2025 camera rankings new vs used

[FHDcrew]

36 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

I have my S1RII’s set up with:

[4.7K] 4736x3552 (4:3)

50.00p, 300Mbps (4:2:0 10-bit LongGOP) (H.265/HEVC, LPCM)

Why APSC when it’s a full-frame camera?

INTERNAL zoom Sigma 17-40mm f1.8 which with the crop factor for APSC and for standard EIS, makes it a 28-66mm FF equivalent lens and all factors considered, this body with this lens, is a sweet spot for me; cost, size, weight, ergos, file sizes, quality, workflow/bake in my LUT, 1:2.4 pano crop for my films and 9:16 for my socials…

The image out of the S1RII is superior to that of my S9 side by side when I shot them 6k. Every frame on a timeline, I can see which is which immediately.

For me it’s camera of the year, no question.

Yep. Modern Panasonic full frame bodies make amazing super35 cams. I’d be interested in re-trying the S9 with the Sigma 18-35; found an EF lens adapter that does NOT force APSC mode….which means you can use e-stabilization high as a super 35 crop and get steady cam caliber stabilization while retaining the full Super35mm FOV…when I had the S9 I used a Viltrox adapter that forced the APSC crop with the sigma 18-35…so to use it on top of the e-stabilization high made the crop almost 2x MFT level…what’s crazy is the image was still very clean and detailed and lowlight was still good; noise was very organic and pleasing at high ISO even when cropped in so far. I only really disliked the build quality. That darn rear dial felt so flimsy. And hearing that they failed all the time…no thanks. 
 

I’ve pretty much settled at giving the Olympus EM1X a shot though; I believe the Metabones 0.71x does work with PDAF in video. I’ll be trying that first.  EM1X + Sigma 18-35.  If I hate it, maybe will get an S9 again. I’ll make a new thread with my thoughts when I get the camera. Gonna extensively test the 8 bit OMLOG400 as well as ProRes RAW to my Atomos Ninja v.  So stoked to try this camera. Might be perfect for my needs. And seems build quality is apparently legendary top-tier on the EM1X. 
 

But yes, my Nikon Z6 OG as well as all of my F mount lenses and FTZ adapter were boxed and shipped to MPB the other day. Onto EM1X land. 

[BTM_Pix]

10 hours ago, Andrew - EOSHD said:

What is the video like on it by the way, does it have any?

It has video.

If you thought people got into a hate frenzy about the stills side, that’s mild compared to the video side.

[newfoundmass]

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Indeed.

Attention spans get ever shorter and if you don’t play the game, you are not in the game.

Whether you like playing said game is irrelevant, - just a necessary evil.

Being able to make 2 forms of content relatively easily from one source is the quickest (and cheapest) way to achieving this and why Lumix cameras especially excel, - multiple frame markers.

I have mine set up for 1:2.4 + 9:16 with a 75% blackout and it’s 👍👍

Yeah, I hate having to do it but if you don't you're screwed. I really, really, hate it.

[fuzzynormal]

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

you don’t play the game, you are not in the game.

What game, tho'?

[newfoundmass]

33 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

What game, tho'?

I think @MrSMWmeans the social media game.

You can post all the content you want, but if you're not posting content in the way people want to view it (vertical) then you might as well not post it at all. The difference in viewership is massive, whether it's the algorithm simply not serving up non-vertical content or people just swipe away from it.

If I can film something that can both be used for long form traditional content AND social media vertical content, then I definitely will prioritize cameras that allow me to do that. Open gate is very advantageous feature for those of us who have to create content for both.

[kye]

10 hours ago, FHDcrew said:

So valid haha…and I remember 8 years ago not very many people even cared about the 5k open gate on the gh5. Now a camera is “so useless” if it doesn’t have what the gh5 has had for YEARS…the marketing agencies (oops I mean YouTubers) deem it necessary for clicks. 

Don't forget that there is a silent army of people who are making work for clients.

I am in a number of private groups with professionals (shooting corporate, advertising/PR, etc) and things like open gate are absolutely critical for those amongst them doing commercial work.  I thought that Cams video on open gate was actually really good and explained it well.

Basically every camera argument is people saying "I definitely need the things I use, and no-one needs the things I don't use".

[FHDcrew]

2 hours ago, kye said:

Don't forget that there is a silent army of people who are making work for clients.

I am in a number of private groups with professionals (shooting corporate, advertising/PR, etc) and things like open gate are absolutely critical for those amongst them doing commercial work.  I thought that Cams video on open gate was actually really good and explained it well.

Basically every camera argument is people saying "I definitely need the things I use, and no-one needs the things I don't use".

Fair point. 

[Andrew - EOSHD]

10 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

It has video.

If you thought people got into a hate frenzy about the stills side, that’s mild compared to the video side.

I'm actually surprised there's not a camera with a vertical sensor yet, for portrait video seeing as it's basically the dominant social media format.

No square sensor either.

And if Open Gate didn't pretend to be for anamorphic shooters, it'd be 1:1 not 4:3!

[Thpriest]

Open gate for professional work is a real time saver. I had to film a series of interviews with football players for a bank here in Spain with was released in vertical and horizontal formats. 6K open gate gives so much flexibility.

I vote for my Lumix S1ii as new camera of the year, for me at least.

I think the Lumix S5 and S5ii are incredible bargains on the secondhand market.