Jump to content
Andrew Reid

Sony RX10 M2 - first part of my review and a mini-comparison with the A7S and Canon 1D C

Recommended Posts

the monitor of the RX10 has serious issues when in High ISOs in Av Mode... You can't see anything other than a lot of noise. It is really strange, it seems to affect only the preview on the monitor, becouse the image is almost clean

Can't you just shoot in 23.98 and deliver 24p? It seems that most feature length films do it this way.

 

EDIT: That is to say if your projecting on film or in PAL.

I could... but wouldn it be better if the Sony shoots at perfect 24 fps like the GH4? Unfortunately also the export from Vegas to XAVC is only at 23,97.... really unhappy about this... you need to wrap it into a mainconcept AVC or X264 file to get proper 24p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras EOSHD Pro LOG for Sony CamerasEOSHD C-LOG and Film Profiles for All Canon DSLRs

Hi Andrew

Have you been able to set the camera up to shoot REAL 24p? Cause mine RX10 II shoots only 23,976 in NTSC Mode.... Im really unhappy about this....

would be glad to get any workaround.... thanks

If you really need 24p output then just conform to 24p.  The speed increase and pitch increase will be utterly negligible.

However, unless your content is being projected its unlikely you do need 24p output.

For PAL you would need to conform to 25p anyway, so no difference in effort there.

And to do a 3-2 pull down to 59.94 NTSC or 29.97 you need 23.976 anyway.

So even real 24p would have to be confomed to 23.976

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you really need 24p output then just conform to 24p.  The speed increase and pitch increase will be utterly negligible.

However, unless your content is being projected its unlikely you do need 24p output.

For PAL you would need to conform to 25p anyway, so no difference in effort there.

And to do a 3-2 pull down to 59.94 NTSC or 29.97 you need 23.976 anyway.

So even real 24p would have to be confomed to 23.976

Converting perfect 24 to 23.976 is much more problematic than doing it the other way around, so that's what most people seem to recommend. There have been some good threads on this over at DVX User and Red User. 

Also, I've worked at 3 local film festivals and have never encountered a projector that couldn't handle 23.976. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How's the lens for manual focusing? 

It was pretty good, I tried following my friend around the block with it. The autofocus was reliable for any sort of wide shot or once you were at f5.6.

 I needed to use focus peaking for the onboard screen to make it viable at f2.8. I would rather use the graticle or 502/sidefinder to actually see it at high-resolution with a nice contrasty LUT.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How's the lens for manual focusing? 

Needs some getting used to, after all there's always software involved. Depending on the mode you're in, functions change and you can't always customize to your liking. Sometimes you have the automated magnification assist, sometimes you don't. Together with the AF switch on the front and the peaking w/ the large DoF it's workable for me. Think, you'll have to try it out yourself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Converting perfect 24 to 23.976 is much more problematic than doing it the other way around, so that's what most people seem to recommend. There have been some good threads on this over at DVX User and Red User. 
Also, I've worked at 3 local film festivals and have never encountered a projector that couldn't handle 23.976. 

they all want perfect 24p

I understand that for US it doesnt matter, but to me it matters if it is 23,97 or 24p

I cant understand why Sony does advice that the cam can shoot 24p, when it doesnt. the gh4 can handle it perfectly too, and I suppose other Sony cams can also do perfect 24p

How's the lens for manual focusing? 

it's a pain.... for video you need to switch to MF, caus in DMF it still runs the zoom, while in Af Mode you can either use DMF or MF to focus. In my opinion, focus peaking and the display does work really BAD

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

they all want perfect 24p

What? They all specify specifically "not 23.976" without you prompting it?  Or are they just saying they want "24p" or "perfect 24p".  This is an important distinction given that most people don't know the difference.  They may just mean 24p rather than 25p.

But if it really matters to you, then it obviously isn't the camera for you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello everyone. A question if I may?

I have been playing around with the slog function and was wondering if like the A7s, there is a base iso for log with the RX10? 

I tried iso 800 as a starting point with decent results but was wondering if like the A7s, I should be using 3200?

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

it's a pain.... for video you need to switch to MF, caus in DMF it still runs the zoom, while in Af Mode you can either use DMF or MF to focus. In my opinion, focus peaking and the display does work really BAD

well, of course, if you're shooting video professionally you would never want to use DMF anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi

they all want perfect 24p

I understand that for US it doesnt matter, but to me it matters if it is 23,97 or 24p

I cant understand why Sony does advice that the cam can shoot 24p, when it doesnt. the gh4 can handle it perfectly too, and I suppose other Sony cams can also do perfect 24p

 

Pretty much select very few cameras shoot at 24p.

On the 7DII I remember finding a dedicated menu setting separate from the normal res/fps one, it's called 24p. When you activate it, the camera gives you a warning not to use this mode for anything other than inter-cutting the video with footage shot 24p negative film. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello everyone. A question if I may?

I have been playing around with the slog function and was wondering if like the A7s, there is a base iso for log with the RX10? 

I tried iso 800 as a starting point with decent results but was wondering if like the A7s, I should be using 3200?

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

3200 is hardly usable, just stick with the SLOG minimum of 800, pretty sure that will be the native. The small sensor is no good in high ISO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For stills, it's surprisingly good at 3200. For video, best sticking to the native ISO in SLog. 

Reviewed my stills again and you're right. Quite a few nice shots around 3200. The ones I complained about before, I've just noticed, just had fast shutter. I like the grain very much, too, looks nicely organic.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

agolex, TheRenaissanceMan,

Thank you. I didn't realize the camera would automatically pick an iso when I chose PP7. I just manually set the camera to iso 800.

3200 did seem a bit high for such a small sensor but I thought I'd ask to be sure. Now the learning curve with Davinci resolve and maybe I'll be able to make some nice videos.

Thank you again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What? They all specify specifically "not 23.976" without you prompting it?  Or are they just saying they want "24p" or "perfect 24p".  This is an important distinction given that most people don't know the difference.  They may just mean 24p rather than 25p.

But if it really matters to you, then it obviously isn't the camera for you.

i just prefer the number 24 aesthetically tbh ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What? They all specify specifically "not 23.976" without you prompting it?  Or are they just saying they want "24p" or "perfect 24p".  This is an important distinction given that most people don't know the difference.  They may just mean 24p rather than 25p.

But if it really matters to you, then it obviously isn't the camera for you.

The client and the cinema projections says 24,00p. No 23,98, no 23,976, nothing else.

Since Sony statet out it is 24p (while they are mentionin 23,97 as 23p on their website) I thought the camera cna support also perfect 24p cinema standard like the gh4, that also can handle 23,97 / 24,00 / 25,00 / 29,97

Hello everyone. A question if I may?

I have been playing around with the slog function and was wondering if like the A7s, there is a base iso for log with the RX10? 

I tried iso 800 as a starting point with decent results but was wondering if like the A7s, I should be using 3200?

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

Native ISO is 800 as I understood. I would go up to 1600 and maybe 3200 since the cpu is very good. But the chip is only 1".

Have you been able to get a better display quality in Av Mode when shooting in low light conditions? It looks like to me the display is switching to SD resolution

well, of course, if you're shooting video professionally you would never want to use DMF anyway.

yes no doubt. but what I dont understand why in Av mode DMF + MF is controlling the focus and why in video mode it drives the zoom in DMF. Looks pretty unlogical to me. When you are going to shoot pictures in AV you need to switch back from MF to DMF becouse otherwise you have focus zoom in on the display.

I whished that the controls would be more logicla and intuitive like on the GH4....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...