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Sony RX10 M2 - first part of my review and a mini-comparison with the A7S and Canon 1D C

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This looks like a brilliant piece of kit, and great review part as always!

The whole short 4K recording thing is odd though. Is this really only Asian models? How about the US model? If I end up with a US model will i get the nice long recording times, and still be able to use PAL rates?

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Seems so. Here is another Asian Sony site confirming five minute limit: http://www.sony-asia.com/product/dsc-rx10m2

If not it is an almighty f- up. I have messaged a couple of Sony Facebook pages to try and get to the bottom of it. A press release in Singapore said 30 mins.

With mirrorless the most popular in Asia, why would they cripple it? Any reason at all? I think it's a f-up! But worth knowing for sure. 

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SanDisk are usually higher quality than Transcend and if they advertise up to 90 MB/s write instead of the 65 from the Transcends, I'm pretty sure they will work. Kaylee can probably tell us that they do.

Whatever ... the camera simply doesn't allow 100M write speed to be even set, unless it's a U3 speed card, according to the manual, and my experience with RX100 M4.  It really doesn't matter how fast the U1 card is.

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Whatever ... the camera simply doesn't allow 100M write speed to be even set, unless it's a U3 speed card, according to the manual, and my experience with RX100 M4.  It really doesn't matter how fast the U1 card is.

I have a pny sdxc 256gb U1 card that works fine with both 4k 100m and xavc-s 120fps. Its this one http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-256GB-Speed/dp/B00FF90EZM

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Andreeeeew what's up with the review ??

He said "today or tomorrow" about two weeks ago. It ain't happening for some reason (with any kind of predictibility). Same thing happened with Bloom. Hopefully the Camera Store do one soon and there are some other opinions slowly popping up. Pretty mixed opinions though; generally photographers are "meh" and videographers seem more enthusiastic. But nobody is making bold statements like it can be used as a b cam for the Sony xxx or it is on a par with the Panasonic xxx.

No replies from Sony yet about the five minutes. The fact that it costs a lot in India is a good sign, which points to it more likely being a mistake in the specs list, as it is very similar to the RX100 in other ways. The reason Samsung make lower spec phones in Asia is so they can charge less, so it makes no sense to criple it and actually charge more. The fact there have been no replies means even Sony aren't sure.

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He said "today or tomorrow" about two weeks ago. It ain't happening for some reason (with any kind of predictibility). Same thing happened with Bloom. Hopefully the Camera Store do one soon and there are some other opinions slowly popping up. Pretty mixed opinions though; generally photographers are "meh" and videographers seem more enthusiastic. But nobody is making bold statements like it can be used as a b cam for the Sony xxx or it is on a par with the Panasonic xxx.

No replies from Sony yet about the five minutes. The fact that it costs a lot in India is a good sign, which points to it more likely being a mistake in the specs list, as it is very similar to the RX100 in other ways. The reason Samsung make lower spec phones in Asia is so they can charge less, so it makes no sense to criple it and actually charge more. The fact there have been no replies means even Sony aren't sure.

I honestly think this is a goof by Sony. I couldn't think of any reason why this would be reduced - the GH4, NX1, A7RII and all the others 4k internals certainly aren't. 

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I saw some sample pics from the RX10 ii (on http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/sony-rx10-ii-real-world-samples#page=1 ), and I noticed, that it doesn't seem to resolve a lot of detail for a 20MP camera. Also, the low light on it doesn't appear to be very good. I would say that ISO 1600 is probably the maximum that one should push it, and ISO 800 would actually be quite good. I also find that the lens, like that on the LX100, seems better at portraits that at wide shots. In portrait it seems ti resolve a lot more detail. 

 

Rx10ii is more expensive in india comparatively USA. Despite having its 5 minutes limit. 

 

He said "today or tomorrow" about two weeks ago. It ain't happening for some reason (with any kind of predictibility). Same thing happened with Bloom. Hopefully the Camera Store do one soon and there are some other opinions slowly popping up. Pretty mixed opinions though; generally photographers are "meh" and videographers seem more enthusiastic. But nobody is making bold statements like it can be used as a b cam for the Sony xxx or it is on a par with the Panasonic xxx.

