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12 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

One thing is very obvious, launch videos are better than they were for the GH5.

The constraint of lacking IBIS inspired people to greater creative heights! ;-)

2 hours ago, jonpais said:

 

 

I like a lot how they included the light meter reading at the start! Every video should have this at the start :-D 

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Of course, if you need 14 stops of dynamic range and you have superhuman powers that can detect motion cadence, I congratulate you. Because I've watched dozens of interviews with DoPs talking about everything under the sun, and not once has there ever been nonsense about motion cadence. Only in these pages!

Yeah you know something is a little weird if people are obsessed with details that top flight pros never never mention (who have it as their job to be obsessed over such tiny details!) 

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

It's a common complaint. The Titan is miles ahead of the rest. 

I'd love to try out the Titan, but my budget doesn't allow that! Maybe I'll come across the Titan magic arm on set randomly one day. 

9 minutes ago, Simon Shasha said:

My Blackmagic cameras have the opposite effect on me - when they're not surprising me, they're blowing me away with the image they deliver. Especially with the 4.7 firmware update on the Micro (that improved sensor exposure sensitivity by 2 stops)

Wait............ what??    

2 hours ago, Cinegain said:

And once you add all the options, accessoires, powersupplies and storage needed to operate a true cinema or production camera, be it a EVA1, VariCam LT, Blackmagic URSA Mini, Sony FS, Canon Cinema EOS, Kinefinity Terra, RED, ARRI, etc, you're looking at spending a 5 figures amount!

Nah! Not for the frugal wonderboy that is the Sony PMW-F3 :-D

F3 = sub $1K
Samurai = $350
SSD = less than a hundred bucks (spend the spare bucks on NP-F batteries for the recorder! Or run it on D-tap from a BP-U60)
SxS SD adapter plus SD card = fifty bucks perhaps
Couple of knock off BP-U60 batteries (if you're F3 doesn't already come with it!) = another hundred bucks

If you go the 4K raw path instead, your starting figures are:
Sony FS700 = sub $2K
Atomos = sub $1K
(plus various accessories... but I'm going to bed now! Cya)

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Not sure whether this has been posted before. Really like Bernard Bertrand's simple kit: Leica Nocticron, cage, Inferno, Bright Tangerine Titan Arm, light. V-Log, ISO 3200-6400. Handheld. The Titan is a bit on the expensive side, but worth every penny. 

I switched to arri rosettes and rails to mount my Atomos Samurai as I was sick of dealing with a magic arm!

Better auto focus too:

"After spending lots of time comparing all the videos from both camera, I feel very comfortable to say the GH5S has noticeably better video tracking performance when compared to the GH5. (GH5S running pre-production firmware 0.2 GH5 running firmware 2.2)

GH5S’s focus tracking just seems to be more responsive, it pick up changes a lot quicker. And the most important thing is the consistency seems to be much better than the GH5. With the GH5, when it detects and tracks the subject, frankly I think it works not too bad. The problem is that every now and then, the camera would just take a nap and stop or take a long time to follow the subject. Now with the GH5S, while it is still not perfect, but the consistency is just so much better. The GH5S almost always can detect any changes in focus and adjust reasonably quickly and correctly afterwards. I also notice a lot less overshoot when it’s adjusting focus as well when compare to the GH5."

If the GH5S is already that good with pre-production firmware, how much better is it going to be once polished up and shipped? :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNQmaEdBUQ

http://www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/panasonic-lumix-gh5s-review/

@Neumann Films did you see better autofocus with your anomorphic lens than you'd experienced before?   

Better auto focus too:

"After spending lots of time comparing all the videos from both camera, I feel very comfortable to say the GH5S has noticeably better video tracking performance when compared to the GH5. (GH5S running pre-production firmware 0.2 GH5 running firmware 2.2)

GH5S’s focus tracking just seems to be more responsive, it pick up changes a lot quicker. And the most important thing is the consistency seems to be much better than the GH5. With the GH5, when it detects and tracks the subject, frankly I think it works not too bad. The problem is that every now and then, the camera would just take a nap and stop or take a long time to follow the subject. Now with the GH5S, while it is still not perfect, but the consistency is just so much better. The GH5S almost always can detect any changes in focus and adjust reasonably quickly and correctly afterwards. I also notice a lot less overshoot when it’s adjusting focus as well when compare to the GH5."

If the GH5S is already that good with pre-production firmware, how much better is it going to be once polished up and shipped? :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNQmaEdBUQ

http://www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/panasonic-lumix-gh5s-review/

For those complaining about a lack of IBIS, a point to remember that the sensor moves around *in* the image circle

Possibly (I don't know, just a theory) the multi aspect ratio nature of the sensor is already pushing it to the limits of some Panasonic MFT lenses, limiting the spare space for the IBIS to work in?!?!

Personally I somewhat doubt it, but it is a possible other explanation.

38 minutes ago, Stab said:

So is it official that there is no increase in Dynamic Range in video mode?

 

You won't find anything "official" saying that. 

