up a blog post sharing my thoughts about the Panasonic GH5S, and my excitement about it being the first stills camera with true timecode capabilities:

http://ironfilm.co.nz/leaked-the-specs-of-the-panasonic-gh5s-finally-we-get-the-first-stills-camera-with-timecode-i-o/

Wrote up a blog post sharing my thoughts about the Panasonic GH5S, and my excitement about it being the first stills camera with true timecode capabilities:

http://ironfilm.co.nz/leaked-the-specs-of-the-panasonic-gh5s-finally-we-get-the-first-stills-camera-with-timecode-i-o/

2 minutes ago, jonpais said:

@IronFilm Check out the link I posted to his new GH5 build.

Ah what a moron, I'd even seen myself that video already beforehand! 

In all this frantic craziness of the GH5S hype I am losing my mind! And my memory. 

37 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Matthew Scott  , a supremely gifted colorist and accomplished cinematographer, went from shooting Red to the BMMCC to the GH5. Anybody in this thread have a look at any of his grading tutorials, lighting setups or reels and tell me he isn't a pro who knows his shit. 'nough said.

I have much respect for Matthew Scott! I follow him a little. 

But I thought he was still with the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera, hadn't seen anything saying he'd changed over to the GH5?

Edit: ohhh... never mind!

I look forward to his next blog post talking about the GH5 :-) I hope so? Or maybe the GH5S instead!

2 minutes ago, mercer said:

Well if these specs are correct, we now know why it’s only $2499.

Cheap for the price! 

Although, if I was going to drop $2.5K on a camera it still would be a tough choice for me between this of a second FS700 + Shogun, their prices now are quite similar to a new GH5S! :-o

However, I must resist buying any cameras! As focused on sound. But I am excited to work with this camera in the future! Which I am 100% sure I will. 

Because: FIRST EVER STILLS CAMERA WITH TC!!!!! OMG

9 minutes ago, mercer said:

Unless the GH5s shoots ProRes or Raw, it isn’t.

High quality 10bit 422 codec. 
ProRes HQ.

Meh. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. 

If people wish to think of this as "the 4K successor to the BMPCC", then they can, it is a worthy choice!

My immediate thoughts on the Panasonic GH5S is: *FINALLY* the first stills camera with TC I/O!

2 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

10mp is more than enough for a stills camera even with large prints.

The Megapixel Wars are finally over!

We thank you for your sacrifice!

2 minutes ago, sanveer said:

I am NOT sure why Panasonic didn't Include IBIS. I hope there is a good reason (sensor MP count and multi-aspect 4k crop factor) for it.

Otherwise they have Crippled a Superb camera for the GH5, for NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON.

Why would GH5 owners be Upset, Unless they are stupid. The GH5 has DOUBLE the Photo Resolution of the GH5s. That ALONE is reason not to fret or dispair. 

Don't get your knickers in a twist just yet. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a reason as to why IBIS is missing (*IF* it is missing!).

For instance perhaps the new sensor / processor lets off too much heat, thus it needs to be solidly connected to a great heatsink (which would rule out IBIS completely).