Andrew Reid

For those in love with the FULL FRAME look which system gets closest in 4K?

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Full frame is a stills format. Sure there are CINEMA cameras of similar proportions, Vista Vision, 65mm film, etc. But there are no full frame video cameras (NEX VG900 does not count, as it was rubbish!!)

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It's always baffled me why Sony have never put the a7s sensor into a small video body... you'd think it would be really popular with NDs, XLRs and a nice codec

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@Andrew Reid NX1 (NX mount) is seeing a prototype of a speedbooster with a 1.1 crop in effect.

You can find the project in your sticky NX1 topic. One of your forum members is developing this piece of tech.

 

Btw, beautifl article.

quote:

"When the sensor is physically already smaller than full frame, any further crop employed in 4K is added to that base crop (for example 1.5x for the APS-C Fuji X-T2 plus a further 1.17x crop in UHD 4K)."

 

Would you like to add a sentence to your article about the simple math of calculating the resulting crop out of sensor crop and additional 4K crop?

For instance for Fuji XT2:

1.5 APC-crop * 1.17 additonal 4K crop = 1.75 total crop for 4K

 

That way the simple math would be explicitely written done for every seeking soul.

 

cheers

 

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When I had the FS700 I used a Speedbooster which made it close to full frame. That's one of the things I loved about that camera. I would love for Blackmagic to make an E Mount Ursa Mini, even though we all know it won't happen.

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The A7s2 is such an amazing and versatile workhorse camera. The more I use it the more I love it. And the Image is gorgeous when used right. And its been more durable than the 1DC to me. 4 Weeks of india in monsoon season were no problem, Sensor does black balance by itself ( I had to send the 1DC to service every 2 months and they started to charge me). The stills have a nice quality as well (good enough for most of my customers). Used with native manual lenses ( 21,35 and 50 loxia in my case) battery time and weight is great.

I see myself using this cam for some years, at least until they have a new "S" sensor including phase detection AF.

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I use a Speedbooster Ultra on my A7RII in Super 35. Super 35 image quality and I get what amounts to FF when using my MF Contax/Zeiss MF lenses + gaining a stop ... so a little better low light capability. 

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2 hours ago, Jimmy said:

RED Helium too... if you have the wedge

My understanding is that Red Helium is not 'full frame', it is Super 35. Red used a smaller pixel density to get 8K onto an S35 sensor.

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17 minutes ago, Bill Sepaniak said:

I use a Speedbooster Ultra on my A7RII in Super 35. Super 35 image quality and I get what amounts to FF when using my MF Contax/Zeiss MF lenses + gaining a stop ... so a little better low light capability. 

Or save a wedge and use the A6300? I suppose you get the sensor stabilisation with the A7 series.

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3 hours ago, Jimmy said:

It's always baffled me why Sony have never put the a7s sensor into a small video body... you'd think it would be really popular with NDs, XLRs and a nice codec

Oh man, if the FS5 had the A7S II sensor with IBIS, that would be brutally fantastic.

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Timely article Andrew. I believe the Metabones XL only increases aperture by 1 & 1/3 stop, not the one and half stop faster F-stop you mention in the article.

In terms of 35mm equivalent focal length, I get that a Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L would become an effective 90-256mm on a standard MFT camera with XL adapter, but what about an APSC lens like the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM? B&H claim this lens has a 35mm Equivalent Focal Length of 28.8-56mm so is there more to calculate the 35mm equivalent when used on MFT with XL adapter?

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Andrew, just for my understanding. Your key sentence for me was: “. . . when we refer to full frame video, we only take into account the horizontal crop and take the different aspect ratio for granted.”

In the case for the actual GH4 it means:  

GH4 Sensor:           4608:3456 (4:3)

GH4 QFHD:            3840:2160 (16:9) which is 52% of the GH4 sensor area.

For the upcoming GH5 “full sensor readout” has been announced. Taken the same sensor dimensions into account it will then use 4608 horizontal Pixels for 16:9 4k video, which means 4608:2592 pixels are used: This is  75% of the sensor area. As result, the new GH5 will use 50% more of the sensor area, but - of course - per se it can’t be “true” 100% full sensor readout  for video.  

I know, everybody has understood this except me. Sometimes it needs post like yours, Andrew, to understand basics, at least for me. Thanks.

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4 hours ago, Jimmy said:

It's always baffled me why Sony have never put the a7s sensor into a small video body... you'd think it would be really popular with NDs, XLRs and a nice codec

Sony is protecting it's mirrorless line! ;)

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2 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:

My understanding is that Red Helium is not 'full frame', it is Super 35. Red used a smaller pixel density to get 8K onto an S35 sensor.

Yea...you're right... it is red dragon 8k I'm thinking of.

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2 hours ago, BasiliskFilm said:

Or save a wedge and use the A6300? I suppose you get the sensor stabilisation with the A7 series.

I also large format fine art photography ... 24 X 36" or larger that I print (and sell) on canvas. A little harder to do with an A6300.

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7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

a7s-ii-crop.jpg

The video crop factors of the current 4K cameras, and an easy way to calculate crop factors...

Read the full article

Crop Factor is based in the Image Circle, that's why the diagonal is used instead of the width. The diagonal is based on the video mode not stills mode (entire sensor), so it's a little more work to compute the Crop Factor. Your math is indeed simpler, unfortunately it will lead to confusion since it's not actually the Crop Factor. You could call it Width Ratio or similar to let people know it's not the image circle diameter ratio and not the actual Crop Factor.

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Dear Andrew,

thank you very much for your post, that is very useful to clarify what the crop factor is, while in the web there is a big confusion.

However I’m a bit disappointed you didn’t mention NX1 in your article, whereas this superb camera is living a second life beyond the official “death” also thanks to the great passion of some members of your forum.

Best

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