But on their official YouTube channel they have a certain someone saying it is a two stop increase in DR:
 

How true is this? Dunno. (he has replied himself on this point in the forums, worth looking up)

But if the shadows are so much cleaner, then I am not at all surprised if it does indeed have greater usable DR!

"A Casey Special Edition"

GH5s photo ISO test: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh5s/panasonic-gh5sA7.HTM

GH5s video tests and comparisons: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh5s/panasonic-gh5sA.HTM#shooting1

Quote

 

"At both 12,800 and 25,600, the GH5S looks slightly better than the A7S II at the same ISOs, which is both unexpected and subjectively highly impressive for a camera featuring a sensor that is a fraction the size of the other.

A sensor significantly smaller than the full-frame A7S II is beating that camera in low-light performance. I never thought I would see the day. With these test results, it's hard to argue that the GH5S is not the new king of low light."

 

21 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

Hey, what vest(with cable) is that? That you use to carry the alexa mini? (Would it be possible to combine that one to a glidecam?)

That is an easyrig, they're very *very* very common on budgeted shoots (had a producer friend say lately that *ALL* of his recent shoots his cameramen have used an easyrig). Am super tempted to get one myself this year to use with my Sony PMW-F3.

But no, would be complete and utter madness to use it with a glidecam!

12 hours ago, mat33 said:

He doesn’t like m4/3 because of the crop factor but if the GH5s is 1.86x like the GH2 then it’s pretty close to canons 1.6x crop with their APS-C. 

It gets to be so close, you're not quite splitting hairs, but you're certainly splitting twigs! ha

9 hours ago, kidzrevil said:

Dealbreaker for me. Hopefully they release a panasonic g9s or something with a low megapixel account and ibis

I think their G9 is meant to be targeted as photographers, while GH series is for filmmakers. Thus I doubt G9 will have a 10 megapixel sensor. 


 

11 hours ago, wolf33d said:

Again, I have to disagree. I sit between the 2 IronFilm. I own and use a good gimbal. However: 

Ah yes sure, I won't disagree there, the world is not B&W. And there are many shades of grey in between. 

But I was just giving it as an explanation of the two sides there are  here which can show why people can view this GH5S release so very differently.

11 hours ago, jonpais said:

GH5s - Best of CES 2018!

It should be!! :-D

Anyone seen anything better at CES this year??

7 hours ago, horshack said:

No doubt the A7s's codec is inferior but I was only speaking to sensor performance - the codec can be worked around via external recording.

No. External recording is not a solution for all problems. You are not going to magically get ten bit recordings out of the Sony a7 series.

11 hours ago, EthanAlexander said:

This isn't true. You aren't accounting for the light advantage already at play with larger sensors. So, when you stop down two stops to get the same DoF, you're ok because FF has a two stop sensitivity advantage over M34.

Not true, as you will need to shoot at two stops higher ISO with the FF camera over the MFT camera. 
So the FF camera will only be ok if it is two stops cleaner to start off with, which as we know is not always the case. 

10 hours ago, EthanAlexander said:

Yes, all-else-equal, of course

Which never ever happens in real life. 

10 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

Depending on sensor tech, lol!

At same exposure levels and in lowlight situation GH5S video shows same noise performance as A7SII at ISO 6400.

Exactly! So if I can shoot at IS0 6400 with the GH5S but the a7Smk2 is forced two stops higher to get the DoF needed for the scene then the Sony is going to be worse for the lowlight scene. It is as simple as that. 

10 hours ago, RobertoSF said:

Good to see the GH5S supports anamorphic shooting, v-log, 10-bit, low-light, C4K, time code sync, etc.  I may well have to get one. Odd that the EVA1 does not support anamorphic shooting.

Exactly, another area where the a7Smk2 is being let down. 

(for instance the great raw from the BMPCC means with noise reduction in post it can actually be pretty ok in lowlight! And in the GH5S vs a7Smk2 situation the Panasonic undoubtedly has a better codec than the Sony)

10 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

By the way, Kai is lacking a bit in competence regarding video compared to experts such as Luke Neumann or Jordan from TCS.

Kai is an entertainer first and foremost. Is not a technical camera nerd geek at all
Additionally he comes from the stills world, not the film world.

Thus naturally you need to take everything Kai says with a BIG GRAIN OF SALT!

Still love watching his videos though as he is after all a great entertainer :-) 

8 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

But let´s read what master Ebrahim has to say about this, giving his supreme analysis on the dp forum very soon!

OH BOY! Please link and quote it when this happens :-D

11 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said:

Having been burned by big manufactures I'm looking deeper into the AXIOM APERTUS and Kinefinity Terra lines of cameras.

https://www.apertus.org/axiom-beta

http://www.kinefinity.com/terra/?lang=en

Axiom is betaware at best, more like alpha even. If you go with that you need to be a keen hacker indeed.

I've been following Kinefinity for years now. They kinda make you leap frog back and forth between being excited for them or Blackmagic Design. As in a way, they are kinda like a chinese cross between RED and Blackmagic Design. 