No replies from Sony yet about the five minutes. The fact that it costs a lot in India is a good sign, which points to it more likely being a mistake in the specs list, as it is very similar to the RX100 in other ways. The reason Samsung make lower spec phones in Asia is so they can charge less, so it makes no sense to criple it and actually charge more. The fact there have been no replies means even Sony aren't sure.

 

 

I think camera manufacturers who are complacent about markets like India are actually ill-informed. I see a lot of Nikon and Canon DSLRs and their long zooms cost less in India than in a lot of other countries (including the US). I am sure Canon and Nikon are milking the market for millions of US$. It's actually Sony and Panasonic's loss, by bringing in older models, and having a poor after sales setup. 

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Just to wade into the 4 min recording limit debate.

I bought my RX10II off UK ebay from a Hong Kong seller and saved a lot. I checked the 4 minute recording issue and it's a NON-ISSUE for my model of camera. Not sure where it was sourced from, but I let it run at 4K for 14 or so minutes to make sure. Even if there was a limit, I don't think it would be an issue. You very rarely need to record consistently for longer than a minute or two unless you're filming a wedding or concert, and this is not the camera for that!

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Just to wade into the 4 min recording limit debate.

I bought my RX10II off UK ebay from a Hong Kong seller and saved a lot. I checked the 4 minute recording issue and it's a NON-ISSUE for my model of camera. Not sure where it was sourced from, but I let it run at 4K for 14 or so minutes to make sure. Even if there was a limit, I don't think it would be an issue. You very rarely need to record consistently for longer than a minute or two unless you're filming a wedding or concert, and this is not the camera for that!

The 5 min record limit applies to the Rx100 iv. The RX10 ii has a 29 min record time. 

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Just to wade into the 4 min recording limit debate.

I bought my RX10II off UK ebay from a Hong Kong seller and saved a lot. I checked the 4 minute recording issue and it's a NON-ISSUE for my model of camera. Not sure where it was sourced from, but I let it run at 4K for 14 or so minutes to make sure. Even if there was a limit, I don't think it would be an issue. You very rarely need to record consistently for longer than a minute or two unless you're filming a wedding or concert, and this is not the camera for that!

Funny as that is exactly what I was looking at it for. All in one stuff when I don't have the luxury of renting things.

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Just to wade into the 4 min recording limit debate.

I bought my RX10II off UK ebay from a Hong Kong seller and saved a lot. I checked the 4 minute recording issue and it's a NON-ISSUE for my model of camera. Not sure where it was sourced from, but I let it run at 4K for 14 or so minutes to make sure. Even if there was a limit, I don't think it would be an issue. You very rarely need to record consistently for longer than a minute or two unless you're filming a wedding or concert, and this is not the camera for that!

I'm ordering 2 tomorrow to cover the lower end of my music video enquires (and as a general shot grabber), probably from Digitalrev. 

 

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The 5 min record limit applies to the Rx100 iv. The RX10 ii has a 29 min record time. 

Yes,  rest of the world has this timings, but in Asia RX10ii also has limit on 4k video recording 5 min.

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I'm ordering 2 tomorrow to cover the lower end of my music video enquires (and as a general shot grabber), probably from Digitalrev. 

 

Do please let us know if you end up with this 4K recording limit or not, if you could.

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Do please let us know if you end up with this 4K recording limit or not, if you could.

I think I need to find out for sure first! Don't want the bollock ache. 

Yes,  rest of the world has this timings, but in Asia RX10ii also has limit on 4k video recording 5 min.

Do you have any other reasons to believe this? (besides the website information, which could be a mistake). 

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I saw some sample pics from the RX10 ii (on http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/sony-rx10-ii-real-world-samples#page=1 ), and I noticed, that it doesn't seem to resolve a lot of detail for a 20MP camera. Also, the low light on it doesn't appear to be very good. I would say that ISO 1600 is probably the maximum that one should push it, and ISO 800 would actually be quite good. I also find that the lens, like that on the LX100, seems better at portraits that at wide shots. In portrait it seems ti resolve a lot more detail.

How can you say that based on photos downscaled to a much lower resolution.  

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Just the usual Copy Pasta from the Social Media imbeciles, wouldn't take it serious :p

Well if it is a mistake I just got the moron fired as I have spread that over about 5 Sony pages as a warning (hoping it alerts someone in the know).

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