As BMD releases a camera which is amazing that gets you excited, then some many months later Kinefinity comes along and releases one which is even better and gets you excited for them instead! Then next year's NAB eventually rolls around and BMD brings out a new top dog product! Then some months passes... and you see Kinefinity has a new camera. And so the back and forth cycle continues. 

Or at least that is how it feels for me! :-P

8 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

The Kinefinity seems like a nice camera output wise, but damn it seems like a camera company one step from going Bankrupt all the time.

Nah, they have never had money issues we know about. No reason at all to make up the statement they might go bankrupt. 

Plus Kinefinity has a much bigger parent company, which I'm sure adds to their financial stability. 

7 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said:

My guess it because they lack broad support from the community. The same can be said for both RED and Blackmagic when they initially started. It will take time for Kinefinity to gain brand recognition.

 

Kinefinity has been much more focused on their local domestic market (and the nearby other asian countries), as china is a BILLION PEOPLE after all. But that is changing, and they're starting to do a bit more of a push into the western world. (such as Philip Bloom is doing a review of the Terra now, and they're getting more distributors)

7 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said:

"Tangerine" was acclaimed. All shot on an iPhone. Look at the original "Blair Witch" film. Did rather well too. STORY IS KING.

 

Don't forget however that "Tangerine" was shot also with tens and tens of thousands of dollars of sound equipment and a professional experienced soundie. 

On 12/28/2017 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Hartman said:

I was looking at the Rokinon XEEN series but at that point as might as well just buy an Alexa and sell the blood of my first born child. ?

Yeah if a person is shooting with a DSLR/mirrorless then they should just get Rokinon Cine DS lenses for identical image quality instead. 

Is what I did:

http://ironfilm.co.nz/rokinon-cine-lenses/

11 hours ago, Neumann Films said:

Not releasing any clips was a point of contention this time around

What about once the camera ships, you could release it then? (as I guess they're trying to avoid raw clips being leaked before the shipping date)

8 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Why not have both? For $4300 you can have 2 cameras, each with a different set of strengths. 

Or get a GH5S + gimbal for even less!

5 hours ago, ajay said:

Some people at Panny are claiming better dynamic range but so far, no real confirmation via a legitimate test. Has anyone seen anything of substance? Seems like everyone is focused on low-light tests.

If the shadows are simply cleaner than in the GH5 (which it appears yes they are indeed) then that should automatically mean greater dynamic range which is usable?

15 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Low light when shooting indoors in more problematic for me.

Generally lowlight outdoors is more the trouble...  indoors we have access to electricity and lights! 

18 minutes ago, EthanAlexander said:

Then just stop down the lens .  Don't want to go down the rabbit hole of equivalency, but there's no reason a full frame camera can't achieve the exact same DoF as M43 and vice versa (Although it's easier for FF to achieve shallow DoF with current lens offerings).

You're missing my point completely I fear. 

For the a7S to match DoF with the GH5S then the a7S much have a much higher F-stop, which thus puts it at an immediate lowlight disadvantage which it has to first overcome. 

Thus it is not just a case of the GH5S being great at a given ISO, but practically speaking you'll find it works even better than the ISO suggests in a lowlight scene as you won't need to close the f-stop as far. 

10 minutes ago, Michael1 said:

It seems like the GH5S is geared more towards production companies, rather than run and gun and hybrid users, which is fine.  My only concern would be that they don't pull features out of the future GH6 just to differentiate it from other models, like many camera manufacturers do.  The hybrid user doesn't want to be compromised in stills or video just because of marketing positioning.  It should have everything they can put in, while keeping it a premiere hybrid camera.

I doubt Panasonic is doing that. Quite likely there are serious overheating issues they need to avoid with the GH5S. 

Unless... they made the GH5S without IBIS purely to pander to the car rig shooters?? I doubt it that they'd kill IBIS just for them!!

50 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Just saw the asking price. m4/3 isn't what it used to be.

If you think MFT is expensive don't go and check out prices of Sony FE mount cameras.......       

18 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

Your comment does not make sense. Who on earth said a video camera should not have IBIS? 
FACT is GH5 is a small and light camera that shakes a lot. for VIDEO use, IBIS is a great feature. It's a big miss on the GH5S. Period. Now if you do not need IBIS good for you, but do not say it is normal to not have IBIS because it is a video camera. 

I think we have to very different kinds of shooters here (very very rough stereotyping here, don't shoot me!):

Ultra low budget shooters / event shooters / stealth docos / etc  vs filmmakers. 

The first type are often shooting with nothing but the camera and a lens, so IBIS is a pure godsend for them!

For the second type, to use a gimbal (or slider, or dolly, or tripod, or monopod, or whatever!) is completely normal everyday business for them, and they don't see what is the big fuss about losing IBIS when Panasonic is giving us all these wonderful goodies!

7 minutes ago, JordanWright said:

Does the Multi Aspect Sensor in the GH5s have a less than 2x crop?

It has x1.8-ish